Pratchett Attacks Doctor Who

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Me55enger

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Pratchett wins this round.

If anyone has has earn't the right to criticize the content of this genre, it's him.

But I adore his work and I enjoy Dr. Who.

Same genre, different Target Audiences.

Hang in there Pratchett
 

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Totally agree with Pratchett to be honest. But I'm a fan of pretty heavy Scifi books, where everything has either a basis in science fact, or at least set limitations. Dr Who just does whatever it wants, thinks of plot device first and science afterwards.

Pratchett's discworld for all the madness, has method. Everything is explained pretty indepth as to how it works, even the magic, he doesnt just pull stuff out the bag just so he can poke the story the way he wants it, he has the science/magic, and uses it with the story.
 

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I've got to admit, Pratchett has a few decent points. Solving something in a quick and easy way so it fits into the time slot on the BBC feels like a teensy bit of a cop out. RTD did try and slide us some rather thin feeling solutions, but also some decent jokes and dialogue. The deus ex machina got a little out of hand as time went on sadly, and I was never as hooked as I used to be. Without sounding like a parrot repeating other posters, Blink was a wonderfully thrilling episode with good solutions. Wait, that was Moffat too...
Though if the Doctor can summon the TARDIS, why didn't he during that episode? Meh, nevermind. I'm happy taking it as brainless fun.
I have great respect for Pratchett, and think that he's just made a minor point about a TV show that's gotten blow out of proportion.
He's also quite right in saying that the show is more entertaining if you don't examine it too closely.
 

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look I'm not going to argue with pratchett (manly because he's right) but like he said its still fun to watch so yeah live and let live
 

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jasoncyrus said:
Ok I just lost a lot of respect for pratchett if this article is true.

Simply because his writing is complete make it up as you go along ballocks aswell (admittedly amazing ballocks to which i worship and own every book of but still ballocks in the made up sense).

Example: 7th son of a 7th son become a wizard, someone able to manipulate the magic around them, yet somehow the 7th son of a 7th son of a 7th son becomes a source of magic just in one sentence. And somehow a swamp dragon which normally breathes fire from its mouth and nostrils can rearrange its entire digestive system to fire backwards and fly fast enough to knock a full grown regular dragon out of the sky just by the force of it flying past. Where normally if you even kick a swamp dragon it explodes. Such forces of flight would make the first swamp dragon explode within the first second. Also golems, they gain life by having a piece of magic paper stuck in their head, no special clay just a piece of paper with magic words written on it. And somehow writing regular words on it can make them self possessing.

Sorry pratchet but Ballocks to you bashing on Dr Who. They can at least give complex explainations to thigns happening rather than just "Magic". While awesome, its a pretty shitty plot excuse.
what he is saying is it is ok to make shit up as long as you back it up with a bit of back story or maybe mention it at the beginning of the episode or something like that
 

persona J

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er how about because im right the FACT is he is wrong, u cant apply real world law into fiction thats the whole point.
 

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Nivag the Owl said:
Didn't Terry Pratchett like, die? Or did he just get some serious condition.
Yes, that's what I thought too. I even mourned for a while... Apparently, criticizing dr. Who was more important than Death.
 

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Oh thank fuck for that, was starting to think I was the only person left in the world who believed that Dr Who is mildly entertaining garbage.

Dr Who could be something special, but instead it seems to be content with wallowing in mediocrity, replaying the same tired plots over and over.

TooMiserableToLive said:
Nivag the Owl said:
Didn't Terry Pratchett like, die? Or did he just get some serious condition.
Yes, that's what I thought too. I even mourned for a while... Apparently, criticizing dr. Who was more important than Death.
He has alzheimer's.
 

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yourbeliefs said:
How can you complain about something being "too fiction" in Science Fiction? Also, I thought Dr. Who was classified as Sci-fi/Fantasy. Is he saying that the old Dr. Who was okay while the new series is wrong?
I guess he thinks of the "Science" in the definition Science Fiction. ^.^
 

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"Doctor Who replaces this with speed, fast talking, and what appears to be that wonderful element 'makeitupasyougalongeum'. I don't know about you, but I don't think I would dare try to jump-start a spaceship that looks like the Titanic by diving it into the atmosphere."
Well, maybe that's why he's not the Doctor. XP

I know where he's coming from tho. I watch it with my girlfriend each sunday and I do get the occasional feeling that the writers are just fucking around with sci-fi, but hey, that's what the show is these days, a hilarious piss-take of sci-fi in general, wrapped up in a blanket of warm, gooey narrative and that's what I watch it for. It's not afraid to take the piss out of itself.
 

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Coming from a man who pulls (Some really brilliant) bullshit out of his ass for his writing...

He's not even a science fiction writer (correct me if I'm wrong) what would have been interesting would have been hearing from Douglas Adams on this, especially since he wrote for the old show a few times.

yourbeliefs said:
How can you complain about something being "too fiction" in Science Fiction? Also, I thought Dr. Who was classified as Sci-fi/Fantasy. Is he saying that the old Dr. Who was okay while the new series is wrong?
Did you say Scifi-fantasy!? I'm sorry, but it's science fiction. Sometimes having a fantasy setting does not turn something into a hybrid genre.

Star Wars is scifi-fantasy.
 

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Someone takes Doctor Who waaaaaay too seriously. The show is definitely NOT trying to be hard Sci-FI in any way. The shows geared towards kids for god's sake. It's not meant to be grounded in realism like HG Wells type stuff is.
 
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chozo_hybrid said:
He's not even a science fiction writer (correct me if I'm wrong)
You're wrong I'm afraid. He did quite a few Sci-Fi as well. Only You Can Save Mankind & Strata for instance.

Given what he's said is about the horrid examples in RTD's episode, I think he's quite justified.

Zig13 said:
I completely agree, Steven Moffatt relies too heavily on deus ex machina for cliff-hangers.
Do you know what a DEM is? And can you justify your point?
Cliffhangers are hardly necessary anyway - people should watch the second half of a two parter for the entertainment value rather than to find out what happens next
Actually, don't bother.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
chozo_hybrid said:
He's not even a science fiction writer (correct me if I'm wrong)
You're wrong I'm afraid. He did quite a few Sci-Fi as well. Only You Can Save Mankind & Strata for instance.

Given what he's said is about the horrid examples in RTD's episode, I think he's quite justified.
Fair enough, thanks for pointing that out ^_^

I do admit the series has it's issues, but it's not as bad as he makes it out to be most of the time.

Although I do prefer the old school stuff, the new stuff is entertaining.

Bigeyez said:
Someone takes Doctor Who waaaaaay too seriously. The show is definitely NOT trying to be hard Sci-FI in any way. The shows geared towards kids for god's sake. It's not meant to be grounded in realism like HG Wells type stuff is.
The show is not geared toward children, it's made more for all ages. Have you seen the older stuff? A lot of kids would have trouble following those episodes.
 

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ChrisW212 said:
It's not a documentary Mr Pratchett, it's meant for entertainment.
Well, yeah, and he thinks it's more entertaining if there's a consistent and well-thought-out magical system.

That doesn't make him right or wrong, but it validates his grievance.

@Rainheart: Well, I mean, come on. This is just some guy saying why he doesn't like a show. If he wasn't Terry Pratchett, nobody would pay much attention.
 

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Dr Who is the epitome of soft science fiction. I mean the Weeping Angels are a great villain, and they try to explain it with some crap about quantum states. Like Yahtzee says its science so soft you could spread it on a croissant. I still love it though.
 

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Sylocat said:
The solution is obvious: Terry Pratchett should write an episode for the new series, and show us all how it's done.
This. I watched The Pirate Planet a while back, which was written by Douglas Adams, and that was pretty brilliant. So, if he thinks the solutions are too implausible, he should write better ones! Problem solved, and I can have time to catch up on all his novels before he writes a new one.
 

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Blimey said:
Is he fucking serious?

He makes his living writing fantasy novels, with clairvoyants, magic, and all that shit.

And yet he calls out Doctor Who?

What a lunatic.
Yet, in the end, just about everything in Discworld somehow makes sense within context. And he resorts to fewer narrative cop-outs. Give the man some credit.
 

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Quaidis said:
Pratchet needs a hobby. Like collecting buttons. Give him something better to do than look for faults in a random television program.
Well, on weekends he writes astonishingly popular books.