The burnout games have superb AI, that follows the same rules as you. They don't seem to follow a perfect path, either. They make mistakes and, on the whole, seem fairly human.
Racing games in which the AI doesn't cheat?
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Well, Super Mario Cart is around 18 years old, so you really can't get mad at it.
That being said, try Split Second.
Not really a "true" racing game, but neither is Mario Cart.
That being said, try Split Second.
Not really a "true" racing game, but neither is Mario Cart.
I've been playing Burnout Paradise lately, and while it's pretty reasonable at the beginning, it seems to cheat like a bastard towards the end, just like most games. It doesn't help that they get a magical rolling start when you have to accelerate from a standstill, but on top of that they do seem to be progressively more sketchy in terms of what they can do vs. what you can do. It's particularly blatantly obvious when it suddenly jumps when you rank up your license.
I do have to agree about F-Zero GX being non-cheaty, at least if we stick to non-story mode. Story mode is pure evil and pulls all sorts of crap that's totally unreasonable and will make you want to hunt down the people who made the game and kill them in their sleep. The actual cup races will also make you want to do the same thing, but at least in that case it's because it's extraordinarily hard while still being consistently fair.
I do have to agree about F-Zero GX being non-cheaty, at least if we stick to non-story mode. Story mode is pure evil and pulls all sorts of crap that's totally unreasonable and will make you want to hunt down the people who made the game and kill them in their sleep. The actual cup races will also make you want to do the same thing, but at least in that case it's because it's extraordinarily hard while still being consistently fair.
true.Dexiro said:
i just wish peach did't have the acceleration of a space shuttle when i end up being in first after many well placed green shell hits and banana back tosses >:|
I dunno. I've had a lot of races where I've been going flat out on the final straight and had AI cars shoot past me as if I was in second gear, with no explanation for their speed. I suspect it has rubberbanding code but has trouble using its extra speed to navigate that crazy terrain or maybe it just doesn't rubberband hard enough to compensate for the massive shortcuts you can take.Sebenko said:
The "making the AI go faster" thing is known as "rubber banding", and yes, an awful lot of racing games are unfortunately guilty of it
Off the top of my head, here's a few titles that don't do it:
- F1 series (although they're so damned hard that the AI may as well be cheating
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- DIRT 2
- GRID
- Need For Speed: Pro Street, NFS: Shift (1 and 2)
As someone said above, Codemasters games are generally pretty fair.
Off the top of my head, here's a few titles that don't do it:
- F1 series (although they're so damned hard that the AI may as well be cheating
)- DIRT 2
- GRID
- Need For Speed: Pro Street, NFS: Shift (1 and 2)
As someone said above, Codemasters games are generally pretty fair.
That's not entirely true - though it is true for most of the "classic" titles in the franchise (Underground, the original Most Wanted). Pro Street and the Shift titles didn't rubber-band, but the reboot of Hot Pursuit contained one of the worst examples of it in living memory so... yeah.phenity said:
So you've not noticed that every time you are in 1st you are constantly bombarded with squids, red and blue shells and other weapons designed to wreak your game? Mario Kart Wii is not a racing game, its an exercise in patience.tomtom94 said:
Crash Team Racing was pretty fair for me. Once I learned how to powerslide properly I got miles ahead of the bots and they would catch me. Except in boss battles >_>
Can't say I have played that many racing games.
In some the drivers stick to lines.. and to get past you simply use aggression and push them into walls. Of course in real life both cars would be utterly damaged and you might lose a race just for that.
And yes the mario kart rubber band AI is a well known one to. Though other games [need for speed] seem to use it to. It is a more dramatic type of racing when the others are never far away. And as is said in some of these games those at the back will get the blue shell of death.. while on the front you get jack shit. And sometimes it is very interesting to see how somehow an enemy gets a 50% speed boost [beyond the cars ability] just so they can get closer again.
That is to keep it dramatic..
You want non cheating, Gran Turismo, I mean if I choose an obviously overpowered car. A 750HP fire breathing rear wheel monster and put it out in the "sunday race" yeah.. no rubber banding there. You will win.. because the same bunch of slow cars load.
Gran Turismo gets harder as the upper races have limitations. That pull cars closer together in performance, there you'll have to be actually decent at playing the game to get a win.
And there are some WTC games out there that are rather though as nails. Why? Well again cars are all kinda kept equal and skills really matter. No need for cheating there!
But many gamers enjoy the rather lesser "rubber banding" AI. That way they have the drama of racing with the others never far away.
Try it, go race in a need for speed and instead of actually trying to race keep driving 35MPH everywhere.. the AI will be pathetically slow to.
Gran Turismo, well the cars want to drive the line. It isn't the most intelligent.
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In some the drivers stick to lines.. and to get past you simply use aggression and push them into walls. Of course in real life both cars would be utterly damaged and you might lose a race just for that.
And yes the mario kart rubber band AI is a well known one to. Though other games [need for speed] seem to use it to. It is a more dramatic type of racing when the others are never far away. And as is said in some of these games those at the back will get the blue shell of death.. while on the front you get jack shit. And sometimes it is very interesting to see how somehow an enemy gets a 50% speed boost [beyond the cars ability] just so they can get closer again.
That is to keep it dramatic..
You want non cheating, Gran Turismo, I mean if I choose an obviously overpowered car. A 750HP fire breathing rear wheel monster and put it out in the "sunday race" yeah.. no rubber banding there. You will win.. because the same bunch of slow cars load.
Gran Turismo gets harder as the upper races have limitations. That pull cars closer together in performance, there you'll have to be actually decent at playing the game to get a win.
And there are some WTC games out there that are rather though as nails. Why? Well again cars are all kinda kept equal and skills really matter. No need for cheating there!
But many gamers enjoy the rather lesser "rubber banding" AI. That way they have the drama of racing with the others never far away.
Try it, go race in a need for speed and instead of actually trying to race keep driving 35MPH everywhere.. the AI will be pathetically slow to.
Gran Turismo, well the cars want to drive the line. It isn't the most intelligent.
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Really? I played maybe an hour or so of Mario Kart Wii when it first came out and one of the very first things I noticed was that the rubber banding was the worst it had ever been in that series. Which was impressive since the rubber banding in Double Dash had already pushed it way too far as it was.Flour said:
Holy shit Burnout 3 is absolutely horrendous for cheating I remember the last time I played I got smashed into the wall first lap on an elimination race I managed to stay in by the skin of my teeth with near flawless driving and constant boosting eventually catching up with the A hole who had smashed me into the wall first lap and got a 30 second lead on me instantly. So the last stretch of the last lap I have full boost I use it smash the git into a wall and continue holding boost on a flat piece of road with no obstacles to the finish line which couldnt have been more than 5 seconds away and wouldnt you know that guy I literally just totaled catches up to me in 2 seconds smashes me into the kerb and waltzes to his cheating impossible victory.SilkySkyKitten said:
I have not raged so hard at a game in many a year if ever it pissed me off so much I never touched the game again it was just ridiculous, the comp is not bound by the same rules as you thats for sure.