Prostitution: immoral or in demand

[Sim4500]

Did you know you can own a gun, but if you shoot someone with it, it's illegal? Just because someone takes a legal service and breaks the law with it, doesn't make the service illegal, you can have sex with your escort completely legally, it just can't be included in the bill.

I'm pretty sure that in 99.5% of all cases, it is agreed upon that sex will be exchanged for money. Just because this agreement is not written down doesn't make it any more legal.
If the customer is an undercover cop, the girl is screwed.

Oh really, 99.5% of cases, that's interesting. Alright, I'll take that, that seems possible. Oh, wait, so now you're telling me that it's actually illegal... hm... well, you wouldn't happen to have any federal legislature that states that the act of sex with someone who at some point in time payed you for a service unrelated to sex is illegal? Or maybe state legislature? No... oh... county? No, really? Well, you must be able to prove it using a city's legislature. You know what, I'll wait for you to find one of those things, but until then you're assuming knowledge you don't know.

I've never been with a escort in the US, but I doubt that client and escort don't talk openly about what services she offers and how much each service costs.
Making an appointment with a prostitute, telling her what you want, paying her and fucking her is pretty difficult without once saying something that makes it clear that you're paying money for sexual services.
If the customer says "how much for anal?" and she says "30 bucks", she's doing something illegal.

This half-legallity of escort agencies doesn't change the situation of prostitutes 1 bit.
A legal prostitute can agree and refuse to do services just like a non legal prostitute. The difference is that the legal prostitute can go to the police if the customer doesn't take "no" for an answer.

 

[Kaymish]

well even though it has been decriminalised here i will still draw the comparison to porn, porn is sex for money on camera prostitution is sex for money off camera why is one legal and the other illegal in other countries

 

[k-mysta]

if someone is willing to sell and someone is williing to buy,there shouldn't be a problem.it would help if it was legalised so atleast the prostitutes would be safe from crimminal influences.as such i agree with sim4500 views on where the focus should be.i find it quite silly that it's not not regularly legalised.

 

[Paksenarrion]

I like the way prostitution was handled in the firefly series That would be a bad ass job if I was a female.

Didn't you see Serenity? You could still do it as a male!

*And* pray for a pony!

 

[Agayek]

so my questions are;what are your feelings on prostitution?. why do you think people become prostitutes?. id you think there should be harsher punishments in place? should it be legitimised as a business opposition. what your opinion on managed and tolerance zones?

My take on prostitution is fairly straightforward: As long as both parties are willing participants, everyone else can go shut the fuck up about it. There's quite literally nothing wrong with selling sex. The only time it ever crosses the line is when pimps, or whatever you want to call them, force a girl into it.

I'm firmly of the opinion it should be legalized, if for no other reason than we can at least be reasonably certain there's not many whores who are forced into it.

 

[templargunman]

Did you know you can own a gun, but if you shoot someone with it, it's illegal? Just because someone takes a legal service and breaks the law with it, doesn't make the service illegal, you can have sex with your escort completely legally, it just can't be included in the bill.

I'm pretty sure that in 99.5% of all cases, it is agreed upon that sex will be exchanged for money. Just because this agreement is not written down doesn't make it any more legal.
If the customer is an undercover cop, the girl is screwed.

Oh really, 99.5% of cases, that's interesting. Alright, I'll take that, that seems possible. Oh, wait, so now you're telling me that it's actually illegal... hm... well, you wouldn't happen to have any federal legislature that states that the act of sex with someone who at some point in time payed you for a service unrelated to sex is illegal? Or maybe state legislature? No... oh... county? No, really? Well, you must be able to prove it using a city's legislature. You know what, I'll wait for you to find one of those things, but until then you're assuming knowledge you don't know.

I've never been with a escort in the US, but I doubt that client and escort don't talk openly about what services she offers and how much each service costs.
Making an appointment with a prostitute, telling her what you want, paying her and fucking her is pretty difficult without once saying something that makes it clear that you're paying money for sexual services.
If the customer says "how much for anal?" and she says "30 bucks", she's doing something illegal.

This half-legallity of escort agencies doesn't change the situation of prostitutes 1 bit.
A legal prostitute can agree and refuse to do services just like a non legal prostitute. The difference is that the legal prostitute can go to the police if the customer doesn't take "no" for an answer.

Sorry, you're actually wrong again. What happens, and this is purely from research, something you should try, is that a service offers an overnight fee, which is incredibly costly, and the idea is that whatever happens happens. You pay the fee to have the escort stay with you overnight, and any sex or anything else that happens is "her choice". These women who do the overnight know that they're probably going to have to have sex, and as I mentioned earlier, unless the guy is into something really depraved the escort will probably do it. So no, you can't ask how much for anal, because you already payed thousands of dollars to get the escort overnight, so if you ask for anal she'll tell you it's free. Also, side note: $30 for any form of sex act would imply you are getting an std.

 

[Choppaduel]

I wouldn't call it immoral, but a society where prostitution is legal there are going to be plenty of people that are doing it even though they really don't want to, to do it because they are addicted to drugs, in poverty, or what not.
Then again, in a society where it isn't legal, people still do it, except in worse conditions. Point is; If people truly, really wanna sell themselves, they should be able to do it. But society better be god-damn sure that it is what they really, really want.
Otherwise, these people need help. I can imagine few things as horrible as forced prostitution because of starvation/threats of violence/ drug abuse.

wait... would you or would you not support a system where prostitution was legal, with a level of regulation of your choice?

 

[wammnebu]

legalize it, it will make high school career day much more interesting

 

[templargunman]

I'm going to assume suppert means support. Yes, people have the choice not to support themselves, your right, they could just stop eating or living in a house, that's totally possible, but I think people in poverty don't think "ah, if I don't get a job for another month I can just move into a homeless shelter" I don't really understand what you're arguing at all. You're pretty much just saying now that if the poor don't want to be prostitutes for my amusement, fuck 'em and leave them to die.

I'm saying that we should give them the opportunity to make money by legalizing prostitution. You are the one who wants to deny them that option.

No, I just don't want people to feel the need to work as prostitutes, I honestly don't think there is a large number of people who think, damn, what should I do with my life... I know, I'll have sex with disgusting men for money! That will obviously be a long term career that I can spend my life working on, it definitely won't dry up when my boobs start to sag and I start getting old person flab. What your saying is that you want to open a new market for a job that nobody, by choice, wants to do, or if they do they're probably just some virgin who thinks that any kind of sex is better than none.

Lets outlaw being a garbage man so. Because I'm pretty sure no one at any point in their life thinks "Yes, garbage that's my dream." They won't feel the need to work as prostitutes, it's that if they do need to they can. Not every prostitute is a skeevy street walker by the way. Guess what, some people actually enjoy being porn stars and prostitutes. You don't get that, fair enough. You're entitled to think fucking for money is weird and wrong doesn't change the fact that a lot of people do it because they want to.

I think you might of missed some of my earlier points in my back and forth with Anubis. We already have stripping, and if prostitution was legalized, most strippers would have to become prostitutes, because have no doubt that if a company could change their business model to bring in more money they would, regardless of their employee's wants. So yes, people who want to be prostitutes would have the opportunity to be prostitutes, but many people who kept away from prostitution by becoming strippers will be forced into the career. Also, I don't deny that some people would want to be prostitutes, but unlike garbage, it's not a necessary job that has to be done by someone, and I never said that porn stars are weird, I understand that the porn industry has it's own awards and there is a lot of appeal to being famous for sex.

 

[wammnebu]

Sorry, you're actually wrong again. What happens, and this is purely from research, something you should try, is that a service offers an overnight fee, which is incredibly costly, and the idea is that whatever happens happens. You pay the fee to have the escort stay with you overnight, and any sex or anything else that happens is "her choice". These women who do the overnight know that they're probably going to have to have sex, and as I mentioned earlier, unless the guy is into something really depraved the escort will probably do it. So no, you can't ask how much for anal, because you already payed thousands of dollars to get the escort overnight, so if you ask for anal she'll tell you it's free. Also, side note: $30 for any form of sex act would imply you are getting an std.

that sounds incredibly dangerous on the woman's side however, since it is a blank check

 

[Choppaduel]

most strippers would have to become prostitutes, because have no doubt that if a company could change their business model to bring in more money they would, regardless of their employee's wants.

Wait so prostitutes have no free will? The phrase "I quit" is not in their vocabulary?

 

[Sim4500]

Sorry, you're actually wrong again. What happens, and this is purely from research, something you should try, is that a service offers an overnight fee, which is incredibly costly, and the idea is that whatever happens happens. You pay the fee to have the escort stay with you overnight, and any sex or anything else that happens is "her choice". These women who do the overnight know that they're probably going to have to have sex, and as I mentioned earlier, unless the guy is into something really depraved the escort will probably do it. So no, you can't ask how much for anal, because you already payed thousands of dollars to get the escort overnight, so if you ask for anal she'll tell you it's free. Also, side note: $30 for any form of sex act would imply you are getting an std.

I'm no expert on the US sex industry, but I have been with about a dozen escorts here in good old Europe. I doubt that expensive overnight dates are any more common in the US than they are in Europe.
Fact is that sex is sold for money, no matter how u phrase it. All it comes down to is whether the prosecutor has enough evidence to make a case.
This legal situation doesn't exactly make life easier for prostitutes.

$30 for any form of sex act would imply you are getting an std.

I meant $30 in addition to the usual fee. At least here in Europe it's common to charge a bit more for anal sex. (If the girl does it at all. Most don't)
Really high class prostitutes and some non-professional girls will do everything they offer for a fixed fee, but most professional girls will charge you 100-200Euro per hour (Berlin prices) for regular sex and charge you a few bucks extra for kissing, anal, oral without condom ("french without"), "french total" (you figure this one out ), etc.

 

[Turbo_Destructor]

I don't think prostitution (that is, offering sex in exchange for money) is in itself, immoral. But when you look at the prostitution industry, it is full of corrupt pimps, violence, abuse, drug addiction, exploitation etc. it's pretty awful.

 

[Blemontea]

I never got why its illegal... why? its sex people have it all the time... and whats the punishment for prostitution? Jail time? Rehab? It makes no sense, most of the sneezy people trying to make it illegal have had sex and probably needed a fix at one point.
I only feel a little sad for prostitutes, mostly because i know sometimes its a last resort, for no other job will hire them. SO they fluant what they got control the opposite sex and after a bit of fun they get paid in the end. Its actually genius if you take a step back and look at it. Though why its illegal makes no sense...

 

[templargunman]

most strippers would have to become prostitutes, because have no doubt that if a company could change their business model to bring in more money they would, regardless of their employee's wants.

Wait so prostitutes have no free will? The phrase "I quit" is not in their vocabulary?

Yeah, it is, but they'd rather not have phrases like "Sorry, mommy can't buy food right now" be in their vocabulary. Sure, they can quit their jobs, but people often turn to stripping as a last resort, not all of them, of course, but the people who do it by choice don't need to be protected as much.

 

[templargunman]

Sorry, you're actually wrong again. What happens, and this is purely from research, something you should try, is that a service offers an overnight fee, which is incredibly costly, and the idea is that whatever happens happens. You pay the fee to have the escort stay with you overnight, and any sex or anything else that happens is "her choice". These women who do the overnight know that they're probably going to have to have sex, and as I mentioned earlier, unless the guy is into something really depraved the escort will probably do it. So no, you can't ask how much for anal, because you already payed thousands of dollars to get the escort overnight, so if you ask for anal she'll tell you it's free. Also, side note: $30 for any form of sex act would imply you are getting an std.

I'm no expert on the US sex industry, but I have been with about a dozen escorts here in good old Europe. I doubt that expensive overnight dates are any more common in the US than they are in Europe.
Fact is that sex is sold for money, no matter how u phrase it. All it comes down to is whether the prosecutor has enough evidence to make a case.
This legal situation doesn't exactly make life easier for prostitutes.

$30 for any form of sex act would imply you are getting an std.

I meant $30 in addition to the usual fee. At least here in Europe it's common to charge a bit more for anal sex. (If the girl does it at all. Most don't)
Really high class prostitutes and some non-professional girls will do everything they offer for a fixed fee, but most professional girls will charge you 100-200Euro per hour (Berlin prices) for regular sex and charge you a few bucks extra for kissing, anal, oral without condom ("french without"), "french total" (you figure this one out ), etc.

My mono is making me too tired to read through this and find a counter point, so I will just say you're right. I've never been with an escort, and I was doing it all off research, it might be at this point we are arguing two different points, as you're discussing European escort services and I'm discussing American escort services. What I do know about American services is that escort services are primarily to have a hot woman to meet you at the airport, or come with you to an event. The sex is a separate service, and many of the escorts you can take will actually not have sex at all. But yeah, my mono has made me too tired to figure out what's going on with this, your arguments are actually well worded enough that I have to think of a response, unlike most people on this forum.

 

[RatRace123]

I think it's fine, they provide a service that never goes out of demand.
I think it should be legalized as an institution, sponsered brothels and all that.

It'd bring in money, and the prostitutes themselves would be able to work in better surroundings.

The way I see it, if legalized, it'd be no different from porn stars; except, no camera or crew.

 

[BlindMessiah94]

I think the way prostitution has been degraded to pimps and druggies is wrong. I think making it illegal only further exacerbates this issue. If we actually had reverence for a person's sexuality, then going to a prostitute could be something not done in the darkness and shadows. If a prostitute was more like a Companion in Firefly, for example, and seeing one was not your choice but theirs, and was almost a rite of passage or a great privilege, we may look upon sexuality, prostitution, and women a lot differently (and men I suppose too).

 

[Sikachu]

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For someone who appears to be a native speaker of the language, your English is inexcusably bad. If you want people to bother giving you useful responses, put a little effort into making your post clear and easy-to-read.

Prostitution, in my opinion, should be treated no differently to any other act where people sell their bodies to be disposed with by other people. In other words I refuse to pretend there's a difference between taking a cock for money and breaking your back working in a mine for it. Neither are something I would usually do by choice, and so incentivising me to do so financially seems equally exploitative either way.

Human trafficking/slavery is really where my objections to prostitution lie. But I don't think that these HAVE to be a feature of a well-implemented sex industry (see Nevada as an example of this rather than Amsterdam, which is a terrible example).

and how is it inexcusably bad? because i have used some short hand here and there? or using bases instead of basis perhaps? and i have had plenty of useful responses thank you very much so i believe people haven't had any issue with it and neither do you as you all so managed to answer the question? or may be because i didn't post it as a large formal question as i just want some opinions to see how accurate many of the statements within my readings are accurate?

Spoiler: Here is your OP with errors highlighted

hey escapist just a little question,

im in the middle of a assignment on prostitution for my university course, and all my readings on theories talk heavily of public perceptions, decisions, and opinions as a bases of a lot of arguments.

so i thought id take a little consensus of what your opinion on prostitution is and how you think it should be dealt with.

so my questions are; what are your feelings on prostitution?. why do you think people become prostitutes?. id . what your opinion on managed and tolerance zones?

also a little side note, here in the UK, prostitution is technically not illegal, just the things associated with it.

Hopefully that will quiet your adolescent whining about the standard of your language.

What concerns me more is reading "i just want some opinions to see how accurate many of the statements within my readings are accurate". I presume that this means something like 'I just wanted some opinions to see how accurate many of the statements in my reading are' and this is potentially dangerous for your assignment. Be wary of 'verifying' claims by forum. If you are trying to prove to yourself that there are people out there who genuinely hold one position or another, then the internet is a great place to open your mind. If, however, you are testing claims in the literature, you are doing it very much in the wrong way.

 

[hazabaza1]

This might sound stupid, or it might have been posted before, but what about, I dunno, making it a legitimate business? People will do it anyway, so why not allow people to within the law?
I mean, make people need licences to run a brothel and sell these girls services, give them tests to make sure they're not intoxicated, investigate them beforehand to make sure they're not doing drugs or anything, and if they do start while... at work, I guess, give them help.
I dunno, just some rambling.