PS4 Originally $499, Included Camera Peripheral

[spartandude]

So Sony chickened out? Did Sony not think their eye thing was any good? Regardless, atleast MS stood up for the kinect as a viable addition, though i hate the kinect. An not acted like a cowardly chicken.

its not them being cowards, its them taking it out so consumers who dont want it arnt paying extra for it which then lowers the price for the PS4 making at affordable, something Microsoft should be doing

OT man even after the drm 180 sony continues to roll out punches

 

[erbkaiser]

Good decision. Kinect/Move is an optional add-on, and by keeping it optional Sony has ensured that developers will not be able to add stupid forced waggle thingies to their games since they cannot rely on everyone having the hardware for it.

Anyone who does want it can just cough up the extra dough, the rest has a cheaper console and no stupid waggling.

 

[erbkaiser]

Anyone else noticing that the Eye only costs 59 bucks and not a hundred?

Did you notice that the camera shown and described is not the current Eye, but a bar with two cameras in it a la WiiU/Kinect? Presumably double the camera = double the precision = (nearly) double the price.

 

[nevarran]

Probably a good decision.
That will discourage the devs from building for the crap tho'. So it will die even faster than the Move did. They may as well ditch it out completely.

 

[Revolutionary]

The price difference between the PS4 and the Xbox One is only $50 in Australia, I'm not a paranoid dipshit, and I actually like the dashboard commands the Kinect uses. So I'm happy to pay the extra $50 for for a kinect.

 

[Steve Waltz]

I hate kinect and have no interest in it at all. But atleast they stood by it. An maybe something will come out of it and make kinect worth while. Sony just backed out because they were scared of the fans when they should be saying "Ok it has eyetoy but this is why the eyetoy will make gaming on ps4 amazing" but nope.

The thing is, with it added as standard. It means better companies with more imagination can make these additions work.

So what you're saying is that Sony should be condemned for bailing on what they felt was a bad idea, and Microsoft should be commended for sticking with it? Cuz hey! The ship's sinking, and I could easily escape and live to sail another day, but nah! I'll die with the ship since sailing it was my idea. That's what you're saying?

Have you ever taken a test, written in an answer, realize it was the wrong one, and then changed it? Or do you see your mistake and think "I could change it, but instead I'll stick with my original answer even though I feel it's the wrong one."?

Because that's as much sense as you're making right now.

Speaking of "at least microsoft sticks with their decisions," how's that "24-hour check-in" decision working for them? Are they still sticking by that one, or are you breaking their balls for backing out of it?

Now you exam thing doesnt work. It would be more like you write an answer and some one says thats wrong, this is the correct answer. What do you do? Believe that you were correct and your answer is correct. Or change it just because some one else said your answer is wrong?

I agree what you said and why sony changed. But i think sony changed everything to be 100% against every bad choice that MS made. Now i agree that is a good idea when selling a machine and a multi million pound investment. I just think they didnt have to kill of the eye toy as well.

To continue the metaphor, that's not just "someone" telling you the answer is wrong -- It's the teacher.

You can't forget, those people that are "moaning?" Those are the consumers and if Sony wants this thing to sell well they need to listen to what the consumer wants. It's nice that you value creative expression, but the video game industry is a business and the PS4 is for making money, not creative expression.

What Playstation did here was good business practice. They are trying to keep the consumer happy, and in return, the consumer will buy their product. It's not what Sony wants; it's what the consumer wants.

 

[A Curious Fellow]

I'm really annoyed that Microsoft is still sticking by the Kinect. If it were optional, I would buy an Xbone.

 

[Techno Squidgy]

So Sony chickened out? Did Sony not think their eye thing was any good? Regardless, atleast MS stood up for the kinect as a viable addition, though i hate the kinect. An not acted like a cowardly chicken.

That's not the way I see it. I see it as Sony saw the massive backlash against the mandatory Kinect and thought "Oh, seems the gamers don't really like being forced to pay for hardware they don't want. I guess we should make it optional, or we'll piss them off and lose sales."

However, I'm not sure of the timings here, so I could be wrong.

The lower price of the PS4 (thanks to the lack of the Eye) helped make it even better than the One in the eyes of the gaming community, so I think Sony might just have the better businessmen on their side.

 

[Terramax]

So Sony chickened out? Did Sony not think their eye thing was any good? Regardless, atleast MS stood up for the kinect as a viable addition, though i hate the kinect. An not acted like a cowardly chicken.

Eh, what? Was that a troll comment?

Sony removed it because they figured that A.) being cheaper than the competition was more important B.) a camera isn't mandatory to play video games, therefore, doesn't need to be included as standard and C.) a great majority of gamers couldn't care less about having a camera on their console anyway.

......why the heck should I have to explain that to someone?

 

[RJ 17]

It's now been revealed, however, that the PlayStation 4's lower price may have come at a cost ... The PS4's controller has earlier been reported to possess built-in features reliant on the PlayStation 4 Eye, including things like controller identification and player tracking. Without the Eye the PS4's controller will lose that functionality, at least until a player decides to pony up the dough and complete the PS4 package.

If that's the "price" for getting a cheaper console that doesn't have an accessory that some customers may not want, then it's a price that I'd happily pay...or not pay, as it were.

Beyond forcing a price increase, the creepiness of the Kinect is the last thing that's keeping me (and I'd imagine a good deal of my fellow gamers) from having any interest in the XBone. Indeed, if we can turn the Kinect off any time we want.....why force it onto us in the first place? It's a failed product that no one bought when you first launched it for the 360, so tacking a failed product onto your new console and thereby forcing a price increase for your new console is like tying a couple cinderblocks to the legs of a man who's already drowning. In all honesty, now that they've gotten rid of the DRM and used game restrictions, if they got rid of the mandatory Kinect too I'd likely get a new Xbox over a PS4.

 

[RJ 17]

No it doesnt fit at all. DRM, wrong answer. No used games, wrong answer. These fit your thing. But. Now im not saying kinect or eyetoy is great at all. Both have failed.

Soooo, keeping with the test analogy...doesn't that mean that the Kinect has already proven itself to be the "wrong answer"?

Forcing a failed product onto people won't make them suddenly enjoy it, no matter what games are made for it. The problem with the Kinect wasn't the games that were made for it, the problem with the Kinect was...that it was the Kinect. Quite simply: failed product is failed. Tying your new console to a product that's been proven as a failure is a horrible idea, and NOT one worthy of praise just for sticking to your guns.

 

[Rect Pola]

Meh, still cheaper