If that were the case, New Vegas would have been a failure after the mess that was Fallout 3, and Skyrim wouldn't have even existed because of Oblivion.
So my answer is no.
So my answer is no.
Poll: Will Bethesda's next big title suffer in sales because of Skyrim's notorious glitchiness?
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Well, I'm not one to wear a tinfoil hat, but Lee Harvey Oswald was clearly aimbotting.Terminate421 said:
I've experienced gamebreaking glitches in Skyrim a handful of times, each one was just a failure to properly load a new area/autosave freezing.
Minor bugs happen all the time; people's feet sinking a few inches into the floor, dead bodies having epileptic fits in water, but I don't mind them.
One of Bethesda's biggest problems is that the engine they are using (Gamebryo) is quite old now and not fully suited for these types of games, the mounting lag issues as your save gets bigger is one example of a core issue that could potentially be fixed by using a better optimised engine. People were surprised and a little dissapointed when they said they'd be using the same engine for Skyrim (albeit slightly tweaked from the last Fallout game) So they will almost certainly have to invest in a new, faster and tighter engine for their next game, hopefully leading to less bugs.
Until something comparable comes out that can compete with the massive worlds that Bethesda/Oblivion provides, I don't see their sales faltering.
They're one of the very few game companies that make a product worth the $60 price tag. 100+ hours? Yes please!
The bugs exist, but for the vast majority of players they're easily overlooked/dealt with. Hell, anybody who used to play games during the DOS days doesn't even blink an eye at the bugs in Bethesda games. Back then every game you bought involved prayer during the installation process. The occasional CTD is hardly worth getting worked up over.
They're one of the very few game companies that make a product worth the $60 price tag. 100+ hours? Yes please!
The bugs exist, but for the vast majority of players they're easily overlooked/dealt with. Hell, anybody who used to play games during the DOS days doesn't even blink an eye at the bugs in Bethesda games. Back then every game you bought involved prayer during the installation process. The occasional CTD is hardly worth getting worked up over.
my hole one glitch i have had says to me no connor they will be fine when the next great game (hoping for fallout 4) comes out
Probably not. After The offensive one-two punch that was Fallout 3, then Skyrim, I personally won't be buying any Bethesda games again. But They've got a brand loyalty (not that I can understand why) that is smaller but just as fanatic as Blizzard's. Personally, I've had it with buggy POS games that require me to install all kinds of shitware onto my PC to play them (Steam, GFWL) and then take 5 years to have all the bugs fixed. Usually by people who don't even work for Bethesda.
Yeah, I'm a little cranky, I admit. Since I dusted off Skyrim again now that the SCK is out, and actually bothered to update it. MIS-TAKE.
At least Oblivion had the decency to not crap all over my computer.
Screw Bethesda.
Yeah, I'm a little cranky, I admit. Since I dusted off Skyrim again now that the SCK is out, and actually bothered to update it. MIS-TAKE.
At least Oblivion had the decency to not crap all over my computer.
Screw Bethesda.
If anything I plan to buy next title early enough to experience best glitches. To this day i regret not getting to experience orbital launching giants.. that would launch player up off planet after being killed.
If I recall correctly, Arena had to be patched TWICE before it would work at all, Daggerfall had bugs out the ass, don't know about Morrowind, Oblivion was buggy as hell if I recall correctly, and and most of Skyrims bugs have been fixed (read: MOST). And that's just the Elder Scrolls series.
This kinda seems like a thing for them, but since they make great games, I'm not too bothered by it (as evidenced by the 200+ hours I've sunk into Skyrim). Besides, it's Bethesda. The game could make your computer grow a fist and punch you in the mouth and people would still buy it.
This kinda seems like a thing for them, but since they make great games, I'm not too bothered by it (as evidenced by the 200+ hours I've sunk into Skyrim). Besides, it's Bethesda. The game could make your computer grow a fist and punch you in the mouth and people would still buy it.
I voted for "Can't speak for other but I won't be getting the next game".
The bugginess plays a large part but not the whole of why I won't make another Bethesda purchase.
1) Foolish I know but I had hoped after using the engine multiple times, they would have got better, but no many of the bugs they've been fixing for 3 months and some still yet to fix are bugs that have been present in every game of that engine, well know issues now, and have been fixed before in each previous title. It's like they release a game and reset to default standards, an earlier date.
2) Thier PR handling on the whole thing, frankly they where out right insulting and demeaning at times when issues where raised. Maybe they were frustrated but this went beyond the volenteers of the forums and included the paid staff.
3) The Glitches are one thing lowering the "fun" of the game but even without the total of all it's parts actually comes to less. Each feature is so empty, devoid of value and interacts poorly with other parts of the game they just detract from the whole experience.
4) 15 minutes of opening are filled with numberous flaws, for a game that boasts immersion they couldn't get the "acting" timed right, have characters not vanish when passing though doors, have corpses not move or even not drop any of the stories points of interest raised (lokir has no home or history, Ralof isn't as interested in Mead with Juniper berries as he claims etc). It's just bad form and an excellent marker of where they set the bar from the start.
5) Let's face it, it's the same game again but with worse features. I could have got mods for oblivion for free with more interesting stories, gameplay and more stable with much more change. Any new feature added (marriage, on going quests etc.) already exist as mods with better depth.
Frankly I'm still completely lost over why it's praised so highly, even for things most other games are ripped to shreds for having. That is when issues aren't completely ignored.."Just RP it"..bleh. End of the day that's just me, I no longer feel they are a company worth following, I think these things are bad choices and sloppy design (possibly resulting from a team with severe ADHD). Sure they are not Peter M. and Fable but they have crossed the line that is all too close for me, although in one aspect I consider fable better, some of the features in it are much more full and entertaining (relationships and generic randomized npcs having more life then Beth's set ones to name a couple).
The bugginess plays a large part but not the whole of why I won't make another Bethesda purchase.
1) Foolish I know but I had hoped after using the engine multiple times, they would have got better, but no many of the bugs they've been fixing for 3 months and some still yet to fix are bugs that have been present in every game of that engine, well know issues now, and have been fixed before in each previous title. It's like they release a game and reset to default standards, an earlier date.
2) Thier PR handling on the whole thing, frankly they where out right insulting and demeaning at times when issues where raised. Maybe they were frustrated but this went beyond the volenteers of the forums and included the paid staff.
3) The Glitches are one thing lowering the "fun" of the game but even without the total of all it's parts actually comes to less. Each feature is so empty, devoid of value and interacts poorly with other parts of the game they just detract from the whole experience.
4) 15 minutes of opening are filled with numberous flaws, for a game that boasts immersion they couldn't get the "acting" timed right, have characters not vanish when passing though doors, have corpses not move or even not drop any of the stories points of interest raised (lokir has no home or history, Ralof isn't as interested in Mead with Juniper berries as he claims etc). It's just bad form and an excellent marker of where they set the bar from the start.
5) Let's face it, it's the same game again but with worse features. I could have got mods for oblivion for free with more interesting stories, gameplay and more stable with much more change. Any new feature added (marriage, on going quests etc.) already exist as mods with better depth.
Frankly I'm still completely lost over why it's praised so highly, even for things most other games are ripped to shreds for having. That is when issues aren't completely ignored.."Just RP it"..bleh. End of the day that's just me, I no longer feel they are a company worth following, I think these things are bad choices and sloppy design (possibly resulting from a team with severe ADHD). Sure they are not Peter M. and Fable but they have crossed the line that is all too close for me, although in one aspect I consider fable better, some of the features in it are much more full and entertaining (relationships and generic randomized npcs having more life then Beth's set ones to name a couple).
i had no problems at all except for a missing face once in a while, and that was on multiple playthroughs with 150+ hours of playing..... i like skyrim.GonzoGamer said:
Yeah, only time I ever have trouble with a Bethesda games is when I screwed up my mod load order, or wrote a script wrong or something like that. Vanilla is always fine for me, and it makes me wonder if there isn't something of a crowd mentality for bashing Bethesda games for being glitchy.DustyDrB said:
To those who say Bethesda is a bad developer because of the glitches they run into: this isn't an ordinary game where it is a very defined experience for every players. There are literally billions of variables, and it is impossible to catch them all with QA. Even if they had 500 people testing it for a year, there would still be glitches.
You act like Skyrim is the first Bethesda title that has been glitchy. Glitchiness is their fucking reputation, anyone who wouldn't buy a game of theirs because of that has already stopped buying their games.
I'm confused.
Morrowind I don't recall, but Oblivion had a huecuva lot more bugs than Skyrim on release. Yeah, there was the PS3 issue, but that seems to have clouded a lot of gamers' minds and blown Skyrim's "bugginess" far out of proportion. When I think of Skyrim I think "not actually all that buggy" - about the same level as, say, Red Dead Redemption.
So why all the fuss and moaning?
Morrowind I don't recall, but Oblivion had a huecuva lot more bugs than Skyrim on release. Yeah, there was the PS3 issue, but that seems to have clouded a lot of gamers' minds and blown Skyrim's "bugginess" far out of proportion. When I think of Skyrim I think "not actually all that buggy" - about the same level as, say, Red Dead Redemption.
So why all the fuss and moaning?
What the hell is everyone complaining about with Skyrims "glitches"?? I played it with no problem at all. The only bug that affected me was I sometimes couldnt leave a conversation...sometimes, that's it.
All Bethesda games have a few bugs, it comes with making such massive titles. Nobody cares because they know Bethesda can deliver.
All Bethesda games have a few bugs, it comes with making such massive titles. Nobody cares because they know Bethesda can deliver.
It wasn't as bad as New Vegas or Fallout 3, in my experience. So yeah, I'm buying the shit out of the next one on launch day.
Maybe I haven't played too much or I'm simply lucky, but I haven't encountered any signifficant bugs yet. Maybe it's because I'm way too tolerant, or because of the platform too, I don't know, New Vegas suffered a lot and I know it first hand, but it was (mostly) ammended.
I still enjoy Bethesda's games, despite their buginess and they are definitively some of the best games this generation has to offer and some of the best I've ever played. Yeah, I've already pre-ordered their next game.
I still enjoy Bethesda's games, despite their buginess and they are definitively some of the best games this generation has to offer and some of the best I've ever played. Yeah, I've already pre-ordered their next game.
This. I got Oblivion, and that had some pretty bad bugs. That hasn't hurt Skyrim's sales at all.MeChaNiZ3D said:
But Morrowind...That's a whole different story. That's probably the most buggy game I've ever played. Didn't damage Oblivion's sales in the slightest.
I think part of it is because it takes Bethesda several years to come out with their next title. The dust settles, people forget how buggy the last game was because they've been playing with three years worth of patches. Then also, part is because it's worth it. There are very few games that I have found anywhere near as fun as Oblivion, and none I've found that can touch Morrowind-that's just my opinion, but it's not one I'm alone in either.