PS3 Hacker Raised All the Legal Funds Needed to Beat Sony in a Weekend

[RoBi3.0]

Oh no, that means that Sony will actually have to listen to their customers and see what they want, and possibly even add features instead of removing them?

Gasp, shock, and horror.

Hey, I wonder if there's a hack that gives back PS2 capability for the PS3 slims, I'd get it if there was. I've got a whole library of PS2 games that I'd love to play, but then I don't have wireless controllers, letting me play from my favorite recliner.

You mean that if someone adds a hack, Sony could make it obsolete if they added a similar capability to their system? Thereby giving them a reason to update and not simply hack pieces of their system off whenever they feel like it?

You mean that I'll actually *own* my own console? Instead of just owning a box, and nothing inside of it?

So basically this gives Sony a reason to UPGRADE their system instead of randomly chopping functions off that were the reason we first GOT a PS3.

I regret every day I bought a PS3 Slim instead of going to gamestop and just buying an older model. I can't run half my games on my new system, instead I'm expected to go out, get a PS2, and be fucking happy that they didn't chop PS1 compatibility.

Seriously.
What the hell.

I doubt that if people actually cared about linux enough to raise a stink Sony would have ignored them, but guess what no one cared or at the very least not enough of no one to matter.

also Sony didn't take away Backwards comparability the stop making PS3 that were capable of doing it. That is a completely different thing then them taking away linux. Not every fat model can play PS2 games only the 60 and select 80 gig models, but those that could originally still can.

This my fight is your fight cause they will come for you next if we don't stop them now sentiment is bullshit. If Sony gets a hard on about Blu-ray movie playback then I will start to care until then I couldn't give to fucks about linux.

I will tell you this, if Sony does remove blu-ray or something from PS3 that I do care about I will go about it way different then geohotz. I am not going to hack the shit I care about back into my PS3. Consumer power is about putting your money where your mouth is. Sony will know how unhappy I am by the amount of money I stop giving to them and through focus consumer feed back. <----- that means angry letter. lol

 

[Jumplion]

Know what? I'm not even going to bother to say it.

Okay, I'll say it anyway.

[HEADING=1]Nobody wins in the end.[/HEADING]

No matter what the results of the lawsuit, nobody wins. The hackers still hack, Sony still updates, pirates still pirate, and the consumer gets royally screwed with DRM anywhere the wind blows.

So to Geohot I say piss off, I see you as an obnoxious jerk. Just let us play our games.

To Sony I say piss off, let them do their thing, it's (supposedly) legal anyway.

To the pirates I say fuck off the most of all. Without you guys, we wouldn't be in this god forsaken mess.

Screw this lawsuit, screw the hackers, screw Sony, screw the pirates, and by god screw the consumers because lord knows we're already screwed! I don't care who wins at the end because nobody will.

 

[linkvegeta]

I hope he wins, mostly because im pissed at Sony for constantly spitting in my face since the PS3 came out.

Also Sony should be hiring him not suing him, they should hire him up to make the ps3 better.

But really if you buy something it is yours and you should be able to modify it however you want, but if by doing so it voids the warranty. that should be perfectly legal, now disrupting and pirating should not be legal and they should focus on protecting PSN.

Sony should fall on their butts and rethink how they do things. maybe look back to things they did right like the PS2. That is all for now.

 

[imperialreign]

I'm not a supporter of hacking hardware/firmware in an effort to use/distribute pirated software . . . but - if it allows for greater system flexibility, I'm all for it. As it stands, I support this guy's case.

I guess it comes from the decades of being exposed to the PC community - our hardware manufacturers don't start throwing out lawsuits when people hard-mod their motherboard, video card, audio card . . . nor the firmware that runs these components. They don't go breathing down the user's neck when someone replaces a BIOS with one from a completely different manufacturer's board. At the most they'll simply deny warranty - but in our current age, many times manufacturers are still willing to warranty their products, even if the user completely foobared them.

It's the ability of the community to modify and edit hardware/firmware/software at their whim that fuels enthusiasm and user-end problem solving. If users are enthusiastic about how modifiable their hardware is, without fear of repercussions from the corporate sector, they're more apt to recommend such hardware to others.

Obviously SONY has gotten so big for their britches that they're no longer content unless they have a dire strangle-hold on every market out there. TBH, I'm tired of SONY's shit in nearly every market, their price gouging and stalinisitic practices. I really hope this whole situation puts a major dent in their goose-stepping stride.

 

[RoBi3.0]

I hope he wins, mostly because im pissed at Sony for constantly spitting in my face since the PS3 came out.

Also Sony should be hiring him not suing him, they should hire him up to make the ps3 better.

But really if you buy something it is yours and you should be able to modify it however you want, but if by doing so it voids the warranty. that should be perfectly legal, now disrupting and pirating should not be legal and they should focus on protecting PSN.

Sony should fall on their butts and rethink how they do things. maybe look back to things they did right like the PS2. That is all for now.

Have you seen his video(s) he is a complete twat and would by far make the worst employee ever. He is not interested in making the PS3 better he is interested in making a name for himself. That kind of person is a larger liability then an asset.

 

[jedizero]

I doubt that if people actually cared about linux enough to raise a stink Sony would have ignored them, but guess what no one cared or at the very least not enough of no one to matter.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100513/0113129410.shtml

Oh hai there US government. You want Linux Capability back? Fuck you.

Sony didn't take away Backwards compatibility, they stopped making PS3s that were capable of it. This is a completely different thing then taking away linux. Not every fat model can play PS2 games anyway, only the 60 and select 80 gig models, but those that could originally still can.

They still market it as backwards compatible. (Because you can play PS1 games on your PS3 slim.) There's also the fact that you can still fricking make an internal PS2 memory card. Why is this? Could it be they just planned on letting it go in, and then chose to put a lock on it? They also pretty much flat out said 'Oh, the reason we don't let it happen? We want your money. You guys aren't buying enough PS3 games, you're playing PS2 games and buying older ones from Gamestop and those. So fuck you, buy our shit.'
P.S. I fixed your paragraph so it was readable. You're welcome.

This my fight is your fight cause they will come for you next if we don't stop them now sentiment is bullshit. If Sony gets a hard on about Blu-ray movie playback then I will start to care until then I couldn't give to fucks about linux.

So because it doesn't directly inconvenience you, you don't give a shit that this guy is trying to ensure it can't happen to you? Right then.

I will tell you this, if Sony does remove blu-ray or something from PS3 that I do care about I will go about it way different then geohotz. I am not going to hack the shit I care about back into my PS3. Consumer power is about putting your money where your mouth is. Sony will know how unhappy I am by the amount of money I stop giving to them and through focus consumer feed back. <----- that means angry letter. lol

Consumer Power is bullshit. An angry letter? Oh no, whatever will they do? They'll just have to console themselves with their swimming pools filled with money.

I wrote an angry letter, asking why they removed backwards compatibility from the PS3 Slims, informing them that I'd actually pay a fee if I could send my PS3 Slim in, and they'd add it back into the system. I got no response, I got nothing. That I'd actually pay a great deal of money if I could fucking play my games, on the system that I enjoyed for so long, before it biting me in the ass that I was an early adopter, and got one when they first came out, the first generation of PS3's

 

[mrdude2010]

I hope he wins, it is our right to do what we want to the PS3 after we buy it, I remember one time when I was delivering Pizza, the people were playing Super Mario All stars on their PS3. They looked like they were having lots of fun, now they can't cause Sony are asshoes

Uh, no they have no right to be playing SMAS on their PS3. No matter if the game is fun, they pirated the game and hacked the console? Thats like double the offense.

If someone pirates a game and says they're having "fun" doesn't suddenly pardon them.

unless they purchased a copy of SMAS then modified it to work for their console (or modified the console to play the disk). then all of the software is purchased legally and i don't see a problem with it

 

[RoBi3.0]

I doubt that if people actually cared about linux enough to raise a stink Sony would have ignored them, but guess what no one cared or at the very least not enough of no one to matter.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100513/0113129410.shtml

Oh hai there US government. You want Linux Capability back? Fuck you.

also Sony didn't take away Backwards comparability they stopped making PS3s that were capable of it. This is a completely different thing then taking away linux. Not every fat model can play PS2 games anyway, only the 60 and select 80 gig models, but those that could originally still can.

They still market it as backwards compatible. (Because you can play PS1 games on your PS3 slim.) There's also the fact that you can still fricking make an internal PS2 memory card. Why is this? Could it be they just planned on letting it go in, and then chose to put a lock on it? They also pretty much flat out said 'Oh, the reason we don't let it happen? We want your money. You guys aren't buying enough PS3 games, you're playing PS2 games and buying older ones from Gamestop and those. So fuck you, buy our shit.'
P.S. I fixed your paragraph so it was readable. You're welcome.

This my fight is your fight cause they will come for you next if we don't stop them now sentiment is bullshit. If Sony gets a hard on about Blu-ray movie playback then I will start to care until then I couldn't give to fucks about linux.

So because it doesn't directly inconvenience you, you don't give a shit that this guy is trying to ensure it can't happen to you? Right then.

I will tell you this, if Sony does remove blu-ray or something from PS3 that I do care about I will go about it way different then geohotz. I am not going to hack the shit I care about back into my PS3. Consumer power is about putting your money where your mouth is. Sony will know how unhappy I am by the amount of money I stop giving to them and through focus consumer feed back. <----- that means angry letter. lol

Consumer Power is bullshit, an angry letter? Oh no, whatever will they do? They'll just have to console themselves with their swimming pools filled with money.

I wrote an angry letter, asking why they removed backwards compatibility from the PS3 Slims, informing them that I'd actually pay a fee if I could send my PS3 Slim in, and they'd add it back into the system. I got no response, I got nothing. That I'd actually pay a great deal of money if I could fucking play my games, on the system that I enjoyed for so long, before it biting me in the ass that I was an early adopter, and got one when they first came out, the first generation of PS3's

Wow, angry much? I am not sure what else to say. /shrug.

avoidance of low content edit.

Goehotz is not a freedom fighter putting it to the big guy to save the little old consumers. I am sorry if you honestly believe that. He is nothing more the an attention whore as someone else put it. I fight my own battle and If for some reason I didn't I wouldn't have elected that retard to fight it for me.

 

[jedizero]

Sorry, I didn't mean to come off as angry.

I'm just still frustrated over it. I spent a lot of money on my new PS3 Slim, I love it as a PS3 console, but I wish so very much I could still have the ability to play my PS2 games.

I got it thinking that they'd add it in again, an addon, or even an expansion to it. (Something that plugs in and lets you play PS2 games.) I'd read that they were working on something like it somewhere, I was sure of.

That was several years ago.

 

[fallouthirteen]

If GEOHOT wins, the hackers/pirates win and the consumers get screwed.
If Sony wins, the consumers win, and the hackers/pirates are defeated for now.

I admit that Sony isn't completely in the right, and they shouldn't punish good gamers for what the hackers/pirates do, but if GEOHOT wins PSN will be complete anarchy and Sony may take away more features. It is in the best interest of all non-pirate gamers that GEOHOT loses.

If Sony wins, the consumers lose rights to homebrew, but the hackers/pirates lose rights to hack/pirate.

Now I'd disagree. It seems either way consumers lose. If GEOHOT wins, like you said, you can likely expect online games to get worse (unless Sony can find a way to ban consoles from playing online, which would still be in their rights). However, if Sony wins, it will set a precedent that a manufacturer has complete control over their device after selling it. Say if they wanted to remove disc playback in order to push digital distribution, which I will admit is currently not feasible, but does appear to be in Sony's interests (look at the PSPGO, they want to do it, just can't get away with it). If Sony wins they would have the legal right to do that leaving two options for a consumer with a PS3, refuse the update, thus missing out on online functions or submit to it and lose the ability to play from discs. Granted, it'd currently be a bad move by Sony due to basic internet infrastructure in place, but if that got better it could very well happen.

 

[RoBi3.0]

Sorry, I didn't mean to come off as angry.

I'm just still frustrated over it. I spend a lot of money on my new PS3 Slim, I love it as a PS3 console, but I wish so very much I could still have the ability to play my PS2 games.

I got it thinking that they'd add it in again, an addon, or even an expansion to it. (Something that plugs in and lets you play PS2 games.) I'd read that they were working on something like it somewhere, I was sure of.

That was several years ago.

Its cool I understand how that could be frustrating. My bother had a 60 gig when he bought it he had to drive half across the state to the only store in Ohio that had one. Then a few months ago it yellow lighted on him. He refuses to buy another one and and has had the nerve to send it to Sony for a fix. Now all it does is collect dust.

 

[linkvegeta]

I hope he wins, mostly because im pissed at Sony for constantly spitting in my face since the PS3 came out.

Also Sony should be hiring him not suing him, they should hire him up to make the ps3 better.

But really if you buy something it is yours and you should be able to modify it however you want, but if by doing so it voids the warranty. that should be perfectly legal, now disrupting and pirating should not be legal and they should focus on protecting PSN.

Sony should fall on their butts and rethink how they do things. maybe look back to things they did right like the PS2. That is all for now.

Have you seen his video(s) he is a complete twat and would by far make the worst employee ever. He is not interested in making the PS3 better he is interested in making a name for himself. That kind of person is a larger liability then an asset.

Its just a suggestion.I dont really like him or hate him, but i do hate Sony.

 

[SIXVI06-M]

I hate to break this to you but PS3 games would be 'unpiratable' if it wasn't for Geohotz & co. Say what you want but when it comes to it, I think it's a shitty thing he did that just allows publishers and developers to not receive their hard earned money. If you think that is fair, then please tell me how it is.

I really don't think the PS3 would be "unpiratable" without GeoHotz intervention. The people who want to pirate games find their own workarounds, and while the one he published may have made it easier on pirates, it is not going to cause people who weren't going to pirate to start, nor if he hadn't published it would it have stopped people who wanted to pirate from doing it.
I agree, it is terrible that publishers and developers loose out on money because of pirates. However, it is just as bad in my mind that creative people who like to modify items they have purchased, for their own use, without reselling it or in any way taking away from the company that made it, are getting sued. If I had the technical expertise, you bet your bottom dollar I would mod my ps3, along with all my other systems, into an awesome looking game box that I can run those games on. For example, I think the nintoaster [http://www.google.com/#q=nintoaster&hl=en&safe=off&prmd=ivnsfd&source=univ&tbs=vid:1&tbo=u&sa=X&ei=y9xiTbiED4H88AbWqvHCDA&sqi=2&ved=0CDQQqwQ&bav=on.1,or.&fp=5554087cfc08a05] is one of the most amazing things ever. If Sony wins their case, things like this could also become illegal. And that is why I support GeoHotz.

You are wrong. Pirates hadn't found a way around the PS3 for years. If it wasn't for his intervention the PS3 would have no pirated games on it. He seemed to think it was his god given place to allow homebrewing on the PS3 which would in turn allow pirating. The guy is just some immature computer geek with no sense of responsibility.

I think this is the point in the conversation where we will have to agree to disagree. I believe pirates may have gained an advantage because of what he did, but that they would have been able to work things out on their own without his intervention, if they hadn't already. Likewise, I also don't believe that my giving you information makes me responsible, legally or morally, if you choose to abuse the information and use it in a way I had not intended. Obviously you believe differently, and I don't believe either of us is going to convince the other.

So to summarise your argument is based on unfounded beliefs. Right...
Fact is, and you can't argue with facts, pirates hadn't found a way before Geohotz decided to get in the mix.
If you really think that you have no responsibility to act in a responsible manner, you must be the kind of guy that hands his friends their car keys even when they are drunk. Your not in the car so who cares right? -.-

And your argument is based on the ASSUMPTION that you can win an argument by trying to STRAW-MAN the person you don't agree with. Real mature Mr.'Logical Argument' - kind of silly when you try to sound all educated and convincing.

Yes, his opinion is a 'belief' as mentioned by you AND him - thus they are more personal than objective. You cannot argue this logically as human ideals in freedom and/or responsibility both share its flaws and advantages. It's like arguing whose God/imaginary friend is better - except you've tripped on your own argument since dragontiers is already asserting that part of his opinion is based on personal beliefs, where you are asserting that your personal beliefs are facts. Responsibility is good, yes, but by and large, responsibility also falls under moral values - to which different people have different views on and you should know that there is no supreme ideal (if there is, we haven't found it yet); if we believed in that, our social and even technological evolution would suffer.

Also, your 'fact' that pirates hadn't found a way before GeoHotz got in the mix is also an assumption. Did you meet every pirate and modder in existence? and if you did, would you find that they all sing praises to Geohotz that he was the 'First-and-one-and-only-God-Modder' that blessed them with all his knowledge and powers?
There is no way that he is the first modder ever - it is highly improbable that he is the sole figurehead to enable pirates in their piratey pirating piracy. Yarrrrr.

The likelihood is that GeoHotz got his modding knowledge from someone else - passed down by modding communities, and if you think about it, Sony is suing him because he isn't exactly a nobody (but not big enough to fight back; in the possibility that there's a big celebrity that has a modded PS3 - Sony would be even more stupid than they already are if they tried to sue said big celebrity), they really do just want to make an example of GeoHotz - their motive isn't about copyright infringement alone, it is an attempt to control privately owned property thinking they can do that with an ineffective sign pinned to it that says "don't do this, naughty naughty" (thats the EULA of course); and of course, they are indirectly trying to hurt the consumers with this particular legal action.

Your argument is as much belief as the next guy. Sony could be more 'responsible' in the same way you are asserting - it depends on whose position you personally wish to take up first.

I agree with dragontiers:

"I don't appreciate the fact you are attempting to slander my position because you don't agree with me. Please refrain from such personal attacks."

What you are doing IS a personal attack and not a logical argument. Please try again.

 

[Doctor Glocktor]

If GEOHOT wins, the hackers/pirates win and the consumers get screwed.
If Sony wins, the consumers win, and the hackers/pirates are defeated for now.

I admit that Sony isn't completely in the right, and they shouldn't punish good gamers for what the hackers/pirates do, but if GEOHOT wins PSN will be complete anarchy and Sony may take away more features. It is in the best interest of all non-pirate gamers that GEOHOT loses.

If Sony wins, the consumers lose rights to homebrew, but the hackers/pirates lose rights to hack/pirate.

Not really.

If Geohot wins, people have the rights to do what they wish to their property.

Remember, PSN is a service, which Sony has every right to deny to pirates and hackers. I believe the issue is him hacking the PS3 itself, which he has every right to, as its his property.

 

[Actual]

Can't Sony just issue an update in which you have to Accept the TOS or you can't play? And they could add part of it that says that if you hack you can be banned and or sued or something and by agreeing you accept that you agree to any future changes?

They could also issue an update that says you have to sexually molest a chihuahua if you want to play their games, it doesn't make it legally binding.

It should be simple, if you use an aimbot or other third party assisted play software, you are breaking the rules and will be banned from the network.

If you produce and sell third party assisted play software you are making a profit by circumventing a company's DRM and are damaging their profits, you can be sued in a civil court for damages.

If you break the coding on your own console to allow you to play games that you own or install linux or other software that you own you have done nothing wrong, you have negatively impacted no-one, and SONY should just cry moar.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

You pay for it, you agree to the rules and to abide by them. Don't like it? Don't do it.

Yeah but what if they change the rules after you bought it. LOL.

Then they send you another agreement update...