I think they just browse the internet. Somehow, almost no other companies have thought of this. I have no idea why.CardinalPiggles said:
PS4 Originally $499, Included Camera Peripheral
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After seeing the debate going on in this thread since page one, if I recall correctly, the one(s) who are taking the 'at least Microsoft stuck to it's camera device' stance are failing to understand one thing: it's not a simple matter of 'well you don't have to use it.' The Kinect camera is, in fact, a requirement, and must be connected to the Xbox One(80) for the system to even function. Even if Sony forced the camera peripheral in their package, the Playstation 4 would still more than likely function just fine without. The Kinect being required to be connected to the Xbox is forcing people to use a piece of hardware they would otherwise have no intention of even looking at. Trying to force people to buy it is one thing, but Microsoft is going a step further by forcing those who purchase the system to use it.
I'm not sure if anyone else has mentioned this in the thread or not, and if someone already did I apologize for not remembering your post. The point is, I don't see 'a lack in confidence' in a device by taking it out of a bundle and allowing the consumer the choice in buying it, and at a reduced cost, no less.
I'm not sure if anyone else has mentioned this in the thread or not, and if someone already did I apologize for not remembering your post. The point is, I don't see 'a lack in confidence' in a device by taking it out of a bundle and allowing the consumer the choice in buying it, and at a reduced cost, no less.
Look, not gonna beat round the bushes (As if Microsoft or Sony hasn't tried) But please please...quit comparing the Xbox one to the PS4. No matter how much you go round it. They are essentially the same thing only with different OS/s running it. That being said. It's all personal choice which one a person wants to go with. *sigh* I remember when consoles used to be cool...
Post edit: Against my better Judgement. I have thrown my towel into the ring. And set my pre order for a Xbox one. And I'll say it again. Once people have had a chance to play with it a bit. They'll quit whining (well, some of us well anyways).
Post post edit: Bump to Jadens Thread. Didn't realize he said the same thing I did just now.
Post edit: Against my better Judgement. I have thrown my towel into the ring. And set my pre order for a Xbox one. And I'll say it again. Once people have had a chance to play with it a bit. They'll quit whining (well, some of us well anyways).
Post post edit: Bump to Jadens Thread. Didn't realize he said the same thing I did just now.
The PS4 just keeps getting iffier and iffier. Probably not gonna get either of the consoles day one. Probably won't ever get an Xbox One (at least until some good exclusives come out to play). Still, giving people the OPTION is what's important here. I don't want a Kinect or any motion control peripheral for that matter. I hardly played the Wii but at least it had some decent games. Pretty much everything else motion control based hasn't been even worth looking into for me. And if that changes, then I'll probably want a motion control device. But why pay an extra 100$ for something that may never happen?
Huh, I was wondering what was going to happen with the eye after the controller reveal that advertised the blue part for use with the camera.
Glad they decided to go this way.
Glad they decided to go this way.
Much like network connectivity, you send a very different message to both customers of your console and the companies making games for it when you make such features optional rather than default and mandatory. Those who choose not to partake can rest assured that they're in the mainstream; the companies that decide to include do so at the peril of losing a portion of that audience.
I tend to feel this is a good thing. The current-generation games that made full use of the Kinect that were better for doing so, by most reckonings, can be counted on one hand; those that did the same with the Playstation Move are even fewer. It's terrific if you have an idea that can make such controls seem like must-have equipment, or even viable; it's a lot less good if you feel somehow obligated to make use of them even if the way in which you do so is gimmicky and half-baked.
Excluding the Eye may have been a savvy, competition-shafting, last-minute kind of move, but I'm not going to pretend I'm disappointed that they did so, however it may have come about. And I'm a lot less convinced than the author that customers will be missing "the full package" for Sony having done so.
I tend to feel this is a good thing. The current-generation games that made full use of the Kinect that were better for doing so, by most reckonings, can be counted on one hand; those that did the same with the Playstation Move are even fewer. It's terrific if you have an idea that can make such controls seem like must-have equipment, or even viable; it's a lot less good if you feel somehow obligated to make use of them even if the way in which you do so is gimmicky and half-baked.
Excluding the Eye may have been a savvy, competition-shafting, last-minute kind of move, but I'm not going to pretend I'm disappointed that they did so, however it may have come about. And I'm a lot less convinced than the author that customers will be missing "the full package" for Sony having done so.
its not them being cowards, its them taking it out so consumers who dont want it arnt paying extra for it which then lowers the price for the PS4 making at affordable, something Microsoft should be doingSonOfVoorhees said:
OT man even after the drm 180 sony continues to roll out punches
Good decision. Kinect/Move is an optional add-on, and by keeping it optional Sony has ensured that developers will not be able to add stupid forced waggle thingies to their games since they cannot rely on everyone having the hardware for it.
Anyone who does want it can just cough up the extra dough, the rest has a cheaper console and no stupid waggling.
Anyone who does want it can just cough up the extra dough, the rest has a cheaper console and no stupid waggling.
The price difference between the PS4 and the Xbox One is only $50 in Australia, I'm not a paranoid dipshit, and I actually like the dashboard commands the Kinect uses. So I'm happy to pay the extra $50 for for a kinect.
To continue the metaphor, that's not just "someone" telling you the answer is wrong -- It's the teacher.SonOfVoorhees said:
You can't forget, those people that are "moaning?" Those are the consumers and if Sony wants this thing to sell well they need to listen to what the consumer wants. It's nice that you value creative expression, but the video game industry is a business and the PS4 is for making money, not creative expression.
What Playstation did here was good business practice. They are trying to keep the consumer happy, and in return, the consumer will buy their product. It's not what Sony wants; it's what the consumer wants.
I'm really annoyed that Microsoft is still sticking by the Kinect. If it were optional, I would buy an Xbone.
That's not the way I see it. I see it as Sony saw the massive backlash against the mandatory Kinect and thought "Oh, seems the gamers don't really like being forced to pay for hardware they don't want. I guess we should make it optional, or we'll piss them off and lose sales."SonOfVoorhees said:
However, I'm not sure of the timings here, so I could be wrong.
The lower price of the PS4 (thanks to the lack of the Eye) helped make it even better than the One in the eyes of the gaming community, so I think Sony might just have the better businessmen on their side.
Eh, what? Was that a troll comment?SonOfVoorhees said:
Sony removed it because they figured that A.) being cheaper than the competition was more important B.) a camera isn't mandatory to play video games, therefore, doesn't need to be included as standard and C.) a great majority of gamers couldn't care less about having a camera on their console anyway.
......why the heck should I have to explain that to someone?