Well actually the after credits scene shows a slightly altered windows desktop with 2 human looking shadows talking about the legendary Shepard.iseeyouthere said:
Poll: Why does everyone hate ME3 so badly?
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You're always going to get people hating something that had just high anticipation attached to it. Everyone expects it to be perfect, but perfect in their own image, and when it inevitably doesn't live up to that, cue the childhood temper tantrums. The day one DLC issue is something I agree with, but ME3 is not to blame, EA is. ME3 is simply another casualty of EA's money hogging schemes to screw us all over.
I don't think you're understanding the flame-war correctly.
Mass Effect is by far one of the most emotionally engaging and gripping stories of all time. ME3 is the probably the best in the entire series and is an outstanding game that is hardly surpased by anyother game in its genre... up intil the last 10-15 minutes...
Yeah, just take the last mission (The Return) and its damn near perfect.
Mass Effect is by far one of the most emotionally engaging and gripping stories of all time. ME3 is the probably the best in the entire series and is an outstanding game that is hardly surpased by anyother game in its genre... up intil the last 10-15 minutes...
Yeah, just take the last mission (The Return) and its damn near perfect.
I don't think it could upset me to the point that I'd hate it. Though there is one thing that I have been wanting more explanation and thats the Prothean Sphere you find on Eletania that takes you into the "vision by words".
I heard it was carried over to ME2 and I haven't finish ME3... still it would be nice to see closer to that.
I heard it was carried over to ME2 and I haven't finish ME3... still it would be nice to see closer to that.
Just to be pedantic, the purpose of the mass relays is to provide the high-speed FTL travel needed to travel between star clusters. Most spacefaring races have their own slower (and shorter-range) FTL technology, partly because for many worlds, reaching the nearest mass relay simply isn't feasible without FTL drives of some sort.kingcom said:
After all, even our own mass relay, which is actually within our own solar system, takes about 5 to 6 hours to reach from Earth at lightspeed.
The key thing is that the milky way is a large galaxy - an FTL drive capable of reaching Proxima Centauri, the next closest star after our own sun, in a day would still take nearly 60 years to travel from one side of the galaxy to the other. Standard FTL drives in Mass Effect allow speeds of around 0.5 light years per hour - at which speed, that same trans-galactic trip still takes almost 23 years.
only the ending i was kinda disappointed in, but i still enjoyed the ending i could only think of one ending besides the ones that are in the game
It just came out, thus it's popular. Like Skyrim and others. There are legitimate complaints, don't get me wrong, but I can't help but feel like its mostly that. I plan to play it soon, once I get some extra cash and have the time. Liked the first two. As long as you like it, go for it.
A lot of people seem to think that they disliking something means everyone else should, and its garbage.
In all honesty, we don't get many BAD games anymore. The standards are just far too high.
A lot of people seem to think that they disliking something means everyone else should, and its garbage.
In all honesty, we don't get many BAD games anymore. The standards are just far too high.
Thing is that two groups are bickering over this (the loudest anyway) - the fanboys and the... well 'haters' I suppose you can call them. It makes it hard to gather the valid reasons why a lot seem disappointed by -an aspect- of the game, rather than the whole.
The ending...
It basicly goes against Bioware's usual open-styled "your choice affects the ending" approach. The ending in ME3 seemed more like the sort of thing that happened to Deus Ex: HR.
To elaborate (without spoilers in detail - but it will elaborate on a general level many spoilers in the final battle, so read on at your own risk!):
The choices you have made throughout the journey of ME3, the hours you have invested into the RPG aspect are basicly thrown over the shoulder... it turns into an Action/FPS-styled story once the final battle begins... all aspects of "choices have a consequence" are removed. There is 1 plan, 1 way, and 1 outcome, with no variations at any point during the final battle.
- The forces you have gathered? Their size is meaningless... it doesn't matter if you gathered everyone into a holy unity, or just the minimum requirement - there are no progression of how they are doing during your own struggle either, not a word or a sound.
- The companions you have gotten to know? Besides a 'final talk about everything', nothing happens beyond this point - no closure or elaboration on their fates in the ending... their existence vanishes completely, even though they physically still might be seen.
- Harbinger, although shown and spoken of, does not even have a single piece of dialogue, he is encountered once, but only in an interactive cutscene, unlike the ME1 styled Sovereign encounter or ME2 Human-Reaper. Although it is a minor thing... the build up in ME2, seems neglected. Or at its worst... irrelevant - we might as well just have said "There is this super reaper - he is their leader, he is called Harbinger - beware of him!"... since he adds nothing to the entirety of ME3 in any way.
- The choices in your past? They hold no meaning or alteration towards the ending, whatsoever... from the moment you saw the endings of ME2, there was no more transferable choice to the conclusion of ME3... save perhaps if you allowed Tali and Garrus to live or die, their physical presence, but nothing more.
- And the one that hurts the most... and makes me think of Deus Ex: HR - The '3 buttons' choice. Regardless of your efforts... of what you did right or wrong... It does not matter at all, you are presented with the same 3 choices, regardless of your actions, with no impact or variation from your actions in the past - No paths are open or closed to you, to take or not to take. You click a button, and the ending rolls, with essentially the same ending, but with different moral values/lessons to be learned.
Now... don't get me wrong - for what it is. It is a good lesson to be told, how war has nothing but sacrifice and tragedy. How we have been spoon-fed that lesson during the cause of the entire game as a good theme... but with variations and a lot of choices: I.e: who to support and who not to. "Do I sacrifice these people to save these?" and so on and so forth.
However the final mission presents you with an anti of all the other missions... there is 1 route, 1 course of action... and a lot of "Oh and this happened/has to happen now by the way Shepard"... a lot of plot convenience and deus ex machina being pulled, that was never hinted... noted or even mentioned/speculated about in the universe... it seemed jaringly off for what it was. An ending that could fit in any game... which is why it might be disappointing. It seems too "not Mass Effect" to be Mass Effect, more general mainstream ending. Too linear and detaching - where the rest of the game has empatized on tons of atachment and story... your personal story that you controlled.
An example could be... make the bad/good choice - have the fleet you have gathered take up the fight with the reapers... if you did well/did not do well, in gathering your forces - you would see them slowly win/lose the warfaring, varying depending on your choices. Give us the choice to screw up completely like in ME2... for pete's sake, -Shepard could lose- in ME2, making ME3 never happen - that is freedom of choice in an rpg with an open end. This was not. ME2 left you with a feeling of "the more you invest, the more payoff you get". However ME3 was a huge buildup to an anti-climax... which is unfortunate.
For everything else up until that point... is rather good - really good and touching. But you can't make it so open to people, then just strip it away and ask everyone to just "go with this one way of doing things", don't feed us appertizers that are largely varied and flavored, only to present the main course as 1 dish. A good tasting dish, but one dish for everyone to eat none the less... with no fillings, addings or pasture.
That's how objective and reasoning I can be on this... just finished the game. It just feels... wrong to not say that it feels rushed and breaking apart in the last hour or so. So out of place. So forced... it screws with the RPG aspect sadly, which is not the right step for a franchise that was about the rpg elements.
The ending...
It basicly goes against Bioware's usual open-styled "your choice affects the ending" approach. The ending in ME3 seemed more like the sort of thing that happened to Deus Ex: HR.
To elaborate (without spoilers in detail - but it will elaborate on a general level many spoilers in the final battle, so read on at your own risk!):
The choices you have made throughout the journey of ME3, the hours you have invested into the RPG aspect are basicly thrown over the shoulder... it turns into an Action/FPS-styled story once the final battle begins... all aspects of "choices have a consequence" are removed. There is 1 plan, 1 way, and 1 outcome, with no variations at any point during the final battle.
- The forces you have gathered? Their size is meaningless... it doesn't matter if you gathered everyone into a holy unity, or just the minimum requirement - there are no progression of how they are doing during your own struggle either, not a word or a sound.
- The companions you have gotten to know? Besides a 'final talk about everything', nothing happens beyond this point - no closure or elaboration on their fates in the ending... their existence vanishes completely, even though they physically still might be seen.
- Harbinger, although shown and spoken of, does not even have a single piece of dialogue, he is encountered once, but only in an interactive cutscene, unlike the ME1 styled Sovereign encounter or ME2 Human-Reaper. Although it is a minor thing... the build up in ME2, seems neglected. Or at its worst... irrelevant - we might as well just have said "There is this super reaper - he is their leader, he is called Harbinger - beware of him!"... since he adds nothing to the entirety of ME3 in any way.
- The choices in your past? They hold no meaning or alteration towards the ending, whatsoever... from the moment you saw the endings of ME2, there was no more transferable choice to the conclusion of ME3... save perhaps if you allowed Tali and Garrus to live or die, their physical presence, but nothing more.
- And the one that hurts the most... and makes me think of Deus Ex: HR - The '3 buttons' choice. Regardless of your efforts... of what you did right or wrong... It does not matter at all, you are presented with the same 3 choices, regardless of your actions, with no impact or variation from your actions in the past - No paths are open or closed to you, to take or not to take. You click a button, and the ending rolls, with essentially the same ending, but with different moral values/lessons to be learned.
Now... don't get me wrong - for what it is. It is a good lesson to be told, how war has nothing but sacrifice and tragedy. How we have been spoon-fed that lesson during the cause of the entire game as a good theme... but with variations and a lot of choices: I.e: who to support and who not to. "Do I sacrifice these people to save these?" and so on and so forth.
However the final mission presents you with an anti of all the other missions... there is 1 route, 1 course of action... and a lot of "Oh and this happened/has to happen now by the way Shepard"... a lot of plot convenience and deus ex machina being pulled, that was never hinted... noted or even mentioned/speculated about in the universe... it seemed jaringly off for what it was. An ending that could fit in any game... which is why it might be disappointing. It seems too "not Mass Effect" to be Mass Effect, more general mainstream ending. Too linear and detaching - where the rest of the game has empatized on tons of atachment and story... your personal story that you controlled.
An example could be... make the bad/good choice - have the fleet you have gathered take up the fight with the reapers... if you did well/did not do well, in gathering your forces - you would see them slowly win/lose the warfaring, varying depending on your choices. Give us the choice to screw up completely like in ME2... for pete's sake, -Shepard could lose- in ME2, making ME3 never happen - that is freedom of choice in an rpg with an open end. This was not. ME2 left you with a feeling of "the more you invest, the more payoff you get". However ME3 was a huge buildup to an anti-climax... which is unfortunate.
For everything else up until that point... is rather good - really good and touching. But you can't make it so open to people, then just strip it away and ask everyone to just "go with this one way of doing things", don't feed us appertizers that are largely varied and flavored, only to present the main course as 1 dish. A good tasting dish, but one dish for everyone to eat none the less... with no fillings, addings or pasture.
That's how objective and reasoning I can be on this... just finished the game. It just feels... wrong to not say that it feels rushed and breaking apart in the last hour or so. So out of place. So forced... it screws with the RPG aspect sadly, which is not the right step for a franchise that was about the rpg elements.
The game blackscreens for me every 15 minutes or so (on the 360) so i'm not gonna play it till that is fixed
I hate it because it completely shits on what the previous games tried to build, but every bit of constructive criticism I have gets disregarded as the angry rantings of a blind hater or a fucking homophobe.
I'll admit that the game itself isn't terrible, it's far from unplayable, but it's pretty damn easy to see that the people working on ME3 are not the same people who laid the ground work all the way back in ME1. What exactly was the point of all that background on the different races, all those choices that seemed to shape their futures, when you're just given the same ending regardless of your actions that doesn't give you any closure?
Ever since being bought out by EA Bioware has had an appalling work ethic, and what's worse is all the fans who are letting them get away with it, willingly letting themselves get screwed over out of some blind fanboyism. Newsflash, you can still be a fan while taking a stand.
I'll admit that the game itself isn't terrible, it's far from unplayable, but it's pretty damn easy to see that the people working on ME3 are not the same people who laid the ground work all the way back in ME1. What exactly was the point of all that background on the different races, all those choices that seemed to shape their futures, when you're just given the same ending regardless of your actions that doesn't give you any closure?
Ever since being bought out by EA Bioware has had an appalling work ethic, and what's worse is all the fans who are letting them get away with it, willingly letting themselves get screwed over out of some blind fanboyism. Newsflash, you can still be a fan while taking a stand.
The whole ending thing you said, makes me want to rage, it's as if they said, wrap it up quickly.Nothing Tra La La said:
I don't hate it, I think rage guys make some valid points, like conversations not having enough dialog options as well as some terrible points, the combat is like gears of war.
Should we not play skyrim because it has combat like that iD game from all those years ago (Can't remember the name!)?
It makes me really sad, because I was loving the game, and up to the second to last mission, I was so thrilled! It was fucking awesome! "I actualy thought, stupid escapists, don't know what they talking about!" then... well, that happened.
I do think that topics like these tend to make people mad. Bioware has fucked up recently and I won't be buying or playing products from them in the future for two reasons, A) Dragon Age 2 and B) A mass effect game can't be epic without shepard. As you see, he is the Messiah and the missions are all taken from the bible, what makes everything interesting isn't the plot, but how it's presented. So I don't think bioware can release anything worth my time now.
I find myself unable to like Bioware anymore. They have been assimilated.
ME3 feels more like the logical conclusion to Bioware rather than the ME series.
ME3 feels more like the logical conclusion to Bioware rather than the ME series.
