Question for the Transgenders here.

[WindKnight]

@Lunatic: can you actually back up your claim that it is almost exclusively used as a slur and is most known for being one?

I first saw it years ago and saw it used for years with no controversy. Seems like certain over sensitive people then heard it used on tumblr and felt offended for no real reason and have created an absurd and false narrative about it being a slur.

Well, they like having a monopoly on deciding what terms get used to describe others, when someone decides a term to describe them, and they get upset and offended.

And instead of considering that maybe this is how other people feel like when they do it, and maybe they should stop doing it, they want everybody else to consider their feelings and stop it right now and still be ok with them doing it.

 

[The Lunatic]

@Lunatic: can you actually back up your claim that it is almost exclusively used as a slur and is most known for being one?

I first saw it years ago and saw it used for years with no controversy. Seems like certain over sensitive people then heard it used on tumblr and felt offended for no real reason and have created an absurd and false narrative about it being a slur.

Can you actually back up the claim that "Transgendered" is a slur and is almost exclusively used as such as is known as one?

Seems like a certain over sensitive people heard it on Pol, felt offended for no real reason and have created and absurd and false narrative about it being a slur.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

That's interesting, Lunatic. I never claimed anything was a slur. So you can't actually defend your position and can only fight strawmen? I think that settles this, don't you? It would seem you're just making things up based in how you *feel* the situation is. I simply asked for evidence of your claims and you try to deflect by attacking something I haven't even commented on!

 

[The Lunatic]

That's interesting, Lunatic. I never claimed anything was a slur. So you can't actually defend your position and can only fight strawmen? I think that settles this, don't you?

You asked me to prove something impossible.

I can speak in generality, I can reference posts from social media and such which go back 4 years talking about how "Cis" is seemingly used as a slur. However, ultimately, I can't speak for everyone and was only referring to my encounters with it and what people I see seem to think of the matter.

Just as in the same amount, people getting upset over the word "Transgendered" can't actually prove that it's definitely a slur and isn't used mostly as an insult. It's an argument of equivalence. You do not seem to take such umbrage with people claiming "Transgendered" is a slur, why is that?


If you ask questions that can't be answered, you'll not get answers.
If you ask reasonable questions, you might do.


I'd suggest trying that next time.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

It's not my fault if you choose to make unprovable claims, now is it? If you claim it's impossible to prove then why should anyone believe you?

That's untrue. You did more than just speak about you own encounters. You claimed it was mostly exclusively used as a slur. That's not just about your personal experience that's a far broader claim. You claimed it was most known for that. That's talking about how other people know it, not just you. Now you backtrack and claim you were just speaking about your experience but that's not what your first post actually says.

I asked a reasonable question. You just made an unreasonable claim. You seem to not realize that you're not entitled to easy questions when you make claims you can't prove.

 

[The Lunatic]

It's not my fault if you choose to make unprovable claims, now is it? If you claim it's impossible to prove then why should anyone believe you?

That's untrue. You did more than just speak about you own encounters. You claimed it was mostly exclusively used as a slur. That's not just about your personal experience that's a far broader claim. You claimed it was most known for that. That's talking about how other people know it, not just you. Now you backtrack and claim you were just speaking about your experience but that's not what your first post actually says.

I asked a reasonable question. You just made an unreasonable claim. You seem to not realize that you're not entitled to easy questions when you make claims you can't prove.

It's fairly obvious that an opinion posted on this forum is just that, my opinion.

I don't really feel the need to state "At least, in my opinion" or " At least, so I've seen".

Either way, you're failing to answer why it is that you seem to be so upset at me making such a claim whilst not taking the same attitude towards the other claims in this thread.

Why is that?

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

Yes it's an opinion. That doesn't mean your opinion isn't absurdly overreaching and that people can't ask you for proof when you make claims about things you can't possibly know to be true since apparently you think they're impossible to prove.

Just because its an opinion doesn't mean it isn't an absurd claim. Which it appears it was, a claim purely based off of feelings with no facts to back up the idea that it is MOSTLY used a certain way and most known for that usage. See, there's a big gap between "I see lots of people using it like this" and "It's almost exclusively used like this!" You claimed the former and are trying to backtrack to the latter.

 

[The Lunatic]

Yes it's an opinion. That doesn't mean your opinion isn't absurdly overreaching and that people can't ask you for proof when you make claims about things you can't possibly know to be true since apparently you think they're impossible to prove.

Just because its an opinion doesn't mean it isn't an absurd claim. Which it appears it was, a claim purely based off of feelings with no facts to back up the idea that it is MOSTLY used a certain way and most known for that usage. See, there's a big gap between "I see lots of people using it like this" and "It's almost exclusively used like this!" You claimed the former and are trying to backtrack to the latter.

So, you're refusing to answer why it is that you're getting upset about me claiming "Cis" is offensive, yet don't seem upset about people claiming "Transgendered" is offensive.

Anyway, fortunately, I was paraphrasing and referencing this post from 4 years ago:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ainbow/comments/pb08y/an_open_letter_to_rosethorns_an_attempt_to/

In this post, a member of the LGBT community mentions finding that the term "Cis" is used almost exclusively as a slur.

And that's before we even get to the fact that "Die Cis scum" has practically become a meme at this stage.


But, yes, I guess to be completely technical, "Cis" is almost exclusively used to refer to the Chinese DOTA2 league.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

Great, who cares if you're paraphrasing some random person? It's not as if someone else making a claim without proving it somehow changes anything. If you want to claim the majority of times the word is used or that a word is mostly known a certain way then you need more than some people agreeing with you (the post never actually says it's almost exclusively a slur either, it says *neutral* or negative usage and says the poster can see why people *feel* that way) You make big claims, turns out they need a lot more evidence to prove them than some dumb post that doesn't provide evidence either.

As if meme status is supposed to prove something?

We don't need to be technical for your claims to lack real support though.

 

[The Lunatic]

Great, who cares if you're paraphrasing some random person? It's not as if someone else making a claim without proving it somehow changes anything. If you want to claim the majority of times the word is used or that a word is mostly known a certain way then you need more than some people agreeing with you (the post never actually says it's almost exclusively a slur either, it says *neutral* or negative usage and says the poster can see why people *feel* that way) You make big claims, turns out they need a lot more evidence to prove them than some dumb post that doesn't provide evidence either.

So are the people who are claiming "Transgendered" is offensive. Why are you not saying this to them too?

As if meme status is supposed to prove something?

Yes, it shows that people are aware of something. In this instance, people are aware of "Cis" due to its usage as an insult.

We don't need to be technical for your claims to lack real support though.

So far evidence that people think "Cis" is a slur:

The fact "Die Cis Scum" is a meme.
Various posts from reddit.

Evidence to the contrary submitted by you:

None.

 

[s0denone]

You spend a lot of time implying/flat out stating that you believe a man has to be gay to be attracted sexually to/have a sexual relationship with a trans person. Aren't you also calling people's sexuality into question by doing so.

No, that is not remotely what I have said, at any point. Please direct this nonsensical vitriol elsewhere. Thanks.

 

[Secondhand Revenant]

So you concede to the first part? Because I am not seeing you refute any of it. So I guess we are agreed that your evidence is insufficient and you are wrong that it even agreed with you the way you said it did at first. Glad to have that cleared up.

That doesn't prove they are aware of it due to its usage as an insult. It shows certain people online are aware of a ridiculous phrase. It doesn't show the prevalence of the phrase, nor why people know of it (such as being passed around as a meme), nor does it show that that is theit original exposure to the word.

As for the last bit, that potentially being a meme doesn't demonstrate that people view it as a slur. It means they found the phrase something that makes them laugh. So incorrect on that.

Already pointed out the posts from reddit don't support your point.

So you have no real evidence.

And I don't need evidence proving you wrong if you don't have enough to prove you right when all I did was ask for your evidence. You're failing to meet the basic bar to prove your claim at all is the thing.

 

[NewClassic_v1legacy]

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