portal 2 trolls

[Legion]

So if I bought a car, paid £5000 for it. Then after I bought it got told I could upgrade my car to have rear parking sensors, I am being ripped off as they should have been included in the car to start with? After all, I expect a complete car when I put down my hard earned cash don't I?

What an utterly terrible analogy.

Same logic used.

I paid for a product.
I then get told I can put down more money for some extras.
I feel that those extras should have been included in the first place.

If anything, the complaint I used is more valid, because the extras I referred to actually have a use, where the ones you are bitching about do not.

Explain what's wrong with the analogy, or with every single other person who disagrees with you (basically everyone) or don't waste your time replying, because at the moment, you are just spamming.

 

[Bill Bread]

And all of that affects the game how, exactly?

what the shit are you talking about.

 

[JeanLuc761]

So if I bought a car, paid £5000 for it. Then after I bought it got told I could upgrade my car to have rear parking sensors, I am being ripped off as they should have been included in the car to start with? After all, I expect a complete car when I put down my hard earned cash don't I?

What an utterly terrible analogy.

I'd say it's perfect, actually. There might be a staggering amount of Day-1 DLC here, but it is 100% optional. Taking Legion's analogy, there's a staggering amount of accessories I can put on my car, but it's all 100% optional.

There is no legitimate reason I can think of to get angry at Valve for including completely optional and fully cosmetic Day 1 DLC. Don't want it? Don't buy it. It's as simple as that.

Now let's say that Valve were charging money to finish the story; THAT'S a legitimate reason to complain. As-is, Portal 2 is a complete game with optional content.

 

[Bill Bread]

You're right, it was a terrible analogy. The rear parking sensors actually change the way your car works in some small way. It's more like paying $5000 for a car and then complaining about not getting some wicked awesome flame stickers to put on the side. Derp.

If you'd paid for a good paint job and then you didn't get one, then yeah, that's a reasonably good analogy.

 

[EllEzDee]

Reading this lost me a number of IQ points. Thanks!

Also, if you haven't played the game, who are you to judge the game's length?

 

[Bill Bread]

You're right, it was a terrible analogy. The rear parking sensors actually change the way your car works in some small way. It's more like paying $5000 for a car and then complaining about not getting some wicked awesome flame stickers to put on the side. Derp.

If you'd paid for a good paint job and then you didn't get one, then yeah, that's a reasonably good analogy.

There might be a staggering amount of Day-1 DLC here, but it is 100% optional. Taking Legion's analogy, there's a staggering amount of accessories I can put on my car, but it's all 100% optional.

'Optional' in this case meaning 'I didn't get it, despite paying the full price for a game'.
Give me a good reason for you to not have been given that stuff from the get go, or for it to be unlocked purely through gameplay.

 

[Bill Bread]

Well you have to offset the 10/10 fanboy reviews somehow, don't pretend you don't know how metacritic works.

 

[Dr_Steve_Brule]

And all of that affects the game how, exactly?

what the shit are you talking about.

The little "hats" don't affect the game. The gestures don't affect your gaming experience. Therefore, you can just not buy them altogether and still have a great time.
Heres the deal-even if these items were not in the game, your gameplay and your gaming experience would have remained the same. But suddenly, when they are in your grasp (even though you don't need them, anyway) you somehow get pissed and sore?

 

[Onyx Oblivion]

Portal 2, on the other hand, suffers from none of these problems. People giving it a 0/10 review because they didn't get some fucking stickers to put on their robot is ridiculous.

It's ridiculous, but still an ill omen for a developer previously assumed to be above these things. But that's no excuse for these reviews, I'll admit.

Then again, the DA2 negative review backlash wasn't this bad, really. Portal is higher profile, I suppose.

And the game could only be beaten that fast with a strategy guide. Or by someone who managed to grasp the mechanics of the new items terribly fast.

 

[Bill Bread]

So, if Bungie were to withold the armour customisation and charge you £28 to be able to customise your appearance in Halo Reach you people wouldn't be irate?
Well, I'm hardly surprised at this point.

 

[Dr_Steve_Brule]

Some people need to develop a backbone. Calling people trolls because they don't like a game you happen to like is weak.

Here is a pro tip for you... If you think someones a troll..... DON'T FEED THEM!!

Some people just don't like this Valve game.

Bullshit, 7 out of every 10 reviews I have seen on metacritic were about this "Day 1 DLC" (even though technically, this is not DLC).

 

[Atmos Duality]

Sounds like another case of misplaced expectations.
I haven't been paying attention to any of the Portal 2 promos and such, simply because such things will quickly be forgotten in a few fleeting weeks.

All of the bitching and trolling will end in a couple of weeks, and we'll go right back to the Status Quo.

 

[Legion]

Funny how people substitute 'troll' for 'someone who doesn't think what I think'.

Except they are trolls, because as the OP demonstrated, they aren't using facts in their reviews of the game. A good portion of them probably haven't even played it.

A large majority of Escapist posters and arguments against JRPGs lack facts, but I didn't hear anyone calling them trolls.

There truly is a double standard on the Escapist when it comes to Valve and Bioware, as is clearly evident when they get bad-mouthed.

Hell, I was so happy to hear legitimate DA2 complaints. It meant the Escapist was growing out of it's "mindless fanboy" phase. Now that Valve is under attack, it seems it's sinking back.

If Valve had deliberately held back the ending of Portal 2 for some DLC then you can guarantee that even the most rabid fanboy would be calling Valve out on it, but this DLC, while a rather poor attempt to cash in, is not ripping people off in any way as it is entirely cosmetic.

Dead Space 2 had cosmetic DLC on day one as well, but nobody seemed to care about that, are those people complaining about Valves not committing a double standard for not also complaining about that?

So, if Bungie were to withold the armour customisation and charge you £28 to be able to customise your appearance in Halo Reach you people wouldn't be irate?
Well, I'm hardly surprised at this point.

It would be a little bit pathetic, but it's hardly an important feature in a first person shooter, but nobody is denying that Valve are trying to grab money, they are just pointing out that they are not doing anything unreasonable in doing so.

 

[Ilikemilkshake]

I think it is from the Co-op market, basically hats, gestures, skins to use in Co-op. You buy the Portal box, use it - get items.

Honestly, it really isn't DLC, if is only aesthetic, not actual gameplay :/

They have a little shop for co-op skins/flags/gestures that you can buy (ala TF2). Except it's all 100% cosmetic...no items that affect gameplay or content in any way.

It's the little "robot enrichment" button in the bottom left of your screen on the main menu.

ah okay, i thought i'd missed something important, its about as stupid as the TF2 hats, but if people feel like they've got too much money and want to throw it away on pixel hats then fair nuff, its not like L.A. Noire where you're missing out on some (all be it rather tiny) gameplay content.

 

[JeanLuc761]

So, if Bungie were to withold the armour customisation and charge you £28 to be able to customise your appearance in Halo Reach you people wouldn't be irate?
Well, I'm hardly surprised at this point.

I'm not sure that analogy really works. Charging for armor customization in Halo: Reach would be charging for a feature that was standard in the previous titles and would therefore be completely wrong.

What Valve has done is ADDED a feature and have decided to charge for it. Character customization and gestures was not advertised in the marketing for the game; nobody is getting ripped off here because nobody went into the game EXPECTING to be able to do that stuff.

 

[Bill Bread]

is not ripping people off in any way as it is entirely cosmetic.

You think charging someone up to 10% of the price of the full game for a single 'shop item' isn't a rip off? Forget whether it's voluntary or not, that isn't what defines if something's a shitty deal or not.

 

[Bill Bread]

I'm not sure that analogy really works. Charging for armor customization in Halo: Reach would be charging for a feature that was standard in the previous titles and would therefore be completely wrong.

What Valve has done is ADDED a feature and have decided to charge for it. Character customization and gestures was not advertised in the marketing for the game; nobody is getting ripped off here because nobody went into the game EXPECTING to be able to do that stuff.

Nope, still stands. The previous Valve titles had a hat store. And the 'hat store' was advertised beforehand, to my knowledge.

 

[Onyx Oblivion]

Dead Space 2 had cosmetic DLC on day one as well, but nobody seemed to care about that, are those people complaining about Valves not committing a double standard for not also complaining about that?

They had complained about it. They complained it about to death.

It's the whole EA argument that Dragon Age started and finally had calmed down months ago.

 

[JeanLuc761]

I'm not sure that analogy really works. Charging for armor customization in Halo: Reach would be charging for a feature that was standard in the previous titles and would therefore be completely wrong.

What Valve has done is ADDED a feature and have decided to charge for it. Character customization and gestures was not advertised in the marketing for the game; nobody is getting ripped off here because nobody went into the game EXPECTING to be able to do that stuff.

Nope, still stands. The previous Valve titles had a hat store. And the 'hat store' was advertised beforehand, to my knowledge.

To my knowledge, there has only been one game in the history of Valve with a "hat store" and that's Team Fortress 2. And TF2 certainly wasn't marketed with the hat store as it was added several YEARS after the game was released.

 

[Defense]

I don't know what to believe. Portal 2 looks like it changed barely anything from the original Portal, so the only legitimate complaint I can think of is that it's too similar.

Maybe.

Funny how people substitute 'troll' for 'someone who doesn't think what I think'.

Except they are trolls, because as the OP demonstrated, they aren't using facts in their reviews of the game. A good portion of them probably haven't even played it.

A large majority of Escapist posters and arguments against JRPGs lack facts, but I didn't hear anyone calling them trolls.

There truly is a double standard on the Escapist when it comes to Valve and Bioware, as is clearly evident when they get bad-mouthed.

Hell, I was so happy to hear legitimate DA2 complaints. It meant the Escapist was growing out of it's "mindless fanboy" phase. Now that Valve is under attack, it seems it's sinking back.

jrpgs aer gay cuz they dont got space marines loooool

I wholeheartedly agree though. I've been playing Mass Effect 2 and it doesn't seem like a GOTY at all. Yeah, it's decent and it has polish, but it is thoroughly underwhelming. It feels almost exactly like Valve and Portal.