PS3 Hacker Raised All the Legal Funds Needed to Beat Sony in a Weekend

[Decagonapus]

Just want to add my name to the list of people who support GeoHot's efforts. Owners have the right to do whatever they want with the physical material they buy. It's just a computer like any other with memory, processing and storage. Stop treating it like some magical holy device with some special rights and privileges.

If you don't want hackers, then complain to the software developers and the multi-player server admins to make better software and run tighter servers.

And just because some people boot Linux or run unsupported programs doesn't mean they are out to 'pirate' every commercial game ever made and ruin everyone else's multi-player experience.

This kind of customer mistreatment is why I don't own a modern gaming console, use any Apple products or purchase any DRM infused music or games.

 

[angleitaway]

Yeah? Well I honestly don't want hackers fucking up my console. I spent 320 dollars, and the last thing I want is for some dick to come and screw up my multi-player experience.

Homebrew is a good thing, but it's not worth the hacking.

I hope this guy loses, and I hope that Sony permabans any fool who hacks their system.

Microsoft appears to be doing a good job with not allow game hacks ruining multiplayer experiences, I'm also ok with Microsoft or Sony banning hacked consoles from multiplayer. What I'm not ok with is the blanket statement of you calling people fools for hacking their system. If I had the knowledge, I would figure out ways to make the PS3 a true media playing device instead of this limited media machine that claims to do everything. If I were to hack my PS3 to do such a thing, would that make me a fool? However, I will concede that you meant a person was foolish enough to go to an online multiplayer while their console was jailbroken.

There's evidence that Valve does a pretty good job in dealing with hacked multiplayer matches where you can do whatever you want in your own server but for designated servers you are not allowed to have manipulated files. Clearly, there are ways to detect and prevent such things. Sony just has to figure it out.

By the way, look up some old Halo 1 "hacks" for the old Xbox that people did. Some of them are quite hilarious, not foolish from what I saw. Pretty darned clever.

As far as hoping geohot losing, I hope you read the article and understand the implications it would have if Sony actually did win. geohotz comes off as a jerk to me, but him losing means Sony and any other manufacturer will have more control over the things we own.

 

[Quiet Stranger]

I hope he wins, it is our right to do what we want to the PS3 after we buy it, I remember one time when I was delivering Pizza, the people were playing Super Mario All stars on their PS3. They looked like they were having lots of fun, now they can't cause Sony are asshoes

Uh, no they have no right to be playing SMAS on their PS3. No matter if the game is fun, they pirated the game and hacked the console? Thats like double the offense.

If someone pirates a game and says they're having "fun" doesn't suddenly pardon them.

"Hacking" the console isn't automatically illegal. Even with the DMCA in place there's plenty of precedent for things like jailbreaking. It's not "double the offense," it's a single offense. One Sony has no right or recourse to deal with, which is why they're not alleging piracy in Geohot's case.

The best they can do in this case is argue EULA violations and that only goes so far because EULAs are not legally binding and cannot bypass certain rights. The end result is Sony really doesn't want this case to go to court, because the ruling coudl be a serious smack to them.

The game is so old now though, if you bought it at a pawn shop the only one getting money would be the pawn store owner, the companies would no longer be getting the money 9I mean, that's the problem isn't it? With piracy for new things, the creators, like apple or microsoft, or Gearbox or whoever don't get their money?) and they bought it so I think they have every right to hack their PS3, also Hack is such a strong word, like rats, or ****

Yeah, if only there were some new version of SMAS, say released for a contemporary console, one that someone could legally purchase and use.

The argument that it's an old game is kind of silly because there's a contemporary Wii version and Nintendo's still making money off it. The assumption of a lost sale is kind of a silly one, but if you're going to apply it to new releases, you should also apply it to old titles the companies are still milking. Not to mention, Nintendo has made available several of the individual titles for release in multiple formats they're still making money off of.

Why is Nintendo less deserving to make money off this product than Gearbox or Microsoft again?

I'm really only using it as an example, also now that I think about it, SMAS is one kick ass acronym

 

[dalek sec]

You pay for it, you agree to the rules and to abide by them. Don't like it? Don't do it.

This is pretty much my feeling about this whole subject. You don't like it, don't do it. I am so tired of everyone going on and on about the whole "removing OS" deal, just move on already. If you don't like the system, just don't use it then, not like there's no other gaming consoles out there.

 

[Ethman91]

I really don't think they will shut down PSN because of a few pirates. MOST people don't pirate and I probably will never install other OS's on my PS3 because I would be afraid of screwing it up and having to wipe my HD. I agree with the point the guy is making too. You pay for something, you should be allowed to do what ever you want to it. Its yours isn't it? If I buy a car, I don't want Ford to sue me because I put a Chevrolet engine in it.

 

[Tony2077]

i don't care who wins as long as video games keep getting made and with out jail like stuff on the consoles

 

[Darkauthor81]

People like this bother me. "I'm completely against activity X, but here, let me give you a step-by-step guide on how to do activity X. But remember, I'm against it!" It's like writing a book on how to rape a woman, then someone follows your book. You knew it was going to happen, but you did it anyway because it's your "right".

This defiantly falls into the shades of gray. While he is enabling piracy, he's also fighting for our right to use an item we paid for any way we want.

But then again, no one can blame gun makers for gun violence or McDonalds for obesity. He gave them a tool. If they choose to abuse it. That's on them not him.

 

[nipsen]

Like I said in another topic:

If they win they will say "Its just for homebrewing!"

5 days later PSN shuts down due too many hackers and pirates because its 'legal'.

If it does, it will be Sony's loss. Eventually it's going to be possible to use other networks outside Sony's servers anyway. Which will involve client filtering for lag, and real cheater-protection. Unlike what the incompetent idiots are running now.

So whatever Sony decides to do with their own foot, I couldn't care less.

 

[theultimateend]

Like I said in another topic:

If they win they will say "Its just for homebrewing!"

5 days later PSN shuts down due too many hackers and pirates because its 'legal'.

What's the literary term where you basically take the most unlikely worst case scenario that has no real world data to back it up and then use it like it's a fact?

I wanna say "Foxing it." but I think that might not be global enough. Wouldn't want to be US centric.

I really don't think they will shut down PSN because of a few pirates. MOST people don't pirate and I probably will never install other OS's on my PS3 because I would be afraid of screwing it up and having to wipe my HD. I agree with the point the guy is making too. You pay for something, you should be allowed to do what ever you want to it. Its yours isn't it? If I buy a car, I don't want Ford to sue me because I put a Chevrolet engine in it.

I still don't think there has been any actual data driven connection between piracy and lost sales.

I'm not a fan because of personal views (if it isn't worth my money it's not worth my time) but I wish folks would use legitimate reasoning. I agree with your points entirely though, since it would appear that the most pirated titles each year are also the most highly sold ones.

Call of Duty doesn't appear to be imploding upon itself because of Piracy and neither does Starcraft 2. Or any other title, I'm just naming too obvious ones.

 

[Tony2077]

Like I said in another topic:

If they win they will say "Its just for homebrewing!"

5 days later PSN shuts down due too many hackers and pirates because its 'legal'.

What's the literary term where you basically take the most unlikely worst case scenario that has no real world data to back it up and then use it like it's a fact?

I wanna say "Foxing it." but I think that might not be global enough. Wouldn't want to be US centric.

this is just a guess but isn't it bs or something like that

 

[WanderingFool]

I guess my view is that if it someone "hacks" their console, but it in no way bothers me, I dont care.

But someone naswer me this (I dont plan on reading through all 10 pages for a simple answer), if Sony wins, what will happen to a person like me, who has no desire to "hack" their console, and uses it as is?

Also im putting hack in quotation marks as I dont think its the right term, but dont know of a better, all-encompasing term to use.

 

[fenrizz]

I am glad I live in a country where my property is my property.

I own my PS3, and I can (by law) do whatever I want with it.

It's ironic that the Americans are the ones screaming the loudest in support Sony.

I thought property rights where strong over there?
Land of the free indeed.

 

[Drexlor]

I hope he crashes and burns. Hacking should not be legal no matter how it's presented or who is doing it.

 

[Belated]

The Defendant shouldn't NEED money to have a decent chance of winning. People have a right to a fair trial, and the fact that the Plaintiff could win just because the Defendant doesn't have several yacht-fulls of cash goes to show how shite the legal system is. If it was any decent it wouldn't favor the upper class.

 

[witness51]

Solve it with a joust.