Rape Games Banned in Japan, For Real

[Caliostro]

Why should ANYTHING "not go" in a videogame? You're not forced to play it. You don't like it, just don't buy it/play it. The whole social attempt to morally regulate harmless entertainment disgusts me to be honest.

If you're concerned about the psychological "implications" of these games, I suggest you read above my reply to other "concerned citizen". If GTA isn't turning us into deranged homicidal maniacs, games like Rape Lay are not going to turn people into rapists either...

I probably didnt make it clear before, im not for banning these games or any game. i am simply saying that i am disgusted that they exist. people can differentiate games from reality and are not simply going to replicate what they see on tv. i just cant believe people would choose to pay for this kind of game. its a joke anyway, for the most part as was argued earlier, these games are so unlike rape you shouldnt really call them that - bdsm at worst really, or as my bf likes to say 'surprise sex'.

I misunderstood you then, my bad.

That said, I did try the game and it's a terrible game on all accounts (regardless of the theme). I agree with you that these games (and even the pornography industry in general) don't really represent rape, they represent "faux-non-consensual" sex. But they keep poping up, so clearly someone out there likes them.

I'm still entirely against banning any of it, nor do I feel any more disgusted by it than I do for, say, religion... If anything I feel "rape games" are a far more positive thing...

 

[neuromasser]

Spoiler: They obviously didn't think about hardcore gamers :/

 

[Worsle]

I do find it strange so much fuss seems to be centred around a game from 3 years ago. Was it not a problem then? But I guess that does not matter. It is also strange games like say TF2 where all you do is charge in and kill people in a "murder simulator" are ok but rape is a no no. Seems people have forgotten the normal stance they have against people like Jack Thomson.

Gang Raped by the Entire Village ~Girls Covered in Milky Liquid~ to The Trap Set by the Entire Village ~Bodies Covered in Milky Liquid~.

I wonder what those games will be about? - gang raped by the entire village? Whose betting on that being the blurb as well?

I am not sure but that is both the best and the stupidest names I have ever heard for a game. I guess I am a terrible person.

 

[Nemo from Utopia]

Why should ANYTHING "not go" in a videogame? You're not forced to play it. You don't like it, just don't buy it/play it. The whole social attempt to morally regulate harmless entertainment disgusts me to be honest.

If you're concerned about the psychological "implications" of these games, I suggest you read above my reply to other "concerned citizen". If GTA isn't turning us into deranged homicidal maniacs, games like Rape Lay are not going to turn people into rapists either...

I probably didnt make it clear before, im not for banning these games or any game. i am simply saying that i am disgusted that they exist. people can differentiate games from reality and are not simply going to replicate what they see on tv. i just cant believe people would choose to pay for this kind of game. its a joke anyway, for the most part as was argued earlier, these games are so unlike rape you shouldnt really call them that - bdsm at worst really, or as my bf likes to say 'surprise sex'.

I misunderstood you then, my bad.

That said, I did try the game and it's a terrible game on all accounts (regardless of the theme). I agree with you that these games (and even the pornography industry in general) don't really represent rape, they represent "faux-non-consensual" sex. But they keep poping up, so clearly someone out there likes them.

I'm still entirely against banning any of it, nor do I feel any more disgusted by it than I do for, say, religion... If anything I feel "rape games" are a far more positive thing...

lol care to back your argument up? or maybe i shouldnt ask, im sure it'll be something to do with things like the crusades and the taliban...fair point. but i would argue that there are people in all religons who do not do 'bad things', just like there are people who play rape games who do not commit rape. people will use anything as an excuse to do whatever the hell they want. at its best religion can help the most desperate person (i cant be bother to list examples as to how, use your imagination); at rape games best they make me laugh at their stupid names?

 

[WrongSprite]

I don't mind if it isn't banned.

1) It's a game, there isn't a real child crying in a basement because it's been released.

2) You people act disgusted after killing thousands of "people"? I think you make me sick for your hypocrisy.

Again, "people" who are extremely quick to rise from the dead and attempt to shot us back. On top of that, (aside from Manhunt) is there a combat game about torturing the enemy? Or one where main thing is to cause the enemy agnony before they die?

Have you played GTA4?

Little confused with your first sentence also.

Yeah, I have. Again, I missed the 'Press X to torture' scene. And my first sentence was in reference to online multiplayer, where the majority of the 'people killing' happens. Add to that, the infinite respawning enemies in games like CoD4.

I think you've missed my point. I'm not on about torure here, I'm on about how killing has been normalised within games. Are you telling me that a rape game is worse than any point in GTA4 where you can walk up to a civilian, and gun them down in cold blood, kicking them as they crawl away? Use some sense.

Shoot them, yes. Shoot them, leave them crippled, and kick them in the face?! Can that occur in a GTA game? I haven't actually tried that, to be fair. And I would point out that, again, GTA isn't primarily about that - in fact, I don't think I've ever particularly tried to kill civilians in any GTA game - accidently hit the 'shoot' key, etc, but not tried to do so.

A rape game, in contrast, is about rape. You HAVE to rape to play the game, yes? Else it is an odd choice of game.

What matters is that the content is there, whether you use it or not.

After all, you could just be buying the rape game for the animations, which i've heard are terrific.

...thats rediculous. thats like saying 'some of the disney animators placed discrete falac images in the cartoons so it has sexual content so its as good as a porn film'...ok thats an extreme example but seriously, if a game presents you with the choice of how to behave that doesnt mean your gonna do it, and it doesnt necessarily encourage it. you dont get rewards for killing people brutally in GTA, you only ever get minimal money when you kill a civilian, not worth the bullets or the police chase really. basically it simulating RL, if you walked around with a gun you COULD kill people, or you could not. your choice. the games not called 'kill everyone and enjoy doing it' is it?

No, that is rediculous. If there was a bonus feature in mario than allowed you to decapitate people while doing the level, would it still be rated for kids? I think not, even though you would not be encouraged to do it. Are you so innocent as to believe that NOBODY ever kills civilians in GTA?

Oh and to destroy your argument, there is an achievement for killing 50 civilians with melee weapons in the first Saints Row. That sounds like motivation/reward to me.

Look at the bottom line, MURDER is worse than RAPE.

 

[yeah_so_no]

Gang Raped by the Entire Village ~Girls Covered in Milky Liquid~ to The Trap Set by the Entire Village ~Bodies Covered in Milky Liquid~.

I wonder what those games will be about? - gang raped by the entire village? Whose betting on that being the blurb as well?

It...pretty much is, on the website. If you go to the site for the game itself, it says in Japanese down the side of the drawing of two girls tied up (well, one tied up and another clinging to her) with their clothes ripped off and "milky liquid" all over them, "The girls' bodies will be targeted by the men of the village."

So...yeah. Blech.

 

[Doug]

Quoting the dictionary doesn't make you smart.

I never said it did. And it was wikipedia, actually.

Read what I wrote again. No, a headshot by itself is not sadism. The fact that we almost always go for one even when we could get away with less, or are rewarded for it, is. Hell, most games reward us for overkill.

I don't go for the head normally, unless I'm using a sniper rifle, given its low firerate in most games, a headshot is necessary to avoid the guy you're shooting at popping rounds back.

Also, which games reward for overkill? Unreal Torunament is about the only one that springs to my mind.

It's cute that you think you know psychology, but if you did you'd know that you're constantly triggering your mesolimbic system, being rewarded for your assassinations, kills and otherwise use of violence in your average game. Everytime your "score" goes up for it, everytime you complete an objective that involves executing someone. There's a message in your brain saying you did good. That's why we all love that "high score" message, or "mission complete". It's equally rewarding you for murder, making it vastly more acceptable to your subconscious.

In fact, here's one of my very favorite articles on the escapist [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/issues/issue_153/4960-The-Anatomy-of-Violence]. Fairly interesting read. So you see, while morally it's more acceptable, psychologically the "damage" it's doing is just as accentuated.

Actually, no, I don't know pyschology, and I'm fairly sure you don't either. As for the article, its an interesting read, especially the bit where is says that playing violent video games makes you no more likely to try and murder someone. Capable of using lethal force, yes, but not more likely to use it.

We've now seen a whole generation grow, of people who grew up on Postal, GTA, Doom and assorted games. It hasn't turned them into murderers any more than Rape Lay will turn your average pervert into a rapist. I'll leave you with another interesting read: Schadenfreude [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude], the reason we play most videogames.

You're basing your assumption that combat and rape trigger the same responses based on...? And yeah, "pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others", nice way to tell us you're a troll.

good point...so are you saying that since it is culturally acceptable to kill/murder people in games that anything goes? how about peodophillia? although looking at some of the girls in these games they're pretty much borderline if not there already.

also for the most part combat or 'murder' games, to coin a phrase, dont involve the killing taking more than a few seconds of gun fire (for instance) and is only one aspect of the game. rather than being the whole game and involving a form of torture lasting long periods of time.

Why should ANYTHING "not go" in a videogame? You're not forced to play it. You don't like it, just don't buy it/play it. The whole social attempt to morally regulate harmless entertainment disgusts me to be honest.

If you're concerned about the psychological "implications" of these games, I suggest you read above my reply to other "concerned citizen". If GTA isn't turning us into deranged homicidal maniacs, games like Rape Lay are not going to turn people into rapists either...

The instructions for a nuclear bomb? The instructions for a fertillizer bomb? The instructions on how to actually murder someone quickly and quietly using only a knife (Manhunt...again)? Detailed instruction on how to buy, use, maintain, and aim a real gun?

And again, you where trained in pyschology from...?

 

[Caliostro]

lol care to back your argument up? or maybe i shouldnt ask, im sure it'll be something to do with things like the crusades and the taliban...fair point. but i would argue that there are people in all religons who do not do 'bad things', just like there are people who play rape games who do not commit rape. people will use anything as an excuse to do whatever the hell they want. at its best religion can help the most desperate person (i cant be bother to list examples as to how, use your imagination); at rape games best they make me laugh at their stupid names?

Not the direction I intended to take this, merely an example, but fine:

I'll say this, one is a useless cancer the other harmlessly simulates rape.

You say religion can help desperate people, I say religion helps them become desperate in the first place. The fact remains that religion is nothing more than people eluding themselves with comfortable lies so that they can avoid facing the truth. Like any other such mechanics it keeps people from evolving, from becoming better.

"I'm not just a terrible person who thinks other people should all live the way I want, God hates faggots too!"

"I'm not just a self-important dickhole who thinks he/she has the right to dictate other people's lives! Abortion IS murder because god said so! [note to self: disregard the crusades, lolol]"

There is no bigger source of death and hatred in human history than religions and we'd all be better off if they'd all go the way of the dodo... Meanwhile the worse thing a game like Rape Lay will ever do is provide a perv with a kink some masturbatory material.

 

[Nemo from Utopia]

lol care to back your argument up? or maybe i shouldnt ask, im sure it'll be something to do with things like the crusades and the taliban...fair point. but i would argue that there are people in all religons who do not do 'bad things', just like there are people who play rape games who do not commit rape. people will use anything as an excuse to do whatever the hell they want. at its best religion can help the most desperate person (i cant be bother to list examples as to how, use your imagination); at rape games best they make me laugh at their stupid names?

Not the direction I intended to take this, merely an example, but fine:

I'll say this, one is a useless cancer the other harmlessly simulates rape.

You say religion can help desperate people, I say religion helps them become desperate in the first place. The fact remains that religion is nothing more than people eluding themselves with comfortable lies so that they can avoid facing the truth. Like any other such mechanics it keeps people from evolving, from becoming better.

"I'm not just a terrible person who thinks other people should all live the way I want, God hates faggots too!"

"I'm not just a self-important dickhole who thinks he/she has the right to dictate other people's lives! Abortion IS murder because god said so! [note to self: disregard the crusades, lolol]"

There is no bigger source of death and hatred in human history than religions and we'd all be better off if they'd all go the way of the dodo... Meanwhile the worse thing a game like Rape Lay will ever do is provide a perv with a kink some masturbatory material.

omg...wow

did i not mention that religion has done terrible things? if you really think that religion is the route of all evil then your the niave one. there are those who are in such a desperate situation that the only thing that can help them is hope. and God, in any religion can be that hope. what right have you got to say they are deluded to hope that somewhere there is someone who care about them, or that eventually after they've been through all the stuff life throws at them there might be some justice in the end. you think religion invented violence and war? biggoted, racist, violent, war moungering people can be religious or not, it doesnt matter, and it wont stop them from doing whatever they want

 

[Cousin_IT]

Gang Raped by the Entire Village ~Girls Covered in Milky Liquid~

Sounds artistic

 

[Doug]

Sadism: The derivation of pleasure as a result of inflicting pain or watching pain inflicted on others.

Nice going with only showing the first out of over 8 definitions of what sadism is (well according to wikipedia that is).

Here is what Wikipedia says:

The fallowing can be considered Sadism:

1.Has used physical cruelty or violence for the purpose of establishing dominance in a relationship (not merely to achieve some noninterpersonal goal, such as striking someone in order to rob him/her).

2. Humiliates or demeans people in the presence of others.

3. Has treated or disciplined someone under his/her control unusually harshly.

4.Is amused by, or takes pleasure in, the psychological or physical suffering of others (including animals).

5. Has lied for the purpose of harming or inflicting pain on others (not merely to achieve some other goal).

6. Gets other people to do what he/she wants by frightening them (through intimidation or even terror).

7. Restricts the autonomy of people with whom he or she has a close relationship, e.g., will not let spouse leave the house unaccompanied or permit teenage daughter to attend social functions.

8. Is fascinated by violence, weapons, injury, or torture.

Can you noticed number 4, 6 and 8?

In most action games number 4 and 8 would apply, and in certain games like Mass Effect number 6 would apply as well since you can actually threaten people into doing what you want them to. So if your going to call rape games, games for sadists then i could also call you a sadist for liking Mass Effect or Killzone 2.

I hadn't seen the other definitions from wikipedia, but to counter your argument...

I would argue about 4 that most action games are not about the suffering of the enemy NPCs (again, Manhunt is an expection).

I would disagree with 8, but I don't know where they draw the line on 'fascinated'. The guy with torture posters and pictures of AK47's all over his walls is abit of a no brainer, but does someone who plays a game like TF2 frequently 'fascinated' by violence?

As for 6...hmmm, true about Mass Effect - you can act like a sadist by that definition.

 

[Slayer_2]

Really these games must suck (gameplay wise). I also doubt that I'd find them in the least erotic. But if you think about it, Halo (or any of your standard FPS's) is far worse than these "rape games". Killing people for points, time and time again. If you want to argue that they're shooting back at you, I'm sure there are plenty of games where you kill/torture the innocent/unarmed. I think I'd rather be raped than killed or tortured. As long as the people who play these games don't try it in real life, I really don't care what happens.

 

[Nemo from Utopia]

I don't mind if it isn't banned.

1) It's a game, there isn't a real child crying in a basement because it's been released.

2) You people act disgusted after killing thousands of "people"? I think you make me sick for your hypocrisy.

Again, "people" who are extremely quick to rise from the dead and attempt to shot us back. On top of that, (aside from Manhunt) is there a combat game about torturing the enemy? Or one where main thing is to cause the enemy agnony before they die?

Have you played GTA4?

Little confused with your first sentence also.

Yeah, I have. Again, I missed the 'Press X to torture' scene. And my first sentence was in reference to online multiplayer, where the majority of the 'people killing' happens. Add to that, the infinite respawning enemies in games like CoD4.

I think you've missed my point. I'm not on about torure here, I'm on about how killing has been normalised within games. Are you telling me that a rape game is worse than any point in GTA4 where you can walk up to a civilian, and gun them down in cold blood, kicking them as they crawl away? Use some sense.

Shoot them, yes. Shoot them, leave them crippled, and kick them in the face?! Can that occur in a GTA game? I haven't actually tried that, to be fair. And I would point out that, again, GTA isn't primarily about that - in fact, I don't think I've ever particularly tried to kill civilians in any GTA game - accidently hit the 'shoot' key, etc, but not tried to do so.

A rape game, in contrast, is about rape. You HAVE to rape to play the game, yes? Else it is an odd choice of game.

What matters is that the content is there, whether you use it or not.

After all, you could just be buying the rape game for the animations, which i've heard are terrific.

...thats rediculous. thats like saying 'some of the disney animators placed discrete falac images in the cartoons so it has sexual content so its as good as a porn film'...ok thats an extreme example but seriously, if a game presents you with the choice of how to behave that doesnt mean your gonna do it, and it doesnt necessarily encourage it. you dont get rewards for killing people brutally in GTA, you only ever get minimal money when you kill a civilian, not worth the bullets or the police chase really. basically it simulating RL, if you walked around with a gun you COULD kill people, or you could not. your choice. the games not called 'kill everyone and enjoy doing it' is it?

No, that is rediculous. If there was a bonus feature in mario than allowed you to decapitate people while doing the level, would it still be rated for kids? I think not, even though you would not be encouraged to do it. Are you so innocent as to believe that NOBODY ever kills civilians in GTA?

Oh and to destroy your argument, there is an achievement for killing 50 civilians with melee weapons in the first Saints Row. That sounds like motivation/reward to me.

Look at the bottom line, MURDER is worse than RAPE.

i never said that GTA should be for kids. most of the missions involve murder or crime in some form and i myself have gone on rampages against civilians. i am saying it doesnt necessarily encourage psychopathic behaviour (although it is fun). and as i say i was talking about GTA - replying to your post. i have never played saints row so i cant comment on that at all. the fact is in GTA there is no extra reward for being as brutal as you described, its your choice.

and murder is not the worst thing that can happen to you. try being tortured and abused, you'll want to die in the end. moreover rape has been know to lead to murder, or so ive been told.

 

[Caliostro]

I never said it did. And it was wikipedia, actually.

Oh I'm sorry clearly that's a lot better.

I don't go for the head normally, unless I'm using a sniper rifle, given its low firerate in most games, a headshot is necessary to avoid the guy you're shooting at popping rounds back.

Not in real life it's not, the crushing majority of the times you don't even have to kill people outside of wars. But in-game it is. It's almost always better to kill them.

Also, which games reward for overkill? Unreal Torunament is about the only one that springs to my mind.

Off the top of my head I can remember: Most multiplayer games (usually you get, at the very least, a nice "HEADSHOT!" message if you kill someone like so instead of shooting them in the body, many give you extra points for it), the GTA series, True Crime series, Postal, Fallout series, Hitman doesn't really reward you for overkill, but it does reward you for violence and sadism...etc.

Actually, no, I don't know pyschology,

Don't worry, I can tell.

and I'm fairly sure you don't either.

Just another thing you're wrong in.

As for the article, its an interesting read, especially the bit where is says that playing violent video games makes you no more likely to try and murder someone. Capable of using lethal force, yes, but not more likely to use it.

I'm wondering if you're just a good troll or legitimately this thick... That is what it says, what can we extract from there...?

You're basing your assumption that combat and rape trigger the same responses based on...? And yeah, "pleasure derived from the misfortunes of others", nice way to tell us you're a troll.

Spoiler: Oh boy...

It's all about control and yes, about the "misfortunes" of others.

You know, if you have no idea what you're talking about, it's usually a good idea not to talk at all.

The instructions for a nuclear bomb? The instructions for a fertillizer bomb? The instructions on how to actually murder someone quickly and quietly using only a knife (Manhunt...again)? Detailed instruction on how to buy, use, maintain, and aim a real gun?

And I'm guessing Rape Lay comes with a "how to" guide to rape...? Maybe a book-tape for immobilization techniques, or a manual on which kind of drugs to use and how to acquire them?
Your arguments are hilariously incoherent.

And again, you where trained in pyschology from...?

A university, something I'm guessing you never attended. That's all the personal information I'm giving you though

In retrospect, you can ignore this whole post because either you're a troll and you won't get it because you don't want to, or you're just this thick and you won't get it because... It's just above you... Either ways this is futile at best.

 

[WrongSprite]

moreover rape has been know to lead to murder, or so ive been told.

Not in this game...
We are talking about this game.
Therefore your argument is invalid.

 

[Nemo from Utopia]

....you point said 'Look at the bottom line, MURDER is worse than RAPE'...not 'in this game MURDER is worse than RAPE' but ok if thats what you meant and by murder you mean the scene you described in GTA then you have a point. although i dont really understand what your arguing about. are you saying you dont think these games should be banned (which i have also said), that these games arent as bad as GTA? or what?

by the way, has anyone else read this?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/the-needles/6127-You-Can-t-Be-the-Hero-If-You-re-the-Rapist

 

[Caliostro]

omg...wow

did i not mention that religion has done terrible things? if you really think that religion is the route of all evil then your the niave one.

It's "root", and I never said it was the root of all evil, but it is the root of a big part of it. Between greed and fanaticism, it's hard to deny it.

there are those who are in such a desperate situation that the only thing that can help them is hope. and God, in any religion can be that hope. what right have you got to say they are deluded to hope that somewhere there is someone who care about them, or that eventually after they've been through all the stuff life throws at them there might be some justice in the end.

I've hard that argument before, and I maintain my point: fuck that.

You know why? Because that is false hope. To use an analogy (I love'em), it's like you're dangling on a cliff about to fall, and have the option to grab on to a rod made of granite or a rod made of glass. Sure the glass one doesn't hurt as much when you hold it, but it's going to break, and you're going to fall. Ultimately living for an afterlife removes meaning from the actual life, when there is no after life. All it does is promote weakness. Where a person would have endured a harder time to come out better it's now eluding itself with comfortable lies while remaining just as weak as before.

you think religion invented violence and war? biggoted, racist, violent, war moungering people can be religious or not, it doesnt matter, and it wont stop them from doing whatever they want

Oh I'm quite aware war and hate are deeply entrenched in the human heart. But I assure you that if our cultures are the source, religions are one hell of a breeding ground.

 

[Lrbearclaw]

Murder and rape are two different things. A rape victim has to suffer EVERYDAY of their lives from then on with the mental and phyical trauma. Add in that ifthe woman gets pregnant EVER after that if she tries to birth the child (rather than a C-section) she could kill herself or the baby. Add in that every relationship from then on (even just friendship) will be affected. Murder ends the life, and yes there is pain for those close to the killed person but it is a different pain.

Before you call me a fool, keep in mind that I have had family die and my sister has been raped.

Murder games, rape games, or torture games make me sick and ANYONE that enjoys them needs to get help. There is a difference between war (Halo/Call of Duty) and murder (Manhunt). The biggest way to tell: Do they fight for selfish reasons? Same deal here, there is a difference between sex and rape. Rape is selfish while sex is for both parties.

The depths of human depravity really scares me.