I was starting to get hyped for this console, but now this happens...
The choice of buying a PS4 early or not is getting harder.
The choice of buying a PS4 early or not is getting harder.
PSN Games Won't Transfer to PS4
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Let's clear out all the old games, then get people to buy them again on the new system. What's really sad are all the posters who have no problem with this. I guess the pc will archive all the old console games, so no worries. Keep on shooting Sony, you'll hit your foot one of these days.
Since it's shaping up to have some seemingly good looking launch titles, I'm ok with this. Especially since they will be available eventually.
Backwards compatibility isn't so much of an issue these days, especially since the generation gap between system X and system X+1 is getting larger with each release.
When the Gamecube came out, the tech was so much more advanced than the N64, that it wouldn't make sense to make N64 games playable on the Gamecube. When the Wii was released, the technology gap wasn't as large as the gap between the N64 and the Gamecube, so allowing Gamecube games to be played on the Wii was not a big deal at all. Just a little hardware tweaking and adjusting, and you can play all your old Gamecube games on your Wii. I'm not positive, but it wouldn't surprise me if you could even play Gamecube games on the Wii U.
Sony on the other hand, shits the bed on this every single time. A lot of PS1 games couldn't play on the PS2 because of "hardware", same with a lot of PS2 games on the PS3. I remember a friend trying to play Kingdom Hearts 1 on his PS3 and the saves getting corrupted every second day, it was hilarious and sad at the same time.
I think it would be great if developers would just allow you to create an account with them, and save all your files and games to that account. Whenever you purchase a game, a digital copy comes with it and is instantly saved to that account. You can then use this account for any system they create, you just use the digital copy from that account. One downside to this, is that if you lose access to your account somehow, you're fucked. Another downside would be sharing, it would have to be set up so you can't just transfer your account to other systems and then share all your games to that console. But thats just thinking about how many feathers an unhatched chick will have.
Overall, I'm not surprised that PS4 will be stupid with the PSN.
When the Gamecube came out, the tech was so much more advanced than the N64, that it wouldn't make sense to make N64 games playable on the Gamecube. When the Wii was released, the technology gap wasn't as large as the gap between the N64 and the Gamecube, so allowing Gamecube games to be played on the Wii was not a big deal at all. Just a little hardware tweaking and adjusting, and you can play all your old Gamecube games on your Wii. I'm not positive, but it wouldn't surprise me if you could even play Gamecube games on the Wii U.
Sony on the other hand, shits the bed on this every single time. A lot of PS1 games couldn't play on the PS2 because of "hardware", same with a lot of PS2 games on the PS3. I remember a friend trying to play Kingdom Hearts 1 on his PS3 and the saves getting corrupted every second day, it was hilarious and sad at the same time.
I think it would be great if developers would just allow you to create an account with them, and save all your files and games to that account. Whenever you purchase a game, a digital copy comes with it and is instantly saved to that account. You can then use this account for any system they create, you just use the digital copy from that account. One downside to this, is that if you lose access to your account somehow, you're fucked. Another downside would be sharing, it would have to be set up so you can't just transfer your account to other systems and then share all your games to that console. But thats just thinking about how many feathers an unhatched chick will have.
Overall, I'm not surprised that PS4 will be stupid with the PSN.
We'll you're 100% in the minority. You're trying to protect your virtual achievements and your account (I can understand the account bit). Most people don't care about trophies. What they do care about is their own financial investments in games that they've bought. I buy a game for the PS3, I still want to play it for years and years.Capitano Segnaposto said:
Who wants to keep their PS3 when buying a PS4? That's stupid. The PS4 will clearly be able to run PS3 games (gameplay wise), they've announced the streaming service where you'll be able to stream PS3 games. A lot of people bought a lot of games on the PSN, and they shouldn't lose them. I can understand not being able to play PS3 games (as in to run off of disks). The consoles are too different and I accept that. But digital downloads are different.
Thaaaat suuuucks aaaass!
I know this can be seen as a small issue, but all these small issues, like backwards compatability, keep compounding on one another till it becomes a giant swarm of annoyance.
You'd better bring the bacon but good, Sony, if you want me to look past this.
I know this can be seen as a small issue, but all these small issues, like backwards compatability, keep compounding on one another till it becomes a giant swarm of annoyance.
You'd better bring the bacon but good, Sony, if you want me to look past this.
Well that settles it. If I ever do get a PS4, it'll be waaaay down the line after a price drop. Nothing shown at that announcement last night really wowed me anyway.
The lack of backwards compatibility I can somewhat understand(but if they expect people to repurchase games they already own they can go straight to hell)but not getting to keep all our PSN games is complete bullshit. Instead we get Facebook integration, a service I'll never use.
Woo hoo.
The lack of backwards compatibility I can somewhat understand(but if they expect people to repurchase games they already own they can go straight to hell)but not getting to keep all our PSN games is complete bullshit. Instead we get Facebook integration, a service I'll never use.
Woo hoo.
Hell yeah. Hopefully we get some good PS3, Xbox 360, and Wii emulators for PC so we can finally replay (or play) all those games.fwiffo said:
I think this is the generation where I leave the consoles. I've been trying to hang on to my 360 and my Wii but I just can't gather much enthusiasm for the PS4 or Wii U. Sure the games look good, but the companies are throwing away their player base by not transferring digital purchases/inviting people to buy them again (I'm looking at you Wii U virtual console) while digital downloads are a huge part of this past generation.
I guess Sony is telling people that they'll have PSN transfers eventually. That's ok.
I think the last straw will be if Microsoft doesn't allow for transferring from the 360 to whatever the hell they're making. I've had a 360 for 5-6 years and I've probably bought hundreds of dollars worth of Downloadable materials.
The only reason I bought a PS3 was for the older games I enjoyed way back when. I don't wish to re-purchase them. And I'm still waiting on Secret Of Mana and Secret Of Evermore. So, for the time being...
Not all of us have hyper-cubes on our TV sets with which to store mountains upon mountains of outdated hardware just so we can enjoy our favorite old games.kiri2tsubasa said:
Hell, even NINTENDO, notorious for a perceived disconnect with the "hardcore" crowd got this right; clunky though their system transfer may be.
While no one here has any concrete statistics, clearly, I'd estimate that you *are* in the minority.Capitano Segnaposto said:
The book/music comparison is a weak one, because those don't take up much space, and themselves aren't media platforms, they're media itself.
A more apt comparison would be a music player, like an ipod. Generally, when a new ipod comes out, it can play all your old songs. You don't need to switch to your old ipod just to hear the songs you bought last year. It's the same concept. why should we have to clutter our TVs with all these plastic boxes to play old software? I only have so much shelf space, and I'll be damned if I have to wrench out my tv to rearrange wires every time I want to play Little Big Planet. I can probably deal with it this generation, but if the trend continues I won't be able to for the next.
It's a principal of convenience, something Sony's development team seems to have deemed not worth the cost, around the PS3's 2nd iteration.
Lets see...
No backwards compatability
Boring as hell games(seriously, Destiny looks like another bland generic FPS to me)
No playing games from PSN.
Makes it very hard to get games from the PS1 days that port to the PSP(seriously, SCEA is the only company that pulls this crap in the industry)
Didn't get that $10 voucher for being a "loyal" customer despite the fact that I've bought quite a lot for my PS3 and have games up the wazoo on my PSN.
Never gotton a beta invite to any game
Looks like I'm not getting a PS4.
No backwards compatability
Boring as hell games(seriously, Destiny looks like another bland generic FPS to me)
No playing games from PSN.
Makes it very hard to get games from the PS1 days that port to the PSP(seriously, SCEA is the only company that pulls this crap in the industry)
Didn't get that $10 voucher for being a "loyal" customer despite the fact that I've bought quite a lot for my PS3 and have games up the wazoo on my PSN.
Never gotton a beta invite to any game
Looks like I'm not getting a PS4.
My ps3 still works so ill live. I just hope psn plus hooks me up with a hearty ps4 instant game collection around launch and continues to treat me as they did with ps3's premium offerings.
Well that's the news I was waiting for. It at least means I won't be an early adopter. If they don't give the option to play the old games I got on PSN then I may just skip this console generation and stick with the PC.
Well digital distribution is mastered by Steam so all digital systems will be compared to that. I don't care so much on my PlayStation but if I can't play my arcade games on the new Xbox, it will be a long time before I would consider getting a new console, and it would guarantee that I would never buy any digital content on that platform again.Zombie_Moogle said:
"Eventually, some PS3 titles will make the jump, but only ones that the PS4 can emulate without radically overstretching its processor."
This is worrying, considering there are already functional PC emulators out there for PS3, this means either PS4 is not very powerful or Sony is telling some major porkies
This is inexcusable considering the number of PSN games that are just emulations to PS3 you just need to emulate to PS4 instead.
Also, what kind of price are we paying for a game that will start with NO back catalogue, not even PSN games?!?!
This is worrying, considering there are already functional PC emulators out there for PS3, this means either PS4 is not very powerful or Sony is telling some major porkies
This is inexcusable considering the number of PSN games that are just emulations to PS3 you just need to emulate to PS4 instead.
Also, what kind of price are we paying for a game that will start with NO back catalogue, not even PSN games?!?!
This is kinda an issue since it seems incredibly stupid for Sony to do this, but not an issue really for me since I have one PS3 for disc games and another for downloadable games.
Yes, I have two PS3's for 2 different types of games.
Yes, I have two PS3's for 2 different types of games.
On the one hand backwards compatibility is nice and always useful as a space saving measure but on the other at least there not promising something now which they later remove or never add which I think they want to avoid after having to remove the ps3's backwards compatibility and the fuss that would cause as everyone rages over it's loss, best to take the PR hit so no one has any false ideas but still non-ps3 PSN games should be a priority transfer.