Not a fan of the dudes personality but Kanye is a good at what he does for sure. This song in particular though upsets me because there are some people who think Daft Punk stole this from him... makes me facepalm so hard.smearyllama said:
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I see a few white rappers... How come no one's mentioned the original? Have you no respect?
OT: I'd wager the thing that turns most people off about rap was that its public image was largely taken over by gangster rap subgenre and promotion of the "thuggish" lifestyle.
But, listening to groups that feature rap (such as Gorillaz or Linkin Park) made me reevaluate my views on rap in general, just like Johnny Cash got me to reevaluate my view of country, I've come to the conclusion that the two genres aren't complete crap. It's just the vast majority of work in the respective genres I have heard has been mostly crap.
But, listening to groups that feature rap (such as Gorillaz or Linkin Park) made me reevaluate my views on rap in general, just like Johnny Cash got me to reevaluate my view of country, I've come to the conclusion that the two genres aren't complete crap. It's just the vast majority of work in the respective genres I have heard has been mostly crap.
I love it. Do note, that hip-hop is rap without the lies and embellishments. There's a big difference. I like this stuff:
Hip-hop. It's Ford Prefect, people!
Rap. I listen to rap, but 2 to 1 I like it when it's more insightful and intellectually stimulating. The poetry from the downtrodden on the streets that got the ball rolling.
Hip-hop. It's Ford Prefect, people!
Rap. I listen to rap, but 2 to 1 I like it when it's more insightful and intellectually stimulating. The poetry from the downtrodden on the streets that got the ball rolling.
I wasn't raised in a country manor with a staff of 20 or more live-in servants and sent to boarding school for the rest of my formative years NOT to have better taste than that, my dear boy. Professor Elemental was it? One of those "working" fellows from that "middle class" I've heard so much about, I'd wager. Well, whatever you "tradesmen" hearken to during your "scheduled breaks" is certainly none of my affair. Now if you'll excuse me, I'll be partaking of the melodious witticisms of Mr. B the Gentleman Rhymer with the rest of the Chap hop enthusiasts, thank you very much. Good day to you, sir.Daystar Clarion said:
Edit: And when is someone going to make a song called "Drat the Constabulary" or "Reexamine your person before you irreparably damage your standing"?
I like 4 better.Vault101 said:
OT: I think it might have something to do with the subject matter of many popular rap artists (it certainly turns me off to a number of them). I think it also might have something to do with people genuinely not liking the sound of the music.
Well, we have a vast collection of hip-hop music on vinyl that's mostly delivered in rap. Some of it is streetwise gangsta material, on the other end is splendidly artsy stuff that puts many a jazz combo to shame. The newest bit there is roughly a decade old, as I find most of the new material to be severely lacking. I can enjoy listening to everything from Gravediggaz, Lakim Shabazz, Professor X, Brand Nubian to Erik B. & Rakim, and while I quite often do not agree to any and all potential political payload, I find a lot of records quite important. I respect the art if it's meant to be and is actually delivered as an art form, as in, somebody makes some sort of effort and has got something to say.
'Fiddy' and a lot of other, ahem, artists clearly think otherwise. I think they are the ones currently selling canned shit, and they are horribly successful at it.
Certain albums are just downright timeless, be they loaded with perfect samples ('citations' of sorts from funk/soul/jazz/x albums/artists), awesome style, precision rhyming, examples of wicked capable minds controlling wicked fast mouths or something that mixes not only samples and literate minds, but serious (social) issues with an unexpected and maybe unwarranted aloofness that creates a fun entertainment bit that might crawl under your skin before you know it or a hefty depressing report from the homefront that still manages to make you feel happy and some hope for mankind in general.
None of the currently sold artists in the 'mainstream' and public awareness manage to tickle my fancy, I find an easy 90% of them abhorrent creatures and the rest I hate and despise by default. It's all crap. Seeing people still buy that crap, I find it shockingly easy to fall for brief stints of misanthropy, making me read Nietzsche and Marx and Hitler and Gandhi and Qaddafi's little Green Book of Nonsense until I manage to snap out of it.
It's an absolute shame what happened to the genre. There are exceptions, but the omnipresent top tier animals on the market are an absolute waste of everything that truly deserve any and all negativity coming their way.
'Fiddy' and a lot of other, ahem, artists clearly think otherwise. I think they are the ones currently selling canned shit, and they are horribly successful at it.
Certain albums are just downright timeless, be they loaded with perfect samples ('citations' of sorts from funk/soul/jazz/x albums/artists), awesome style, precision rhyming, examples of wicked capable minds controlling wicked fast mouths or something that mixes not only samples and literate minds, but serious (social) issues with an unexpected and maybe unwarranted aloofness that creates a fun entertainment bit that might crawl under your skin before you know it or a hefty depressing report from the homefront that still manages to make you feel happy and some hope for mankind in general.
None of the currently sold artists in the 'mainstream' and public awareness manage to tickle my fancy, I find an easy 90% of them abhorrent creatures and the rest I hate and despise by default. It's all crap. Seeing people still buy that crap, I find it shockingly easy to fall for brief stints of misanthropy, making me read Nietzsche and Marx and Hitler and Gandhi and Qaddafi's little Green Book of Nonsense until I manage to snap out of it.
It's an absolute shame what happened to the genre. There are exceptions, but the omnipresent top tier animals on the market are an absolute waste of everything that truly deserve any and all negativity coming their way.
Oh good. It's this thread again.
I personally maintain that rap can be very enjoyable. It can be soulful, politically charged or just funk as hell with awesome, hard-hitting lyrics that are not about fucking bitches and slinging crack rocks.
Stuff like (but not restricted to):
-Nujabes
-The Coup
-Gang Starr
-Substantial
-The Mad Conductor (Special mention to this guy. My absolute favorite.)
-Shing02
-Common (The older stuff)
Anyway, a lot of cool stuff. There's all kinds of gems under that thick layer of bastardized commercial shit the big labels keep shoving down kids' throats. Ironically that shit is what I listened to not too long ago. That's why I can't be bothered to dig too deep into it anymore.
Also. Someone mentions Death Grips, I'm busting out the proverbial "shotty". Just saying.
I personally maintain that rap can be very enjoyable. It can be soulful, politically charged or just funk as hell with awesome, hard-hitting lyrics that are not about fucking bitches and slinging crack rocks.
Stuff like (but not restricted to):
-Nujabes
-The Coup
-Gang Starr
-Substantial
-The Mad Conductor (Special mention to this guy. My absolute favorite.)
-Shing02
-Common (The older stuff)
Anyway, a lot of cool stuff. There's all kinds of gems under that thick layer of bastardized commercial shit the big labels keep shoving down kids' throats. Ironically that shit is what I listened to not too long ago. That's why I can't be bothered to dig too deep into it anymore.
Also. Someone mentions Death Grips, I'm busting out the proverbial "shotty". Just saying.
I don't take well to rap mainly because it's very repetitive and the lyrics are rarely anything worth noticing. This is, of course, based on my experience with the genre. I could very well be missing some hidden cache of rap gold.
The only rapper I like is Watsky. Kid's a real wordsmith.
The only rapper I like is Watsky. Kid's a real wordsmith.
Happen to be a fan of MF Doom
and have a soft spot for MC Chris cause it he is not even remotely serious
and have a soft spot for MC Chris cause it he is not even remotely serious
Anyone who likes Hopsin has to check these 2 tunes out. They are utterly insane but brilliant at the same time
If you like Hops ill mind collections (Which are flipping amazing) check these out. If you haven't heard these they are typical Hops I.e utterly insane and completely brilliantBreakfastMan said:I like 4 better.Vault101 said:
OT: I think it might have something to do with the subject matter of many popular rap artists (it certainly turns me off to a number of them). I think it also might have something to do with people genuinely not liking the sound of the music.
I'm a big Hip-Hop fan (I say Hip Hop because I feel that the word encompasses producers and lyricists better than rap ^^).
I'm mainly into the 90's US scene and the UK Hip Hop industry, but I'm into all types really.
Here's a fine example of the producer, Pete Rock's work with method man:
and also an example of the UK movement by Braintax:
I'm mainly into the 90's US scene and the UK Hip Hop industry, but I'm into all types really.
Here's a fine example of the producer, Pete Rock's work with method man:
and also an example of the UK movement by Braintax:
I don't think I actually like rap (though I do love some of the late 90s early 2000s, In Da Club, Act a Fool, etc) I like Outkast: Ms Jackson and Hey Yeah, Eminem: Slim Shady and Lose Yourself, Nelly: Ride with Me, Three 6 Mafia: Stay Fly, Link Parks early works, etc...
I have no idea what that is (I plead ignorant white sub-urban boy) but I like it.
I have no idea what that is (I plead ignorant white sub-urban boy) but I like it.
Why no love for the Coup? sorry I dunno fancy box thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v-rIWUAQuI&feature=relmfu
It's the mainstream stuff. It's a terrible representative of good rap. Personally, I like the more political stuff. Protest music.
I feel bad for people who do not like Hip-Hop as this year has been great for it!
And my personal favourite of the year...
And my personal favourite of the year...