Prolific "video games make you bad" researcher exposed as planning to refuse to publish his work if it doesn't show video game make you bad + mor

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Oh congratulations, you read someone's blog post. Clearly the most authoritative source of scientific criticism. No doubt the points the dude got wrong in his blog post were explained through some neuroscientific Centre of Excellence like Reddit or 4Chan.
yet that's what most of the criticism I've seen presented has been...................
 

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I actually lol'd at this bit. You have to be a bit more more subtle.
Why when it's reality?



But... literally every piece of evidence you've presented so far is just about differences existing, which nobody disputes. For the umpteenth time: big differences in sexual morphology does not mean the sexes are strictly and exclusively binary.
Ok define the other sexes then

Look at it this way: there are big differences between Iron and Carbon. Huge differences, all the researchers point to how massive the differences are! Well, sure, yes. But... stuff exists that isn't either iron or carbon. And some stuff is an alloy of iron and carbon, making a distinct substance: steel. And then you even have forms of carbon that more resemble iron than they do other forms of carbon.

Differences =/= a strict binary.
If you're going to make that kind of example you'd have bee better picking Metals and Non metals.

But to take your examples, the things that aren't Carbon or Iron can be defined with set parameters and qualities.

I watched this one, which was the earliest I was aware of from 2011. Is that quote from another one?
The quote is from her video game series. So it would be Damsel's in Distress part 1


There's some argument against the idea that there are large neuro-biological differences, mostly because the differences that have been observed in brain structure & chemistry tend to be rather small, and because those observable differences actually haven't been attributed directly to differences between the sexes.
yet small differences can make a big change.

Researchers are able, in aggregate, to look at a large number of brain-scans and identify certain features of morphology that are more common in the brains of males, and other features that are more common in the brains of females. In aggregate. But there's a large amount of overlap, and if you show the same researcher a single brain-scan without telling them if it's a male brain or a female brain, they won't be able to tell you with certainty whether it's one or the other.

This kind of research has limitations you're not appreciating.
Except again Dr Verma's wasn't the standard matter composition size testing. There's a reason she had to collect her own data to be able to apply the techniques she developed / helped develop to analyse the connections between areas of the brain not merely the size of areas.




So... nowhere does she call for the "abolishing" of gender-separated sports, that was another enormous exaggeration.

A bit like if I were to say I'd like to see more mages in D&D, you might interpret that as me advocating all melee fighter classes be banned.
Oh sure her wanting a future of Gender integrated sports totally isn't just her saying she wants to abolish gender divides in sport especially when she talks about it being some future idea ./s
 

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Oh sure her wanting a future of Gender integrated sports totally isn't just her saying she wants to abolish gender divides in sport especially when she talks about it being some future idea ./s
You really have absolutely zero grasp of nuance, don't you? Like the very suggestion that everything in the world isn't some binary, black and white, polar opposite choice seems unfathomable to you.
 

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You really have absolutely zero grasp of nuance, don't you? Like the very suggestion that everything in the world isn't some binary, black and white, polar opposite choice seems unfathomable to you.
yes because clearly Anita "Liana K supports sexism and is part of the problem in the games industry" Sarkeesian is such a nuanced person. You know like how she also doesn't see the fact a lot more games have the option of different gendered protagonists is progress because it's still not women only. The person who objected to Lego making a line designed to appeal more to girls when their non gender specific blocks were mostly attracting a male audience. Anita Sarkeesian who couldn't understand why there were porn ads on pirating websites. Anita Sarkeesian who things all Geeks are just like the Big Bang Theory guys.


Yeh cause I totally expect nuance and not Weasel Words so her ardent defenders can claim she totally meant something else.
 

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That set of tweets you used as evidence of your assertions really sums up this entire discussion. In that they dont say that at all, and you're jumping at boogeymen and self fabricated arguments.
 

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That set of tweets you used as evidence of your assertions really sums up this entire discussion. In that they dont say that at all, and you're jumping at boogeymen and self fabricated arguments.
And yet weren't you rather upset the other day about what I'd not even said even in different words?

Anita's future is one where all sports of gender integrated. Not Gender segregated. Thus yes she would be removing gender barriers in sport.
 

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Anita's future is one where inclusion is celebrated and people can play as girls in their sports videogames.

Girls can already play sports in real life, with mixed, amateur and professional leagues to suit various interest and skill sets.

Sports VIDEOGAMES however, often completely leave out women players, and she's celebrating the ones which are bridging that gap.

You're a clown.
 

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Anita's future is one where inclusion is celebrated and people can play as girls in their sports videogames.

Girls can already play sports in real life, with mixed, amateur and professional leagues to suit various interest and skill sets.

Sports VIDEOGAMES however, often completely leave out women players, and she's celebrating the ones which are bridging that gap.

You're a clown.
Except she doesn't say video games specifically she presents it as sport in general being non-gendered in the future.
 

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No. She celebrates the games decision then says hey, maybe we can have mixed leagues in the future, both in game and in life. This is not a call to abolish all gendered leagues.

It's like saying she asked for fries, so her goal is to ban all hashbrowns.

But then, misrepresenting your opponents is kinda your thing, so that's a factor.
 

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No. She celebrates the games decision then says hey, maybe we can have mixed leagues in the future, both in game and in life. This is not a call to abolish all gendered leagues.

It's like saying she asked for fries, so her goal is to ban all hashbrowns.

But then, misrepresenting your opponents is kinda your thing, so that's a factor.
except again she literally says

help us imagine that possibility in future real-world sporting events.
(Emphasis = mine)
I mean you're all for specific wording being used and look she specifically said in one of the tweets real world not video game only.

So no, she very much is for non gendered sports in the real world. It seems you misread her tweets when you claimed it was only in relation to video games, or you were deliberately gaslighting there.
 

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No. She celebrates the games decision then says hey, maybe we can have mixed leagues in the future, both in game and in life. This is not a call to abolish all gendered leagues.

It's like saying she asked for fries, so her goal is to ban all hashbrowns.

But then, misrepresenting your opponents is kinda your thing, so that's a factor.
This is the part where I repeat my query about whether you do this on purpose or just cant fucking read.
 

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This is the part where I repeat my query about whether you do this on purpose or just cant fucking read.
and this is where I bring up your little hissy fit yeaturday in a thread where you were mad at something no-one even said lol
 

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You did say it. You misrepresented an article from another site, then provided an anecdote about the last time a woman "did this".

But I'm pretty sure continuing a discussion from a locked thread is a no no, so fucking drop it. Or don't. Please, don't.
 

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Sort of like what you do?
nah. Nice to see you pop up when you think there's a chance to add a boot though. Not you know when asked about your previous statements in this thread or anything and called out of seemingly deliberately trying to sew bias
 

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You did say it. You misrepresented an article from another site, then provided an anecdote about the last time a woman "did this".
No I didn't actually mention the gender of the author. You got real upset about it and felt the need to bring it up though.

But I'm pretty sure continuing a discussion from a locked thread is a no no, so fucking drop it. Or don't. Please, don't.
Well considering you're carrying on the same way with the same tactics here excuse me if I call you out for it.

But hey it couldn't possibly be an indication of a deeper need to rush to protect a damsel in distress as you seem to be doing here to. Especially one you perceive as "On your side".
 

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Again, reading comprehension. I have repeatedly said I don't care for her work, I even said she lacks the charisma required for a video essay format.

Just because people are prepared to say "Hey buddy, that's bullshit" doesn't make them some hive mind conspiring against you and locked arm in arm.
 

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Again, reading comprehension. I have repeatedly said I don't care for her work, I even said she lacks the charisma required for a video essay format.

Just because people are prepared to say "Hey buddy, that's bullshit" doesn't make them some hive mind conspiring against you and locked arm in arm.
yeh no. Funny how your issue with her is she's not charismatic enough. Not the litany of other faults in her work.

As for "It's not a hive mind conspiring".

No but anyone paying attention will note the same few people popping up to hurl angry accusations at people time and time again or trying the same kind of tactics again and again.
 

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Well for one thing, I don't diligently study people I don't agree with. She raised unpopular, but pertinent, questions about the biases present in our entertainment. Her examples werent amazing and her videos were not engaging, as charisma is important for a video essay format. As such, I never watched another thing she put out. Marked it up as not for me and moved the fuck on.


No but anyone paying attention will note the same few people popping up to hurl angry accusations at people time and time again or trying the same kind of tactics again and again.
You're right, but I suspect not in the way you think you are.
 

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snip Anita and FIFA
It's a legit question to ask. It's something that FIFA players asked when they brought that possibility into it. The easiest answer is that FIFA is supposedly a football simulation game and thus you couldn't realistically put women's teams against the men's, and the technical reason is that the player rating that these games have had since forever is balanced for men, and no matter how much you want it you can't put Alex Morgan against Messi and expect a good result. She clearly isn't asking for the abolishment of women's categories. Sure as we can expect she'd like there to be less segregation but if women want to compete they need their own competitions. Saying otherwise just means that one doesn't care about sports, women, or female athletes.