Prostitution: immoral or in demand

[Sim4500]

Did you know you can own a gun, but if you shoot someone with it, it's illegal? Just because someone takes a legal service and breaks the law with it, doesn't make the service illegal, you can have sex with your escort completely legally, it just can't be included in the bill.

I'm pretty sure that in 99.5% of all cases, it is agreed upon that sex will be exchanged for money. Just because this agreement is not written down doesn't make it any more legal.
If the customer is an undercover cop, the girl is screwed.

 

[Ohhi]

I don't know I mean I have never seen the appeal in buying sex from a woman who has packed away more sausage than oscar myer and probably has to many STD's to count.

 

[Verlander]

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I think that the UK, and west in general, go the wrong way about politics. There's no accountability, and no long term incentives for any party. Bush and Blair sent us to war, and where are they now? Making loads of money not doing very much.

4 years is long enough to start something, but not long enough to get any results or conclusions. No party is going to do anything that may loose them votes in the immediacy, regardless of how it may be viewed in 10 or 20 years time. It's something I respect Obama for, that he's going to be martyred for his decision to introduce socialised healthcare, something that in 20 years, all Americans will think it's crazy that anyone opposed.

Politicians need to be held accountable. Whether or not that's imposed as a negative, such as jail time or financial loss (which I don't believe works) or a positive (such as apention or stock based on new ideas and policies implemented by the government, that increase in value with perceived success). Politicians need to be paid less while active, but rewarded for successes (although how you measure those, I am not sure), in order to get things achieved. Currently we have three major parties, where the MP's don't necessarily agree with the politics, but join a party based on the financial implications, and potential payout. That is intrinsically wrong.

Ah, but for an ideal world. Sorry for going off subject

 

[CarpathianMuffin]

I'm all for prostitution. While I know I'd never take advantage of the service, I don't see a problem, unless somebody is forced into it as the only means for survival.

 

[templargunman]

I'm going to assume suppert means support. Yes, people have the choice not to support themselves, your right, they could just stop eating or living in a house, that's totally possible, but I think people in poverty don't think "ah, if I don't get a job for another month I can just move into a homeless shelter" I don't really understand what you're arguing at all. You're pretty much just saying now that if the poor don't want to be prostitutes for my amusement, fuck 'em and leave them to die.

I'm saying that we should give them the opportunity to make money by legalizing prostitution. You are the one who wants to deny them that option.

No, I just don't want people to feel the need to work as prostitutes, I honestly don't think there is a large number of people who think, damn, what should I do with my life... I know, I'll have sex with disgusting men for money! That will obviously be a long term career that I can spend my life working on, it definitely won't dry up when my boobs start to sag and I start getting old person flab. What your saying is that you want to open a new market for a job that nobody, by choice, wants to do, or if they do they're probably just some virgin who thinks that any kind of sex is better than none.

Did you know you can own a gun, but if you shoot someone with it, it's illegal? Just because someone takes a legal service and breaks the law with it, doesn't make the service illegal, you can have sex with your escort completely legally, it just can't be included in the bill.

I'm pretty sure that in 99.5% of all cases, it is agreed upon that sex will be exchanged for money. Just because this agreement is not written down doesn't make it any more legal.
If the customer is an undercover cop, the girl is screwed.

Oh really, 99.5% of cases, that's interesting. Alright, I'll take that, that seems possible. Oh, wait, so now you're telling me that it's actually illegal... hm... well, you wouldn't happen to have any federal legislature that states that the act of sex with someone who at some point in time payed you for a service unrelated to sex is illegal? Or maybe state legislature? No... oh... county? No, really? Well, you must be able to prove it using a city's legislature. You know what, I'll wait for you to find one of those things, but until then you're assuming knowledge you don't know.

 

[Sim4500]

Did you know you can own a gun, but if you shoot someone with it, it's illegal? Just because someone takes a legal service and breaks the law with it, doesn't make the service illegal, you can have sex with your escort completely legally, it just can't be included in the bill.

I'm pretty sure that in 99.5% of all cases, it is agreed upon that sex will be exchanged for money. Just because this agreement is not written down doesn't make it any more legal.
If the customer is an undercover cop, the girl is screwed.

Oh really, 99.5% of cases, that's interesting. Alright, I'll take that, that seems possible. Oh, wait, so now you're telling me that it's actually illegal... hm... well, you wouldn't happen to have any federal legislature that states that the act of sex with someone who at some point in time payed you for a service unrelated to sex is illegal? Or maybe state legislature? No... oh... county? No, really? Well, you must be able to prove it using a city's legislature. You know what, I'll wait for you to find one of those things, but until then you're assuming knowledge you don't know.

I've never been with a escort in the US, but I doubt that client and escort don't talk openly about what services she offers and how much each service costs.
Making an appointment with a prostitute, telling her what you want, paying her and fucking her is pretty difficult without once saying something that makes it clear that you're paying money for sexual services.
If the customer says "how much for anal?" and she says "30 bucks", she's doing something illegal.

This half-legallity of escort agencies doesn't change the situation of prostitutes 1 bit.
A legal prostitute can agree and refuse to do services just like a non legal prostitute. The difference is that the legal prostitute can go to the police if the customer doesn't take "no" for an answer.

 

[Kaymish]

well even though it has been decriminalised here i will still draw the comparison to porn, porn is sex for money on camera prostitution is sex for money off camera why is one legal and the other illegal in other countries

 

[k-mysta]

if someone is willing to sell and someone is williing to buy,there shouldn't be a problem.it would help if it was legalised so atleast the prostitutes would be safe from crimminal influences.as such i agree with sim4500 views on where the focus should be.i find it quite silly that it's not not regularly legalised.

 

[Paksenarrion]

I like the way prostitution was handled in the firefly series That would be a bad ass job if I was a female.

Didn't you see Serenity? You could still do it as a male!

*And* pray for a pony!

 

[Agayek]

so my questions are;what are your feelings on prostitution?. why do you think people become prostitutes?. id you think there should be harsher punishments in place? should it be legitimised as a business opposition. what your opinion on managed and tolerance zones?

My take on prostitution is fairly straightforward: As long as both parties are willing participants, everyone else can go shut the fuck up about it. There's quite literally nothing wrong with selling sex. The only time it ever crosses the line is when pimps, or whatever you want to call them, force a girl into it.

I'm firmly of the opinion it should be legalized, if for no other reason than we can at least be reasonably certain there's not many whores who are forced into it.

 

[templargunman]

Did you know you can own a gun, but if you shoot someone with it, it's illegal? Just because someone takes a legal service and breaks the law with it, doesn't make the service illegal, you can have sex with your escort completely legally, it just can't be included in the bill.

I'm pretty sure that in 99.5% of all cases, it is agreed upon that sex will be exchanged for money. Just because this agreement is not written down doesn't make it any more legal.
If the customer is an undercover cop, the girl is screwed.

Oh really, 99.5% of cases, that's interesting. Alright, I'll take that, that seems possible. Oh, wait, so now you're telling me that it's actually illegal... hm... well, you wouldn't happen to have any federal legislature that states that the act of sex with someone who at some point in time payed you for a service unrelated to sex is illegal? Or maybe state legislature? No... oh... county? No, really? Well, you must be able to prove it using a city's legislature. You know what, I'll wait for you to find one of those things, but until then you're assuming knowledge you don't know.

I've never been with a escort in the US, but I doubt that client and escort don't talk openly about what services she offers and how much each service costs.
Making an appointment with a prostitute, telling her what you want, paying her and fucking her is pretty difficult without once saying something that makes it clear that you're paying money for sexual services.
If the customer says "how much for anal?" and she says "30 bucks", she's doing something illegal.

This half-legallity of escort agencies doesn't change the situation of prostitutes 1 bit.
A legal prostitute can agree and refuse to do services just like a non legal prostitute. The difference is that the legal prostitute can go to the police if the customer doesn't take "no" for an answer.

Sorry, you're actually wrong again. What happens, and this is purely from research, something you should try, is that a service offers an overnight fee, which is incredibly costly, and the idea is that whatever happens happens. You pay the fee to have the escort stay with you overnight, and any sex or anything else that happens is "her choice". These women who do the overnight know that they're probably going to have to have sex, and as I mentioned earlier, unless the guy is into something really depraved the escort will probably do it. So no, you can't ask how much for anal, because you already payed thousands of dollars to get the escort overnight, so if you ask for anal she'll tell you it's free. Also, side note: $30 for any form of sex act would imply you are getting an std.

 

[Choppaduel]

I wouldn't call it immoral, but a society where prostitution is legal there are going to be plenty of people that are doing it even though they really don't want to, to do it because they are addicted to drugs, in poverty, or what not.
Then again, in a society where it isn't legal, people still do it, except in worse conditions. Point is; If people truly, really wanna sell themselves, they should be able to do it. But society better be god-damn sure that it is what they really, really want.
Otherwise, these people need help. I can imagine few things as horrible as forced prostitution because of starvation/threats of violence/ drug abuse.

wait... would you or would you not support a system where prostitution was legal, with a level of regulation of your choice?

 

[wammnebu]

legalize it, it will make high school career day much more interesting

 

[templargunman]

I'm going to assume suppert means support. Yes, people have the choice not to support themselves, your right, they could just stop eating or living in a house, that's totally possible, but I think people in poverty don't think "ah, if I don't get a job for another month I can just move into a homeless shelter" I don't really understand what you're arguing at all. You're pretty much just saying now that if the poor don't want to be prostitutes for my amusement, fuck 'em and leave them to die.

I'm saying that we should give them the opportunity to make money by legalizing prostitution. You are the one who wants to deny them that option.

No, I just don't want people to feel the need to work as prostitutes, I honestly don't think there is a large number of people who think, damn, what should I do with my life... I know, I'll have sex with disgusting men for money! That will obviously be a long term career that I can spend my life working on, it definitely won't dry up when my boobs start to sag and I start getting old person flab. What your saying is that you want to open a new market for a job that nobody, by choice, wants to do, or if they do they're probably just some virgin who thinks that any kind of sex is better than none.

Lets outlaw being a garbage man so. Because I'm pretty sure no one at any point in their life thinks "Yes, garbage that's my dream." They won't feel the need to work as prostitutes, it's that if they do need to they can. Not every prostitute is a skeevy street walker by the way. Guess what, some people actually enjoy being porn stars and prostitutes. You don't get that, fair enough. You're entitled to think fucking for money is weird and wrong doesn't change the fact that a lot of people do it because they want to.

I think you might of missed some of my earlier points in my back and forth with Anubis. We already have stripping, and if prostitution was legalized, most strippers would have to become prostitutes, because have no doubt that if a company could change their business model to bring in more money they would, regardless of their employee's wants. So yes, people who want to be prostitutes would have the opportunity to be prostitutes, but many people who kept away from prostitution by becoming strippers will be forced into the career. Also, I don't deny that some people would want to be prostitutes, but unlike garbage, it's not a necessary job that has to be done by someone, and I never said that porn stars are weird, I understand that the porn industry has it's own awards and there is a lot of appeal to being famous for sex.

 

[wammnebu]

Sorry, you're actually wrong again. What happens, and this is purely from research, something you should try, is that a service offers an overnight fee, which is incredibly costly, and the idea is that whatever happens happens. You pay the fee to have the escort stay with you overnight, and any sex or anything else that happens is "her choice". These women who do the overnight know that they're probably going to have to have sex, and as I mentioned earlier, unless the guy is into something really depraved the escort will probably do it. So no, you can't ask how much for anal, because you already payed thousands of dollars to get the escort overnight, so if you ask for anal she'll tell you it's free. Also, side note: $30 for any form of sex act would imply you are getting an std.

that sounds incredibly dangerous on the woman's side however, since it is a blank check

 

[Choppaduel]

most strippers would have to become prostitutes, because have no doubt that if a company could change their business model to bring in more money they would, regardless of their employee's wants.

Wait so prostitutes have no free will? The phrase "I quit" is not in their vocabulary?

 

[Sim4500]

Sorry, you're actually wrong again. What happens, and this is purely from research, something you should try, is that a service offers an overnight fee, which is incredibly costly, and the idea is that whatever happens happens. You pay the fee to have the escort stay with you overnight, and any sex or anything else that happens is "her choice". These women who do the overnight know that they're probably going to have to have sex, and as I mentioned earlier, unless the guy is into something really depraved the escort will probably do it. So no, you can't ask how much for anal, because you already payed thousands of dollars to get the escort overnight, so if you ask for anal she'll tell you it's free. Also, side note: $30 for any form of sex act would imply you are getting an std.

I'm no expert on the US sex industry, but I have been with about a dozen escorts here in good old Europe. I doubt that expensive overnight dates are any more common in the US than they are in Europe.
Fact is that sex is sold for money, no matter how u phrase it. All it comes down to is whether the prosecutor has enough evidence to make a case.
This legal situation doesn't exactly make life easier for prostitutes.

$30 for any form of sex act would imply you are getting an std.

I meant $30 in addition to the usual fee. At least here in Europe it's common to charge a bit more for anal sex. (If the girl does it at all. Most don't)
Really high class prostitutes and some non-professional girls will do everything they offer for a fixed fee, but most professional girls will charge you 100-200Euro per hour (Berlin prices) for regular sex and charge you a few bucks extra for kissing, anal, oral without condom ("french without"), "french total" (you figure this one out ), etc.

 

[Turbo_Destructor]

I don't think prostitution (that is, offering sex in exchange for money) is in itself, immoral. But when you look at the prostitution industry, it is full of corrupt pimps, violence, abuse, drug addiction, exploitation etc. it's pretty awful.

 

[Blemontea]

I never got why its illegal... why? its sex people have it all the time... and whats the punishment for prostitution? Jail time? Rehab? It makes no sense, most of the sneezy people trying to make it illegal have had sex and probably needed a fix at one point.
I only feel a little sad for prostitutes, mostly because i know sometimes its a last resort, for no other job will hire them. SO they fluant what they got control the opposite sex and after a bit of fun they get paid in the end. Its actually genius if you take a step back and look at it. Though why its illegal makes no sense...