I wouldn't vote in a REPUBLICAN. Dont' give a damn about their religious affiliation though maybe a PUBLICLY atheist one would do good for the party as a whole.
Here here! How anyone can call themselves a first world country without everyone getting healthcare without needing private insurance is beyond me.Azrael the Cat said:Your country is falling apart because you guys won't pay enough tax to support a first world nation, and you want even SMALLER government? Just think how it looks to us in Australia - we take for absolute granted that every single person in the country is insured by Medicare for all procedures except purely cosmetic surgery (nose-jobs and facelifts require private insurance, though things like lap-band surgery are covered by the government if there's a serious health issue involved), not to mention public funding of tertiary education, training etc, and our national debt is only 3% of GDP (yours is around 68%). The fact that you guys can't afford what we take as the basic minimums of civilised existence is astounding, and every time I hear you say 'we can't afford universal healthcare' it just sounds to me like 'the US is a nation of freaken' morons who can't even manage the basics of nationhood'.
We just got through Reagan in AP U.S. History and I'm still very confused over where he was going with "Reaganomics."Jabberwock King said:Fuck no. Keynesian Economics FTW! Reaganomics is shit, and if you disagree with me... I'll explain why.
Or, like every other reasonable country, you just put the taxes up a reasonable amount. People don't want to lose services? Then they have to pay for them.coolkirb said:A lot of talk about balancing the budget but its hard to make cuts when the majority of the money goes into medicare, education and military, if you dont want to cut those you can make a significant impact on the debt.
Austrian economics, Now I leave the room while you exploit the financial system to exploit your workers.Jabberwock King said:Fuck no. Keynesian Economics FTW! Reaganomics is shit, and if you disagree with me... I'll explain why.
agreed!Azrael the Cat said:Your country is falling apart because you guys won't pay enough tax to support a first world nation, and you want even SMALLER government? Just think how it looks to us in Australia - we take for absolute granted that every single person in the country is insured by Medicare for all procedures except purely cosmetic surgery (nose-jobs and facelifts require private insurance, though things like lap-band surgery are covered by the government if there's a serious health issue involved), not to mention public funding of tertiary education, training etc, and our national debt is only 3% of GDP (yours is around 68%). The fact that you guys can't afford what we take as the basic minimums of civilised existence is astounding, and every time I hear you say 'we can't afford universal healthcare' it just sounds to me like 'the US is a nation of freaken' morons who can't even manage the basics of nationhood'.
I thought I smelled an Objectivist, then you mentioned Superman.SaneAmongInsane said:That was an atheist? He shares the same views as most of the Republican party except for the ones backed by theology. Not necessarily pro-gay marriage, more apathetic to it then anything else.
And for the sake of keeping the argument legitimate, this candidate is crazy rich so he can afford to run with out the help of lobbyists funding. Also he publicly states that while he lacks a "christian" moral compass he lives by a code of What Would Superman Do? ("You believe in your fictional character, I'll believe in mine" he defends)
The person running against him on the democratic ticket is Obama.
This is probably a poor discussion topic, I was just thinking to myself that though I agree with the republican party on some very major fundamental things (Small government) their extreme non-secular opinions on things like Gay marriage is something I can't compromise on (as well as certain social changes I agree with)
I'm glad you don't vote if you don't care. All of the people who are disaffected and cynical about the electoral process and American politics in general: if you're a friend and I think I can persuade you otherwise, I will. If not, I don't want you voting (I do not mean this as an insult). So don't let anyone give you shit over it.emeraldrafael said:I remember (well, I dont, I wasnt born yet, but my grandfather talks about it all the time), when Kennedy was elected and he was and Irish Catholic in the 1950-1960s. And that was considered the worst thing possible.
So honestly this wouldnt bother me. As long as they werent like Obama or Bush. Besides, I doubt I would vote (or if I did, really cared. I know, I should, and Americans dont appreciate it and all that, but i just dont see the huge deal, considering that the guy usually screws you over in the end).
Also, I dont think Obama will run next election. I know he said he will, but I doubt he'll be hte Democrats man.
Now if it were Hillary on the ballot, then I would vote fo her, just to get bill back in, cause he kept the US in good economic times.