Question of the Day, October 24, 2010

FaceFaceFace

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ssManae said:
FaceFaceFace said:
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I'll say this again, because there isn't a simpler way of way of saying it: your logic is wrong. Being open-minded about one paranormal thing does not mean you have to be open-minded about anything paranormal. Let's hit up Wikipedia for you one this one:

"A slippery slope argument states that a relatively small first step inevitably leads to a chain of related events culminating in some significant impact, much like an object given a small push over the edge of a slope sliding all the way to the bottom.[1] The fallacious sense of "slippery slope" is often used synonymously with continuum fallacy, in that it ignores the possibility of middle ground and assumes a discrete transition from category A to category B. Modern usage avoids the fallacy by acknowledging the possibility of this middle ground."

Now, as for the argument that there's only personal testimony as evidence, that's also just not true.
Bigfoot/other Ape Men: Footprints, recorded cries not identifiable as other animals, hairs not identifiable to other creatures.
Aliens: Besides the lingering radiation in supposed landing spots, fallow circles years after in the same, and anomalous electrical fields and poor crop growth in some crop circles, even the official US debunking program was unable to explain all reported cases--even when they were famously willing to write off many as "mass hallucination" and "swamp gas." (I use aliens instead of reptile-aliens-run-England paranoia conspiracy theory, granted, but there's really no sort of evidence of that, now is there?) Also, by definition UFOs exist, the question is whether or not they're extraterrestrial in origin.

Your other two aren't exactly paranormal things, just a religious hysteria that's been around for years (see xkcd.com/603) and a satire on religion that's not meant to be a proof against it but has been used as it by people that don't really get logic (or are just smug elitists who think they're better than those "religious morons"--again, see same strip).

To get back to ghosts, there is more than just "I saw X" to be seen, too. EVP, electrical field anomalies, significant temperature gradients with no cause, amongst others. Is some of it bunk? Sure. I recall an episode of Ghost Hunters where a family claimed to constantly feel a presence in one part of their house. Electrical readings confirmed something odd at that spot. Ghosts? No. They had a poorly-shielded fuse box that needed fixing. But just like Blue Book, it's those ones that you have no explanation for that you can't just sweep under the rug and try to say they aren't there.

If you absolutely won't accept anything but personal experience, try this. Do some research on where you live. I'm sure you'll be able to find some form of paranormal attraction. If you're lucky, it won't just be a tourist trap; it might be something worth your time like the Carbon County Jail in Pennsylvania. Maybe you can even have a personal experience. And then probably get home and deny it actually happened and must have just been in your head, just like every time my wife sees Elanor.
I'll continue to back up my logic, because I'm not using the slippery slope. You just provided some evidence for everything I said (except for the especially ridiculous ones, which I used because they were ridiculous, as you noted). My point was not that allowing for the possibility of ghosts leads to all the others, my point is that they are all on equal ground, which you backed up. Its not a slope, its a single room full of paranormal entities. If you keep an open mind about one you must keep an open mind about all equally believable theories. But I'll concede where you make sense: based on your examples, the reptiloid aliens and invisible pink unicorn are out of the group. Also, having a personal experience with just one would put it on higher ground than the others, so yeah you could believe in just one in that case. But my original point wasn't on believing things you've "seen", it was on people with no experience trying to be open-minded.

And yes, I probably would rationalize away any experience I had with any of the above. The human mind is very capable of ridiculously stupid things, but it also capable of being rational. So while things like unidentified hairs and crop radiation are unexplained, I assume they have lame uninteresting explanations like undiscovered species of monkeys or backhoes from Chernobyl. Yeah the last one is silly and extrapolated. So are aliens.
 

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sorry people it's all your brains doing. Trying to fill in the gaps of what you cant see or understand. Anyone who has been alone in a house for days on end may know that creepy feeling that comes around at night with complete and utter silence. No a/c running no tv left on timer in your siblings room, nothing. So your Brain will make stuff up to cope.

I honestly thought I heard footsteps on multiple occasions when my family goes on trips and I have reign on the house for a couple weeks. Now the likely hood of someone creeping through my house late at night is laughable.
 

ottenni

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Personally no i dont. But i'll consider the possibility. Bunyips on the other hand...
 

sneakysnake128

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Nope. But I can't deny that a part of me wants to.

Also, ghosts are regionally relative. I'm assuming we're talking about Western traditional ghosts here where they either scare or do some irrational thing over and over. In other cultures ghosts are spirits, often ancestral, that often overlook one's life and provide guidance from the afterlife and all that.
 

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Nope, all this "paranormal" stuff is pure bullshit, designed to rip off idiots.
We have a winner.

But they most certainly exist in An Untitled Story. And they scare the shit outta me when they appear...
 

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Chrono212 said:
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I Ain't Afraid of No Ghost!​
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OT: Take a guess...I dare you X3
Damn ninja!

Well I really hope not. If they are real, I hope they're friendly.
 

Sonic Doctor

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savageoblivi0n said:
Crucifixes turned upside-down? Dude that wasn't a ghost doing that you guys had back then. Crucifixes turned upside-down means you had demons.

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I haven't experienced things myself, well not that I can confirm, voices when I was a kid home alone in my old house.

I definitely will believe all the things that one of my friends said happened to him. He got to do an investigation of a place that was being turned into a bed and breakfast near my hometown, with a guy called Keith Age the "Rock and Roll Ghost Hunter".

Oh and back in the day, when I my family lived at our old house, there was this large house that was down the road a piece, around and some ways behind our house. It was owned by a guy that owned a lot of land in the area. He rented it out to families, and in the span of about 14 years that I rode a school bus to school from that area, there were at least 5 different families that lived in that house. Every single kid from each of those families had the same stories when they rode the bus, that many nights they would see ghosts of people dress in Civil War clothes walking about the house, as well as looking at them from behind their bedroom doors. Seriously, kids from all five families that didn't have any contact with each other, all had the same experiences in that house.

More recently, one of my cousins who got married a few years back, bought a new house last year, and started renovating a few rooms and the basement. Since he started that, he hears almost constantly, footsteps in one of the hallways in the house, even when the rest of his family isn't home. Also, his bedroom door will sometimes open without anybody touching it. He works with a home construction company, that is why he is the one doing the renovating on his house, but he has checked that door countless times, and there is no way it can open by-itself; the frame is perfect and the house is level, so it can't just unlatch and pop loose.

There are other things I could say but this is enough writing for now.
 

Snotnarok

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No such thing, any proof is quickly dismissed under waves of non-science and laughable tv shows.
 

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Sonic Doctor said:
savageoblivi0n said:
Crucifixes turned upside-down? Dude that wasn't a ghost doing that you guys had back then. Crucifixes turned upside-down means you had demons.

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yeah that was the main thing causing the disturbing problems, and that's why they had to do the group twice. Even after that though, things would happen, just nothing threatening
 

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savageoblivi0n said:
Sonic Doctor said:
savageoblivi0n said:
Crucifixes turned upside-down? Dude that wasn't a ghost doing that you guys had back then. Crucifixes turned upside-down means you had demons.

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yeah that was the main thing causing the disturbing problems, and that's why they had to do the group twice. Even after that though, things would happen, just nothing threatening
Yeah, ghosts are harmless. I would be fine having a ghost where I live, but only if it was a humorous ghost. None of this I turn around and it is there up in my face scary shit.
 

Redlin5_v1legacy

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I would say I so the shadow of a ghost through the crack of my door a few years ago. I opened the door swiftly and there was no-one.

Also I believe in ghosts because they do exist! ...in Pokemon ;)
 

Engarde

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Nope, do not believe in them at all, much more important and real things to fear......like dragons! But yes, have not seen one, have not seen evidence of one, so yeah. No ghosts for me.
 

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I pity the closed-minded ones that say that they are not real. It is people like those that make me very sad.

Yes I have seen them and believe in them.