Ximaus said:
I don't think you understood why it was met with outrage.
It's a rape simulator.
I know it centers around rape. What is not being understood here is that people and the media have been citing video games as causes of violence (or "murder simulators", and that's a quote) for years. Sex and sexuality is just a hot topic for the media and activist groups. That's the "Sex Vs Violence" argument that I alluded to.
Well, Japan is free ... even if for no other reason than not wanting to be sent to jail as a sex offender.
So exactly what is the number of rapes per capita in more "civilized" countries? I claim no specialty on this issue, but am able to work google.
According to the Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems (Based on number of crimes per 1,000 capita:
Canada is #5 with a rate of 0.733
The UK is #13 with 0.1421
America is #9 with 0.0.3013
Japan is listed as #54 with 0.0177
It's not like Japan's transit systems are the first to offer special consecrations to female riders either. Canadian bus lines have been offering after dark courtesy stops for years.
Its one thing to have it as propaganda; at the very least, in the US, you are (mostly) protected to make any content you want in your games. It is another thing to distribute it to the general populace. People would not claim that Japan did anything illegal, some of them simply want the rules to change so such material could not be so easily accessible.
This is an example of principally fringe foreign market gaming, it's hard to determine exactly how many people play these games (let someone else google-fu that if they want). Of course people aren't going to say it's illegal, it's happening in another country. The issue is that it got onto Amazon, and I address this in the third paragraph from the bottom.
It's a game whereby you rape schoolgirls and then proceed to rape more schoolgirls. There is really no gray area. While the Supreme Court in the US has ruled that such material is not illegal people are still upset that it is as readily available in Japan as ever.
You basically have to know what you are looking for in other countries to find such things.
Where do I infer a grey area in that statement? A viewer will either believe it's wrong and be offended to some degree, or find it acceptable and not. How do you even define readily available? Do you think that RapeLay and other hentai games can be found next to the milk? That they get handed out in class? Do you have any idea of the scope of crap that's lying around stinking up your own back yard but you're too busy passing judgment from atop your glass house to notice?
Um, no.
If the male character rapes someone then he is a rapist. YOU, the player, on the other hand are not a rapist, if that is what you meant.
You are misunderstanding and misquoting me. I am giving the scenario where the roles are reversed, saying that I would hope that a woman with an "average" amount of moral stature and mental clarity can tell the difference between me as a man and a character as a rapist from a video game.
Again, you are assuming your own culture. Although it has very much improved since a decade ago, the fact that many men did not have the "common sense" to not try to grope some random woman on the train, or that many men use to buy used panties, just adds credit to the idea that maybe what is "common sense" for one person is not so "common" for another.
And again you are both misunderstanding and misquoting me. I'm drawing the distinction between a man who has the ability to say "this is happening in a game and should only happen in a game" and a man that says "this is happening in a game, and makes me want to do it in real life". One is a person with a deviant sexual appetite and the other is a potential rapist. Rape is still considered a crime, and even if the man has no moral objection to it there is still the legal deterrent. You said it yourself with "That is still something most men in western countries would never dream of doing; even if for no other reason than not wanting to be sent to jail as a sex offender.". Finally, since you continue to use the 'States as a point of reference, let me ask you this: What occurs first, supply or demand? I'm not condoning this material by any means, I'm just saying that people should get the hell off their high horse and deal with it rationally without the self interest.
Slight correction:
Violent sex acts aren't the problem. Having a society which gives you the message that violent sex acts might be okay is the problem.
Based purely on those two lines, it's a wonder you haven't murdered your countrymen and used their hollowed out skulls to store Skittles.
Amazon does ask you if you are over 18 before you view any of their more adult oriented products.
I will concede that you are right in correcting half my statement if you tell me your honest reaction if I were to say that I am seventeen and just browsed through Amazon's rather extensive hentai DVD catalog. I will concede the point entirely if you can honestly tell me how RapeLay showed up in an age protected search and how that's considered "readily available" and harmful to the staunch moral fibre of the more civilized nations.
Well, since rapes still occur, and probably will continue to occur, I don't think people are trying to prevent all violent sex crimes. They are likely just appalled at some of the elements that are deemed "acceptable" in Japanese society.
I'm a little confused. There are sex crimes that people aren't trying to prevent? Someone is breaking the law and no one is doing anything? They're not being pursued and punished? If only there were some system... And what here implies acceptability? This is a product of a niche market. People do a lot of shit that isn't acceptable but they're entitled to do it for the same reasons that people can speak freely and yadda yadda yadda I won't read from that script. Ero, and more specifically rape games have a dedicated fan base that supports it. Some (a small percentage) of those people undoubtedly will be faced with the question of morals (or legalities, since you seem so found of referring to the legal system when it is convenient) verses libido and some will choose poorly and will rightfully be held accountable.
So in the end, between willfully misrepresenting me and attempting to support a double standard (but more for the personal slight), I'll get you off the frozen pole, but I won't be using warm water. And you'll have to actually read my post for that reference.
