Rape Games Banned in Japan, For Real

[The Great JT]

True, it's better to keep sex games out of young gamers' hands.

However, I can't help but wonder why not just sell sex games at sex shops or something?

 

[Nemo from Utopia]

omg...wow

did i not mention that religion has done terrible things? if you really think that religion is the route of all evil then your the niave one.

It's "root", and I never said it was the root of all evil, but it is the root of a big part of it. Between greed and fanaticism, it's hard to deny it.

there are those who are in such a desperate situation that the only thing that can help them is hope. and God, in any religion can be that hope. what right have you got to say they are deluded to hope that somewhere there is someone who care about them, or that eventually after they've been through all the stuff life throws at them there might be some justice in the end.

I've hard that argument before, and I maintain my point: fuck that.

You know why? Because that is false hope. To use an analogy (I love'em), it's like you're dangling on a cliff about to fall, and have the option to grab on to a rod made of granite or a rod made of glass. Sure the glass one doesn't hurt as much when you hold it, but it's going to break, and you're going to fall. Ultimately living for an afterlife removes meaning from the actual life, when there is no after life. All it does is promote weakness. Where a person would have endured a harder time to come out better it's now eluding itself with comfortable lies while remaining just as weak as before.

you think religion invented violence and war? biggoted, racist, violent, war moungering people can be religious or not, it doesnt matter, and it wont stop them from doing whatever they want

Oh I'm quite aware war and hate are deeply entrenched in the human heart. But I assure you that if our cultures are the source, religions are one hell of a breeding ground.

lol oh yea, missed that one, well done (with regards to 'root')

i cant be bothered to come up with an analogy but how can you not see hope is important? maybe in your senarios it doesnt help but not everyone who is in a desperate situation is hanging off a cliff (although that may be hard for you to believe). i cant even be bothered to argue this point any more. i dont care if you think religion is evil. thats your opinion and your choice and your welcome to it. why be so angry about other people's opinions of religion? but again, your perogative. lets just agree to differ and go on with our lives

 

[Nemo from Utopia]

I don't mind if it isn't banned.

1) It's a game, there isn't a real child crying in a basement because it's been released.

2) You people act disgusted after killing thousands of "people"? I think you make me sick for your hypocrisy.

Again, "people" who are extremely quick to rise from the dead and attempt to shot us back. On top of that, (aside from Manhunt) is there a combat game about torturing the enemy? Or one where main thing is to cause the enemy agnony before they die?

Have you played GTA4?

Little confused with your first sentence also.

Yeah, I have. Again, I missed the 'Press X to torture' scene. And my first sentence was in reference to online multiplayer, where the majority of the 'people killing' happens. Add to that, the infinite respawning enemies in games like CoD4.

I think you've missed my point. I'm not on about torure here, I'm on about how killing has been normalised within games. Are you telling me that a rape game is worse than any point in GTA4 where you can walk up to a civilian, and gun them down in cold blood, kicking them as they crawl away? Use some sense.

Shoot them, yes. Shoot them, leave them crippled, and kick them in the face?! Can that occur in a GTA game? I haven't actually tried that, to be fair. And I would point out that, again, GTA isn't primarily about that - in fact, I don't think I've ever particularly tried to kill civilians in any GTA game - accidently hit the 'shoot' key, etc, but not tried to do so.

A rape game, in contrast, is about rape. You HAVE to rape to play the game, yes? Else it is an odd choice of game.

What matters is that the content is there, whether you use it or not.

After all, you could just be buying the rape game for the animations, which i've heard are terrific.

...thats rediculous. thats like saying 'some of the disney animators placed discrete falac images in the cartoons so it has sexual content so its as good as a porn film'...ok thats an extreme example but seriously, if a game presents you with the choice of how to behave that doesnt mean your gonna do it, and it doesnt necessarily encourage it. you dont get rewards for killing people brutally in GTA, you only ever get minimal money when you kill a civilian, not worth the bullets or the police chase really. basically it simulating RL, if you walked around with a gun you COULD kill people, or you could not. your choice. the games not called 'kill everyone and enjoy doing it' is it?

Saints Row 2 rewards you with killing ordinary people. In fact the game even has side missions where you have to run out into the streets and kill everyone as fast as possible in order to earn money and respect. So your argument does not hold water.

again, i have never played saints row and i was talking about GTA. if you want to have a more general debate about all games ever then fair enough, but i cant be bothered.

what is it you think im arguing exactly? i dont want games to be banned, i just dont agree with a game solely about rape for numerous reason, which is my choice. if you think GTA or saints row is worse then thats fine, and to an extent i can see your point, but i dont agree. nothing you can say will change my mind and im sure nothing i can say will change the mind of anyone who dissagrees with me, so whats the point?

 

[Darkmark44]

Hmm... will this game have some sort of secret 'bondage mode' when you get to pour hot wax over the victim while fucking them?

I mean... the fact its a game sorta makes me no give a crap about the subject, cause I know that Japan made several sex things like hentai and such. the only thing I worry about is younger people thinking that Rape is good from a game, as we all know kids are sooo impressionable cause parents do not take responsibility and...blah blah blah.

 

[A random person]

It's been said before and I'll say it again: We kill a lot of dudes in video games, sometimes in very painful ways, and yet there is so much controversy over a rape game? Murder/killing is worse than rape, since if you're raped at least you're alive and can recover.

I personally consider the game sick, but I wouldn't support a ban. At least it isn't a government ban.

 

[traceur_]

Any culture that finds rape acceptable and entertaining should be wiped off the face of the earth. I don't give two shits about Japan but they continue to make me question whether or not the USSR and USA would have been better off wiping that shitty little island off the map in the first place.

You do know that Japanese culture doesn't find rape acceptable or entertaining don't you? Just because a game based on rape is made doesn't mean that all Japanese people like to watch rape for shits and giggles. Do your research next time.

 

[Spacelord]

Rape games make up 10-20% of the japanese pc game market

WHAT?

 

[Zombie_Fish]

True, it's better to keep sex games out of young gamers' hands.

However, I can't help but wonder why not just sell sex games at sex shops or something?

That would sound suitable for sex games, but as Lrbearclaw has said:

there is a difference between sex and rape. Rape is selfish while sex is for both parties.

Whilst sex is meant to be pleasurable and voluntary for both people involved, rape can be traumatic and leave mental or (If the rapist is fairly violent) physical scars and is thought of as a crime as a result. Thus why there is so much controversy and debate about these games, and why I'm against them.

 

[Rajin Cajun]

Any culture that finds rape acceptable and entertaining should be wiped off the face of the earth. I don't give two shits about Japan but they continue to make me question whether or not the USSR and USA would have been better off wiping that shitty little island off the map in the first place.

You do know that Japanese culture doesn't find rape acceptable or entertaining don't you? Just because a game based on rape is made doesn't mean that all Japanese people like to watch rape for shits and giggles. Do your research next time.

It makes up 10-20% of it the market share I would say that is enough to be disturbing.

 

[I_LIKE_CAKE]

I just got up and now I feel like I need another shower. I try not to condemn cultures I don't understand, but those games are disgusting and completely indefensible.

actually, there is the defense that some people have a fetish for it, i actually know of a couple who play it together, and it brightens up their sex life a bit

you know, just sayin'

What consenting adults do is none of my business, but I maintain that fantasizing about rape (which is what playing the games in question amounts to) is messed up, and should be discouraged.

I just got up and now I feel like I need another shower. I try not to condemn cultures I don't understand, but those games are disgusting and completely indefensible.

Your appearance is disgusting and completely indefensible, and i know because i saw you take that shower.......

That was supposed to be our secret!

 

[jthm]

Ahahaha! Rapelay. Good thing I already downloaded my translated copy... err... I mean... how shocking and horrible.

 

[ckam]

This is quite an interesting scandal. Well I am personally and morally against these kind of video games, but I really doubt that it's "only women who get raped" and that "we must ban this so then females only would stop getting objectified". Now it really seems like the protesters are really quite sexist here aren't they? Oh my gosh, another scandal!!!

But in all seriousness, I think people are logical enough not to get these kind of games and the "laws" that were passed won't seem to really do anything.

As quoted from Penn Jilette, "I think that blaming a video game for rape is normalizing violent sexual behavior. What that says is that we are all rapists and that rape is just under the surface of us and all we need is a video game to just push us a little way... What blaming the video game does is it shows compassion for the rapist. It shows understanding. At some level, in some small amount, it says, 'It's not really the rapist's fault; it's society's fault for putting this stuff out here'."

 

[meisnewbie]

What I find interesting is that somehow having rape be unacceptable means that it IS acceptable to demonize an entire country of people. Xenophobia much?

Also, again to point out, lolicon (animated porn of children) was banned in 2001, and essentially what's changed is this Little gem:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/meisnewbie/VN/1244065391237.png

> Though it is a truly surprising fact,
>no minors appear in this work.
>
>Terms such as "5th grade elementary school student" and "11 years old" are used in the story,
>but it must be that an adult woman is acting out the role of an elementary student.
>
>It's quite strange, really.

And again, this is just the EOCS. There exists another self regulating body named the CSA which has yet to meet on this subject (although the chences of them NOT doing anything is pretty... low)

Also everyone here doesn't seem to understand what a "rape game' is and what is being regulated. Rapelay is very niche even among games featuring rape (which are the games being regulated right now) which limits the players interaction to clicking a choice once every couple of minutes. In which case it's at best just a very graphic porn novel.

 

[nokelso]

Now I just really don't care anymore, because honestly? Unless I get raped and the man is screaming that a Japanese game gave him the idea, then I might care.

 

[Dogstile]

I just got up and now I feel like I need another shower. I try not to condemn cultures I don't understand, but those games are disgusting and completely indefensible.

actually, there is the defense that some people have a fetish for it, i actually know of a couple who play it together, and it brightens up their sex life a bit

you know, just sayin'

What consenting adults do is none of my business, but I maintain that fantasizing about rape (which is what playing the games in question amounts to) is messed up, and should be discouraged.

I just got up and now I feel like I need another shower. I try not to condemn cultures I don't understand, but those games are disgusting and completely indefensible.

Your appearance is disgusting and completely indefensible, and i know because i saw you take that shower.......

That was supposed to be our secret!

in that case, your telling people that having there own /personal/ (important word that) fantasy's is wrong, which is bollocks, because you can't control what people like.

maintain that its messed up all you will, if they act on it, sure, go ahead and prosecute the git who did it, but there is nothing wrong with fantasizing about ANYTHING, as that doesn't hurt anyone.

 

[scotth266]

Spoiler: Time for a copy/paste job!

Rape games are essentially interactive porn: that is their purpose, the intent behind their creation.

That having been said: porn is legal in the US, even the raping variety. So I fail to see us having any right to criticize the Japanese.

Also, one must wonder at the source of the uproar behind this: is it that the rapes are in the games, that they can be performed (as in, they are interactive), or that they are the goal?

In the case of the first option, I would like to remind everyone that rape has been a common factor used in both art, music, and movies for quite some time now (the latter especially so if you're a vivid watcher of Lifetime Movies like my mother is). So before you ban rape in games, you must ban it in all mediums.

With regards to the second option: I think that this isn't the real issue people draw with the game either. If rape were put into the game as a tool for pushing the storyline, or just as an extra option added to a sandbox game like GTA (as in, it would be a extra thing to do, and not the overall objective), people would get angry, but not as angry as they are now. That's just being realistic: we can't say NO USING RAPE to game developers, because that's discrimination against the medium. It's in the same school of thought as the Hide Your Children [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HideYourChildren] trope of game development, and I object to that. Why should we tell people that they can't use rape or child violence in games when they could be used to tell a story or make a point?

When venturing into the third option, I must say that my morals make me inclined to agree: rape as the goal of a game is disgusting. But should we generally ban rape in games just because of this? Or more importantly: why should we when rape is used in other forms of media?

I think that rape in games, for better or worse, is here to stay. All people can do is use their wallets to decide the context in which it is used.

And, as predicted, the law passed is rather pointless. The lawmakers pat themselves on the back, smile for the presses, the games continue to be sold, controversy will inevitably pop up again in the future. In other words: another day passes as normal.

 

[Lrbearclaw]

Whilst sex is meant to be pleasurable and voluntary for both people involved, rape can be traumatic and leave mental or (If the rapist is fairly violent) physical scars and is thought of as a crime as a result. Thus why there is so much controversy and debate about these games, and why I'm against them.

Forsooth.

But sadly this all falls back to the thread about the Saw/Hostal movies. I believe the term was "torture porn". There are sick people out there and sadly they don't give a flying f**k about getting help. They enjoy those games or movies and justify it as "It's not like I am DOING it in real life" while they talk about how they would have done it different or how they are sympothtic with the pervert/monster doing the crimes. There IS no justification, if you think about how you would have done it then you just did it in your mind. It is no difference than a fantasy 'you' (general) use to pleasure yourself. In this case there is no grey area, just black and white.

 

[Riyka]

so presumably if rape games should be portraying it as the horrific act it is...then all games that involve murder/killing etc should quit gloryfying and justifying it? i'll be the first to admit i dont play FPS that much but from what i've seen killing certainly isn't portrayed in game the same as it would be out game...

And don't get me wrong i am not saying the games are ok or that there is nothing wrong with them...merely that like everything you play on a console/PC it is NOT REAL, just because you enjoy playing agame about rape does not make you any more likely to rape someone than playing a game about killing someone makes you more likely to kill someone.

I have watched and enjoyed incest themed anime as well as Shouta, this doesnt mean i would enjoy either of those things in Real life...
It's been a generally accpeted theory that many 'taboo' things become less taboo in 'fake' situations usually games or animations.....

Everything is someones fetish, and playing a game about it is a lot safer than doing it...

i dont really disagree or agree with banning the games...there is nothing wrong with the games themselves...its the way the people who play them might behave after playing them..
but then the same has been said of violent games and they haven't been banned yet..