PS4 vs. PC side-by-side comparison in Unreal Engine 4
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Anyone else asking a very clear question here, what spec is the PC running? The OP suggest that the GPU in it is half the cost of the PS4, but I question the OPs info and clear bias towards the PC. Well let me clarify it with 30 seconds of google.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-unreal-engine-4-ps4-vs-pc
The PC spec is a fucking
Core I7 alongside a 680GTX
I have to ask OP, did you exclude this info to rally the attack against the consoles, the info is freely out there and like I said took me less than 30 seconds to find?
A Core I7 and a 680GTX is not half the expected price of the PS4 it is nearly twice the price the 680GTX alone is more than the expected retail price of the PS4 coming in at £400 for the cheapest model that I could find?
So what the demo ACTUALLY shows is the new hardware bring a pretty good fight to the much much more expensive PC hardware.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-unreal-engine-4-ps4-vs-pc
The PC spec is a fucking
Core I7 alongside a 680GTX
I have to ask OP, did you exclude this info to rally the attack against the consoles, the info is freely out there and like I said took me less than 30 seconds to find?
A Core I7 and a 680GTX is not half the expected price of the PS4 it is nearly twice the price the 680GTX alone is more than the expected retail price of the PS4 coming in at £400 for the cheapest model that I could find?
So what the demo ACTUALLY shows is the new hardware bring a pretty good fight to the much much more expensive PC hardware.
Consoles are single purpose machines. You play games on them and maybe watch Netflix. PCs are multi-purpose machines so of course they are going to be more expensive and especially if they can't make the cost of the console back with the price of games. It's like comparing a motorcycle to an average sedan, motorcycle is faster and way better experience but most people need some other vehicle for day to day life. Comparing a single purpose machine to a multi-purpose one, with very little else in common, is disingenuous at best.Laughing Man said:
Not this one. Especially as if I wanted a gaming PC or a PC period, I would just build one, like the one I'm using now.Forlong said:
This tech demo ran using the 680GTX, and that is somehow half the cost of the PS4? Get a grip OP. If anything this is showing how well the PS4 can hold it's own against very expensive hardware. The PS4 is never going to beat a high-end PC in graphical prowess, but as many people have pointed out, it doesn't need to.
What the hell does "the PC" mean?
There are thousands of combinations of processors, motherboards, GPUs, power supplies, solid state drive or hard state drives. Did they strap together 50 GPUs with a custom operating system to handle them all and then immerse them in a aquarium filled with mineral water for coolant when they overclock everything? Are they running it off of a geforce 7 series from 6 years ago? Are they running on a commodore with 64 kb of memory?
There are thousands of combinations of processors, motherboards, GPUs, power supplies, solid state drive or hard state drives. Did they strap together 50 GPUs with a custom operating system to handle them all and then immerse them in a aquarium filled with mineral water for coolant when they overclock everything? Are they running it off of a geforce 7 series from 6 years ago? Are they running on a commodore with 64 kb of memory?
Anyone expecting a $400-500 console to keep up with a $1200+ PC needs to wake up and smell the coffee.
Current-gen consoles have made everybody realize that consoles DON'T need crazy specs to last for years and years. It's all about giving developers breathing room and freedom to push games further, but consoles haven't been graphics powerhouses for a LONG TIME since consumer-grade graphics cards entered the PC market!
PS4 is more than good enough to give devs that freedom and future expansion.
> i3/i5/i7 Sandy or Ivy Bridge CPU (difference in gaming performance is quite small between them)
> GTX660 / HD7870 for midrange
> GTX680 / HD7970 for high-end
> 680 SLI / 7970 XFire for extreme-end
Current-gen consoles have made everybody realize that consoles DON'T need crazy specs to last for years and years. It's all about giving developers breathing room and freedom to push games further, but consoles haven't been graphics powerhouses for a LONG TIME since consumer-grade graphics cards entered the PC market!
PS4 is more than good enough to give devs that freedom and future expansion.
You seem a bit unfamiliar with current gen gaming PC's. Firstly motherboard/PSU/SSD/HDD are irrelevant to performance. Secondly there are actually not very many combinations with modern-day gaming PC's. You can most commonly expect to see stuff like:Mycroft Holmes said:
> i3/i5/i7 Sandy or Ivy Bridge CPU (difference in gaming performance is quite small between them)
> GTX660 / HD7870 for midrange
> GTX680 / HD7970 for high-end
> 680 SLI / 7970 XFire for extreme-end
Dat depth of field! :O
Having not been a PC gamer since Oblivion came out (and having a shitty mid-low range tower to play it on) I'm amazed at what current gen PCs can do.
Having not been a PC gamer since Oblivion came out (and having a shitty mid-low range tower to play it on) I'm amazed at what current gen PCs can do.
For me it's panning back & forth on which looks slightly better. In the end, I just wish I'd had my sunglasses on.
In the end, the only thing that matters is whether you're more comfortable with a joypad or a mouse & keyboard (& in the end, both hurt anyway).
In the end, the only thing that matters is whether you're more comfortable with a joypad or a mouse & keyboard (& in the end, both hurt anyway).
That's not even true at all. Older motherboards don't have the proper slots for newer GPUs and memory sticks. So having an old motherboard is an automatic blow to your ability to have a high performance computer. If your power supply doesn't have enough wattage for your setup, your computer wont perform much at all. And overclocking your PC requires a higher wattage PSU. Also SSDs are quite noticeably way faster at data access than HDD which allows it to pull up information faster, and thus load anything installed on it faster. If you have to grab new data it can find it more quickly which can effect the performance of games that don't save everything in working memory. In fact Treyarch whined about the fact that they couldn't add too many more weapons to black ops 2 without slowing it down for exactly that reason.Yuuki said:
You seem a bit unfamiliar with how computers work in general. Just because the GPU and the processor are the main workhorse parts doesn't make the other pieces "irrelevant."
I'll tell you what. You build a high end performance PC with a 145 watt PSU, and a Shuttle AK32 VIA KT266 mobo. And then I will admit that those pieces are irrelevant.
Oh good because the thread said PS4 vs Modern PC... oh wait no it didn't.Yuuki said:
Consoles will always be underpowered compared with PCs. Why? Because they *have* to come in at a £200 price point, or no one will buy them. £200 for an entire console often means console manufacturers will take a loss on hardware sales and make it back on game sales.
Think about the PC you'd get for £200 (just the computer, not peripherals). My GFX card alone costs more than that, my processor 3/4 of that, etc. It's disappointing that the PS4 is just the same thing again with slightly increased numbers, you'd have thought they'd at least *try* to innovate. But this is completely expected and par for the course.
The tragedy is that all our gaming PCs power is wasted as the vast majority of games we get are shitty console ports. In the case of Dead Space 3, they didn't optimise or change a single thing for the PC port, so lazy were they. Despite the power of our computers, we get games designed for 256MB RAM and shitty 2005 graphics because that's what current gen hardware developers code for.
I miss the days when Epic, iD and others would constantly be releasing the most demanding games, games which kept up with and were in constant battle against each new GFX card generation. Each pushed boundaries and strove to be the most technically brilliant and visually exciting. Now they just desaturate every game, paint them grey or brown, blur the textures and call it "art style".
Think about the PC you'd get for £200 (just the computer, not peripherals). My GFX card alone costs more than that, my processor 3/4 of that, etc. It's disappointing that the PS4 is just the same thing again with slightly increased numbers, you'd have thought they'd at least *try* to innovate. But this is completely expected and par for the course.
The tragedy is that all our gaming PCs power is wasted as the vast majority of games we get are shitty console ports. In the case of Dead Space 3, they didn't optimise or change a single thing for the PC port, so lazy were they. Despite the power of our computers, we get games designed for 256MB RAM and shitty 2005 graphics because that's what current gen hardware developers code for.
I miss the days when Epic, iD and others would constantly be releasing the most demanding games, games which kept up with and were in constant battle against each new GFX card generation. Each pushed boundaries and strove to be the most technically brilliant and visually exciting. Now they just desaturate every game, paint them grey or brown, blur the textures and call it "art style".
I'm a PC advocate and I'm glad you're defending them, but the man is right here. He's not suggesting not having them at all, or having wholly inappropriate components. What he's pointing out is the direct impact on games performance. Assuming a game runs "fine" on a particular hardware platform, using a slightly faster hard drive, juicier PSU or shiner mobo will have no impact on gaming performance. Whereas increasing GPU or CPU horsepower will, with RAM a distant 3rd.Mycroft Holmes said:
And HDD performance has negligible impact on performance and frame rates. The best that can be expected from a hard drive upgrade is faster load times. Frame rates will be largely unaffected. This is because maps, objects and textures are loaded into the RAM of GFX cards and painted from there (sometimes "without loading screens" as some games proudly exclaim, but usually with). This is why maps are so small in games now and loading screens so numerous...the pathetic RAM of current consoles and the fact games are designed for the lowest-common denominator, means even with 2GB GFX cards on the PC, we still have maps and textures that take up no more than 256MB (because of the PS3) before a loading screen gives us that next lot.
Words have meaning and he ought to learn them. Irrelevant: "Not connected with or relevant to something."KingsGambit said:
That was his stated argument against me and it was an undeniably false argument. I have shown all stated points to be connected to performance no matter how tangentially so. And to cite one; having a more powerful fan and a more powerful PSU can have a big effect on the performance of a computer if you know how to overclock it properly.
Also direct versus indirect is irrelevant. It's like when the ancient Romans left babies out in the wilderness to die because it would be dishonorable to directly kill the child, like doing it indirectly is so much better for the child. Indirectly giving your computer a proper level of performance has the exact same effect as directly doing so.
I basically see diminishing returns also how much more money would I have to pay for the PC to look slightly better than the PS4?
Im not intending to get an answer yet as we dont even know what the PS4 costs but this is a question I will be asking when the details are known because I wouldnt pay twice as much for something slightly better while if it is only slightly more then the PS4 has shot itself in the foot. In the past my consoles have always aged better than my PC and proved a much cheaper option in the short and long term for playing games at a decent graphical level that increases without me having to do anything as it becomes more and more optimised.
Now games yes people compare games between the two but I usually find its the (higher specced) PC users comparing to the consoles rather than the other way around as if to say how superior the PC is for some reason which is obvious as its continually evolving but then ironically a lot of games are made with the consoles in mind as thats where the market is, so it seems most people dont care what is the superior machine so much as what they get for their money.
Im not intending to get an answer yet as we dont even know what the PS4 costs but this is a question I will be asking when the details are known because I wouldnt pay twice as much for something slightly better while if it is only slightly more then the PS4 has shot itself in the foot. In the past my consoles have always aged better than my PC and proved a much cheaper option in the short and long term for playing games at a decent graphical level that increases without me having to do anything as it becomes more and more optimised.
I have never heard someone seriously compare their console to a PC and if I did I would slap them for their stupidity one is primarily a works machine but is also remarkably adept at multi tasking as well as pretty open in architecture and software while the other is designed purely for entertainment most notably through games and is a closed machine with limits to what you can do with it.Forlong said:
Now games yes people compare games between the two but I usually find its the (higher specced) PC users comparing to the consoles rather than the other way around as if to say how superior the PC is for some reason which is obvious as its continually evolving but then ironically a lot of games are made with the consoles in mind as thats where the market is, so it seems most people dont care what is the superior machine so much as what they get for their money.
I really didn't notice a difference. There were a couple times when I thought the PC version looked better and a couple times when I thought the PS4 version looked better.
Besides, it's not the graphics I care about, it's the games. Sony always seems to deliver the best exclusives IMO and I doubt this generation will be any different.
Besides, it's not the graphics I care about, it's the games. Sony always seems to deliver the best exclusives IMO and I doubt this generation will be any different.
Unless we know what was in the PC it's running on it';s not worth getting in a fuss over. I'll say that the particles and shadows were much more fanciful on the PC but I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess it's being demoed on a pretty high spec build. Outperforming the PS4 won't be too difficult or expensive though if you build your own PC, I'd say an FX 8450 and HD 7870 would probably be a prettier experience in most games.XMark said:
Much like battlefield 4 was shown running on a Radeon HD 7990, which is an £800 card. They're both pretty and the PS4 will be a step up next gen, though I 'm investing in my PC first becasue frankly I need more from it for editing and streaming. I'll likely grab a PS4 further down the line for exclusives. Have a Wii U, pretty fun machine, needs more damn games though.
I don't really see what the huff is about.
To me both versions in the OPs Post look good. Yes, PC looks better, but to what degree?
Granted, if you are a graphics affectionado, and really want top-notch-graphics, you will want to go PC. But for me personally, Games passed the point where I am able to spot graphical improvements easily. It all looks good enough to enjoy in the games.
To me both versions in the OPs Post look good. Yes, PC looks better, but to what degree?
Granted, if you are a graphics affectionado, and really want top-notch-graphics, you will want to go PC. But for me personally, Games passed the point where I am able to spot graphical improvements easily. It all looks good enough to enjoy in the games.
Anyone who thought that a $400-500 console can beat a high-end PC in a power contest is delusional.
There is a huge difference between the hardware industry from the N64 era and now. Hardware is growing stronger with each year faster than ever and excepting the big 3 to have hardware on par with a high-end PC is too much. Remember, they need to sell those things. And they will be selling them at a loss even as it is. Adding more losses would be a suicidal business practice.
If Sony keeps selling at a huge loss like it did with the PS3, it won't be long before they are forced to drop out. MS isn't even a bit dedicated to gaming like Sony, so they have even less reason to keep working at a loss. Nintendo has no other division to fall back like Sony and MS have, so they can't allow themselves to sell at any bigger loss.
So yeah, PC>Consoles as for hardware power is obvious.
There is a huge difference between the hardware industry from the N64 era and now. Hardware is growing stronger with each year faster than ever and excepting the big 3 to have hardware on par with a high-end PC is too much. Remember, they need to sell those things. And they will be selling them at a loss even as it is. Adding more losses would be a suicidal business practice.
If Sony keeps selling at a huge loss like it did with the PS3, it won't be long before they are forced to drop out. MS isn't even a bit dedicated to gaming like Sony, so they have even less reason to keep working at a loss. Nintendo has no other division to fall back like Sony and MS have, so they can't allow themselves to sell at any bigger loss.
So yeah, PC>Consoles as for hardware power is obvious.
A thread completely dedicated to stating the obvious, brilliant :-\
and before anyone throws the fanboy card at me, im lucky enough to have a pretty decent pc rig aswell as all the current gen consoles, but this threads purpose eludes me.
I've yet to find - online, in the vast number of popular forums I frequent - a console fan, moreso a PS fan who has claimed PS4 superiority to a current gen PC IN any ASPECT. And judging from some of the replies from TE's "elite pc gaming master race", it seems some of you are missing the point of consoles altogether.
Everyone - console and pc gamers - know that PC power is superior, there isn't a single PS4 fan disputing this. What's the sympathy for? People who DON'T want to play socially on PC's because of stink attitudes like yours..well..no sympathy needed really? PC gamers don't need to keep stating how superior the PC is, because no ones arguing with you in the first place, it just screams butt hurt to do so.
Thing is (this is directly to the PC gaming snobs not anyone who plays on a pc - like me), a lot of Console gamers don't give a fuck about what their favourite games look like on a high powered PC, they don't have one... their friends don't have one... it's irrelevant, we have fun. End.
A thread like this stinks of some sort of Butthurt-y-ness, but I can't for the life of me understand why.
"To those who expected to be blown away by the PS4 (and with performance, not porridge) I express my deepest sympathies.."
- well keep your sympathies, because graphics play only a little PART of what blows most people away when playing a game, do you think guys who played Uncharted 2 were bummed out whilst hurtling though the Train section because of how awesome the battlefield 3 trailer looked? I sure as fuck didn't give a rats ass. Do you think the first time I called in a Predator Missile in MW2, I was bummed out that it wasn't running at 120 frames a second? YEAAAAHHNO, son I wasn't. You see after all the threads like these, ive come to realize one thing;
Console gamers are now the truest form of gamer there is, they're the guys that find the FUN in any given situation, do they have the best hardware? no. The cleanest pictures and frames? NO. Can they alter the fucking config files and spawn red AK's instead of black/brown ones? No. Do PS3 gamers preach inferiority over N64 users , well ..no. Know why?
BECAUSE WE CONSOLE GAMERS DONT MAKE THE HABIT OF STATING THE FUCKING OBVIOUS AT EVERY - PC LOVING - TURN.
Does ps4 use older generation hardware? Oh it does! Then what the fuck are you comparing to INFINITLY MORE customizable hardware for?
/endrant.
and before anyone throws the fanboy card at me, im lucky enough to have a pretty decent pc rig aswell as all the current gen consoles, but this threads purpose eludes me.
I've yet to find - online, in the vast number of popular forums I frequent - a console fan, moreso a PS fan who has claimed PS4 superiority to a current gen PC IN any ASPECT. And judging from some of the replies from TE's "elite pc gaming master race", it seems some of you are missing the point of consoles altogether.
Everyone - console and pc gamers - know that PC power is superior, there isn't a single PS4 fan disputing this. What's the sympathy for? People who DON'T want to play socially on PC's because of stink attitudes like yours..well..no sympathy needed really? PC gamers don't need to keep stating how superior the PC is, because no ones arguing with you in the first place, it just screams butt hurt to do so.
Thing is (this is directly to the PC gaming snobs not anyone who plays on a pc - like me), a lot of Console gamers don't give a fuck about what their favourite games look like on a high powered PC, they don't have one... their friends don't have one... it's irrelevant, we have fun. End.
A thread like this stinks of some sort of Butthurt-y-ness, but I can't for the life of me understand why.
"To those who expected to be blown away by the PS4 (and with performance, not porridge) I express my deepest sympathies.."
- well keep your sympathies, because graphics play only a little PART of what blows most people away when playing a game, do you think guys who played Uncharted 2 were bummed out whilst hurtling though the Train section because of how awesome the battlefield 3 trailer looked? I sure as fuck didn't give a rats ass. Do you think the first time I called in a Predator Missile in MW2, I was bummed out that it wasn't running at 120 frames a second? YEAAAAHHNO, son I wasn't. You see after all the threads like these, ive come to realize one thing;
Console gamers are now the truest form of gamer there is, they're the guys that find the FUN in any given situation, do they have the best hardware? no. The cleanest pictures and frames? NO. Can they alter the fucking config files and spawn red AK's instead of black/brown ones? No. Do PS3 gamers preach inferiority over N64 users , well ..no. Know why?
BECAUSE WE CONSOLE GAMERS DONT MAKE THE HABIT OF STATING THE FUCKING OBVIOUS AT EVERY - PC LOVING - TURN.
Does ps4 use older generation hardware? Oh it does! Then what the fuck are you comparing to INFINITLY MORE customizable hardware for?
/endrant.