Rape Games Banned in Japan, For Real

[Macgyvercas]

Any culture that finds rape acceptable and entertaining should be wiped off the face of the earth. I don't give two shits about Japan but they continue to make me question whether or not the USSR and USA would have been better off wiping that shitty little island off the map in the first place.

Here we go again with the ignorant half-baked commentaries.

What about murder? Is murder acceptable? should we wipe you off the face of the earth because you find killing others acceptable?[/quote]

PARADOX TIME: is killing an advocate of killing permisible? Interesting question...

 

[klarr]

these games just prove how sick men are. not trying to belittle people for their fantasies (its not like im an angel, we've all done things we probably shouldnt) but just the thought that there are people out there who would play a game that simulates raping someone makes me feel ill.

they shouldnt HAVE to ban these kinds of games, people should just realise that this is crossing the line into beastial depravity and not buy them, then they'll stop getting made.

ohh gosh i cant belive im actualy about to defend japan...shit.
well i am no trying to start somthing, and i am not supporting rape nor do i find it ok, i think it is sickining. but that country is well... its own country. it can hadle itself and its morals are different than ours. we have no right to judge them for there morals because its theres.we have our morals and they have there own and we have no right to say what is right and what is wrong. now are these games ok for the public, personaly i think no.
lets use this as an example: murder... its horrible but its in just about everything in todays world. in the movies, games, books, and tv shows. its not accepted but its still public and everywhere. do we agree with it, probably no but hey its still here.
we have a say in our county , but we do not have one in there country and never will.
sorry to anyone i offended in this post, and i do not support this game or any form of rape.
oh and lastly i am not targeting you "neo from utopia" just using you as an example. no offence.

 

[The Youth Counselor]

moreover rape has been know to lead to murder, or so ive been told.

Not in this game...
We are talking about this game.
Therefore your argument is invalid.

One of the features of RapeLay is possible pregnancy. In that instance you can force an abortion (including a late term one.) While I am pro choice myself, that is the mother's choice and otherwise would be murder.

It also features a prepubescent girl as one of the victims. You can rape her in her room strewn with teddy bears while she cries and bleeds. Even simulated, that is illegal in many areas including mine.

 

[DrAlligator]

I just want to point out that Japan has so many instances of sexual harrassment that trains now have 'women only' areas, so they can avoid all the pervs over there. Considering that and the amount of rape porn coming out of Japan, this censorship is a good first step. I'm not saying they should conform to western standards, but the Japanese could use a toning down on their peversion.

 

[KaiusCormere]

a game glorifying rape to my mind is on the same level as a game version of Hostel would be if it put players in the villains shoes. Regular violence in games is most typically heroic action, aimed at stopping people/monsters who pose great threat to the world/country. Actual killing of unarmed civilians is the exception - and such killing, when not performed with the intent of inflicting a slow and agonizing death, does not put a person on the same moral plane as a rapist.

Someone who came back to work, and killed their boss at work after being fired, while they may deserve the death penalty - they took someone's life, someone innocent and undeserving - a rapist or serial torturer/murderer deserves it twice over. They took a twisted pleasure in causing pain. This is a huge moral difference. I can see no redemption for someone like that. I don't mean it in a religious sense - I mean it in a sense of just evil.

 

[mike1921]

Why must the escapist lure me into topics about rape where I lose faith in humanity

This has, apparently, achieved nothing, and that makes me very depressed. I wouldn't have a problem with rape in games if it were portrayed as how it actually is: horrible, disgusting, and traumatic. It could be used in games to help tell a really powerful, emotional story, and yet people continue to use it like this: to glorify the act itself and objectify women. Very rarely am I against censorship, but rape games cross a line.

with most seemingly resigned to the fact that rule changes were inevitable.

I submit this as further evidence. These people are actually sad that they won't be able to make games about rape any more. They need help.

Tighter restrictions on packaging and game titles are expected to take effect almost immediately, however; changing the name [http://www.syrup-soft.jp/top/index2.html] of its upcoming game Gang Raped by the Entire Village ~Girls Covered in Milky Liquid~ to The Trap Set by the Entire Village ~Bodies Covered in Milky Liquid~. It's a subtle distinction, yes, but apparently adequate; in-game content will not be modified.

For God's sake. Why do people feel compelled to make these games; and more importantly, why do people buy them?!

*sigh* Fetishes exist god dammit. There are probably a lot of people who got this game as a masturbation tool. It's not depressing people have fetishes and are willing to buy a game catering to it. It's depressing that some are unwilling to keep them as fantasies though.

Murder does not equal combat so nice fallacy since I was discussing killing off the whole lot during the Second World War.

Murder is murder.

You do not have to kill someone in combat, but I'm willing to bet money you always go for that headshot don't you so you can feel like you're that awesome don't you? In fact the game might even reward you for it. Many games will even reward you for your sadism in the kill like that.

And in many games it's not even combat, it's just murder: Saints Row, GTA, Postal, any other game with innocent bystanders you can kill... etc.

Nice fallacy though.

The headshot is the more sadistic shot? You instantly kill them! It's sadistic if you shoot their legs and arms first.

Any culture that finds rape acceptable and entertaining should be wiped off the face of the earth. I don't give two shits about Japan but they continue to make me question whether or not the USSR and USA would have been better off wiping that shitty little island off the map in the first place.

acceptable, agreed. Entertaining, depends. In this case, no. It's fake rape, and as odd as it would be for a whole culture to have a rape fetish, that doesn't mean they should be wiped out.

I just got up and now I feel like I need another shower. I try not to condemn cultures I don't understand, but those games are disgusting and completely indefensible.

Bullshit, anything that doesn't directly harm another person could be defended. Also, how is it so disgusting that people have fetishes?

Murder games, rape games, or torture games make me sick and ANYONE that enjoys them needs to get help. There is a difference between war (Halo/Call of Duty) and murder (Manhunt). The biggest way to tell: Do they fight for selfish reasons? Same deal here, there is a difference between sex and rape. Rape is selfish while sex is for both parties.

The depths of human depravity really scares me.

*sigh* someone needs to get help for having a fetish that they're keeping out of the real world? Ridiculous. Also, digital porn only has one party involved, I think they should be allowed to be as selfish as they want.

moreover rape has been know to lead to murder, or so ive been told.

Not in this game...
We are talking about this game.
Therefore your argument is invalid.

One of the features of RapeLay is possible pregnancy. In that instance you can force an abortion (including a late term one.) While I am pro choice myself, that is the mother's choice and otherwise would be murder.

It also features a prepubescent girl as one of the victims. You can rape her in her room strewn with teddy bears while she cries and bleeds. Even simulated, that is illegal in many areas including mine.

Wait "this is illegal so I have problems with it"? You know, laws aren't perfect, or even necisarily good.

Whilst sex is meant to be pleasurable and voluntary for both people involved, rape can be traumatic and leave mental or (If the rapist is fairly violent) physical scars and is thought of as a crime as a result. Thus why there is so much controversy and debate about these games, and why I'm against them.

Forsooth.

But sadly this all falls back to the thread about the Saw/Hostal movies. I believe the term was "torture porn". There are sick people out there and sadly they don't give a flying f**k about getting help. They enjoy those games or movies and justify it as "It's not like I am DOING it in real life" while they talk about how they would have done it different or how they are sympothtic with the pervert/monster doing the crimes. There IS no justification, if you think about how you would have done it then you just did it in your mind. It is no difference than a fantasy 'you' (general) use to pleasure yourself. In this case there is no grey area, just black and white.

Why do they need help? They're not hurting anyone else, and it's not hurting them. and unless you mean they're sympathetic of the monster because of some tragic childhood or something that caused the rapes/murders I guess I'll conceed, but only because i don't feel as motivated to defend them.

What I do in my own mind is my own business, hurts no one else, and probably doesn't hurt me thank you very much.

Also, again to point out, lolicon (animated porn of children) was banned in 2001, and essentially what's changed is this Little gem:

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Not anymore, atleast in america. It was in 2003 I think though.

 

[TsunamiWombat]

I just want to point out that Japan has so many instances of sexual harrassment that trains now have 'women only' areas, so they can avoid all the pervs over there. Considering that and the amount of rape porn coming out of Japan, this censorship is a good first step. I'm not saying they should conform to western standards, but the Japanese could use a toning down on their peversion.

These are symptoms of deeper CULTURAL problems, not videogames. The Videogames themselves are part of Japans collective pyschosis.

 

[Usagi_dono]

Although I didnt know there was any rape games in Japan, it did not suprise me much... But hey, they are acatually doin something against it, a little bit at least

 

[Valiard]

Really they are only doing this to get people off their backs, Xenophobic remember, also the japanese economy isnt that healthy and the fact that these sort of games make up 10 to 20 percent of Pc game sales alone makes the devs a force to be reckoned with...

 

[meisnewbie]

"Not anymore, atleast in america. It was in 2003 I think though."

The case was overruled in Supreme Court, although someone just pleaded guilty for a case of lolicon possession so this may quickly change.

" The Videogames themselves are part of Japans collective pyschosis."

Don't you think this is a very interesting comment? So far, there has been at least one count of genocide, countless numbers of LOL JAPAN IS SICK and NONE OF THOSE POSTS HAVE CAUSED ANYONE TO BAT AN EYELASH.

Reprehensible or not, it's completely stupid and downright racist + xenophobic to make comments of those sorts.

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

I'm just going to say one thing: Odd.

 

[DiamondJim]

Maybe they'll just settle on a game that tries to assault the player instead... see how they like it then! (As in the disc physically flies out of the drive and makes a bee-line towards the nearest crotch.)

Silly Japan.

 

[T'Generalissimo]

Gang Raped by the Entire Village ~Girls Covered in Milky Liquid~

I'm not sure, but there's a chance this problem might resolve itself if the industry is introduced to the concept of subtlety. I mean, it's worth a shot, right?

 

[plTo]

I think this article and I guess the legislation should really be expanded to look at all video games. Why should any one government draw the line at this rapegame when there are so many others that advocate mass killing. That being said, I am sincerely tempted to try out this game, it sounds almost so ridiculous I can?t imagine it exists. I found an interesting discussion on the matter at Pandalous. It can be found here at http://www.pandalous.com/nodes/ban_on_violent_computer

 

[Lrbearclaw]

What I do in my own mind is my own business, hurts no one else, and probably doesn't hurt me thank you very much.

As the rest of the dialog of your posts in reply to me can be summed up here, I will only quote this of you.

Let's say you have a neighbor whose fetish is child porn. He keeps it secret, never takes pictures or touches your kids or any of the kids in the neighborhood. He's never been convicted or even suspected. He is the nicest guy you could know. But he jerks off to digital images of children in pornographic situations. Now, let's say you found out. He's never touched your kids and gets off to digitally created images, do you let him around your kids still or do you keep your kids away from him.

If the latter... why? By YOUR standard he has not hurt anyone.

 

[mike1921]

What I do in my own mind is my own business, hurts no one else, and probably doesn't hurt me thank you very much.

As the rest of the dialog of your posts in reply to me can be summed up here, I will only quote this of you.

Let's say you have a neighbor whose fetish is child porn. He keeps it secret, never takes pictures or touches your kids or any of the kids in the neighborhood. He's never been convicted or even suspected. He is the nicest guy you could know. But he jerks off to digital images of children in pornographic situations. Now, let's say you found out. He's never touched your kids and gets off to digitally created images, do you let him around your kids still or do you keep your kids away from him.

If the latter... why? By YOUR standard he has not hurt anyone.

I honestly wouldn't give a damn. Maybe if he said something suspicious. Also, even if he was suspected (unless the suspicion was completely retarded) I'd still let him around my kids if me or my wife/gf/...anyone who I trust really is there too.

He still hasn't hurt anyone, he raised suspicion, but something shouldn't be illegal or be considered harmful just because it's suspicious.

 

[XOmanXO]

what sick person plays a game about rape

 

[mike1921]

what sick person plays a game about rape

Excellent post. Basically a single sentence of flame. Reported

 

[Ushario]

Spoiler: Time for a copy/paste job!

Rape games are essentially interactive porn: that is their purpose, the intent behind their creation.

That having been said: porn is legal in the US, even the raping variety. So I fail to see us having any right to criticize the Japanese.

Also, one must wonder at the source of the uproar behind this: is it that the rapes are in the games, that they can be performed (as in, they are interactive), or that they are the goal?

In the case of the first option, I would like to remind everyone that rape has been a common factor used in both art, music, and movies for quite some time now (the latter especially so if you're a vivid watcher of Lifetime Movies like my mother is). So before you ban rape in games, you must ban it in all mediums.

With regards to the second option: I think that this isn't the real issue people draw with the game either. If rape were put into the game as a tool for pushing the storyline, or just as an extra option added to a sandbox game like GTA (as in, it would be a extra thing to do, and not the overall objective), people would get angry, but not as angry as they are now. That's just being realistic: we can't say NO USING RAPE to game developers, because that's discrimination against the medium. It's in the same school of thought as the Hide Your Children [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HideYourChildren] trope of game development, and I object to that. Why should we tell people that they can't use rape or child violence in games when they could be used to tell a story or make a point?

When venturing into the third option, I must say that my morals make me inclined to agree: rape as the goal of a game is disgusting. But should we generally ban rape in games just because of this? Or more importantly: why should we when rape is used in other forms of media?

I think that rape in games, for better or worse, is here to stay. All people can do is use their wallets to decide the context in which it is used.

And, as predicted, the law passed is rather pointless. The lawmakers pat themselves on the back, smile for the presses, the games continue to be sold, controversy will inevitably pop up again in the future. In other words: another day passes as normal.

Very well said, its a shame that people would accept some things in one form of media and not another. The saddest thing to me is that the film and television industry struggled with all these issues decades ago. Early on in broadcasting people couldn't utter any profanity without losing their job. Sex in a movie would have caused mass outrage! Looking at how accepted the porn industry is today you can really see the change. I see a parralell with all the challenges that the movie and television industry faced with what the games industry is going through today. I give it 10 years for all of this to be 'mainstream', at least to an extent, within Western society.

As a games programmer and someday hopefully, developer/designer, I would like to see the industry push further at these boundries. I checked out RapeLay due to the controversy surrounding it, I think it was uninspiring in any aspect, from its freakish storyline to its clumsy menu. There is a lot of room for 'sex simulators' to look at what games like this have done and better it. Instead of Rape, BDSM. That one change makes a world of difference for its acceptability in Western society. I think the stylised art works but the animations and voice acting could be polished a lot, along with the potential for a storyline that isn't just completely perverted.

I don't see any issue with these games, I don't think rape games will ever be hugely popular in the Western world, I do however see potential for a more 'conventional' porn sim.
My opinion is and always has been that sex is more acceptable than violence, sadly others demonise sex, though it certainly is hard to argue when it is a rape sim.

Ushario is a young games programmer and has had no previous experience with porn or rape games other than RapeLay, which failed to impress, he also had to keep this safe for work.

 

[mike1921]

As a games programmer and someday hopefully, developer/designer, I would like to see the industry push further at these boundries. I checked out RapeLay due to the controversy surrounding it, I think it was uninspiring in any aspect, from its freakish storyline to its clumsy menu. There is a lot of room for 'sex simulators' to look at what games like this have done and better it. Instead of Rape, BDSM. That one change makes a world of difference for its acceptability in Western society. I think the stylised art works but the animations and voice acting could be polished a lot, along with the potential for a storyline that isn't just completely perverted.

But, they weren't releasing it to western society on purpose, it just ended up on amazon somehow, and do you really think the kind of people who'd cause controversy over a FUCKING GAME (...no pun intended) would back off if it was just kinky sex? In japan maybe but in the western world, never. People are way too knee-jerky for that. There was a controversy over mass effect because of a very brief and in explicit sex scene that was just a cutscene instead of a gameplay mechanic. I wouldn't expect a game that is basically porn to have a decent story, a game could have a sex and a sex mechanic to it and still have a decent story line, but a game that seems to be made purely so someone with a rape fetish could jerk off? You complaining about the menu just made me laugh.

My opinion is and always has been that sex is more acceptable than violence, sadly others demonise sex, though it certainly is hard to argue when it is a rape sim.

HOW?! In prototype I can make tentacles come out of my body and impale everyone within 20 feet of me , ending at average 30 or so lives (maybe more), and I could do this whenever the hell I want. Even if you think it is better to be dead than raped (I never understood that mentality but whatever), I highly doubt you think it's better to rape....however many people you rape in this game to the thousands I've killed in prototype when I wasn't told to by the game or the thousands (but less thousands) I've killed because you needed to so you could complete the story missions.