Rape Games Not Banned in Japan After All

[benylor]

There seems to be a lot of noise in this thread about banning the whole genre because it's, uh, evil. While this is an understandable emotional response, it forgets the entire essence of free speech.

In Voltaire's words, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

 

[Doug]

Ignore this post. Stupid computer. ¬_¬

Edit: Actually...

Rape is a despicable thing, and anyone who does it deserves to be locked up and have their head examined. If there's something wrong, fine. Try and fix it. If you can't fix it, put them somewhere comfortable where they can never hurt anyone again.
But if there's nothing wrong with them mentally, stick them in jail where they can get cozy with a fat guy named Bubba for a while, then tatoo the word "RAPIST" on their forehead. Rapists are scum, and deserve no sympathy.

Agreed!

And the only thing worse than a rapist is someone who falsely accuses someone of rape for revenge or attention.

Sadly, this does occur. And is part of (although not completely) the reason rape convictions are so low. Add to that, its a case of she say's its rape, he says it wasn't/was rough sex. Trying to prove consent or lack of is extremely difficult unless there was a witness to the event; and then of course, they should have tried to stop it, and hence aren't likely to come forward.

some one with the right way of thinking when it comes to these issues.
Further more you should tell japan this before these sorts of games give all forms of video games a bad name and any one who plays them could look like rapist.

Indeed, but the problem is they may well count 'we you have games based around combat and death, does that make you a murderer?' and I'm not sure how to answer that. I feel they are different, but I can't explain why...

Although I think in the case of Manhunt/Manhunt 2, thats probably a justifable argument, heh. Anyway, I do know of erotic MUDs (the MMO origins), and although players may engage in rape RP situations, they generally have a 'don't do it in public room' rule.

 

[Agayek]

Even if they don't know right from wrong?

Yes. They chose to attack someone, and they should be punished. I don't particularly care what their reasons are for it.

Yet even if they did get their treatment, you would still call them scum, would you not?

It depends on the situation. If they had gotten treatment of their own free will, and the doctor approved them as being "better", then I would give them another chance. I would not trust them alone with any women for a while, but I would be willing to give them another chance.

Not all "rapists" are actually rapists. Some have been labeled that by the law due to a girlfriend or an ex wanting revenge, or being framed and the law not noticing it and labeling them one.

Those aren't rapists. Those are people that have been wrongly convicted of rape.

We're running into problems of semantics here. "Rapists" are people that have committed rape. It does not matter if they've been caught or not.

How does that completely and utterly invalidate any and all arguments they may have?

They chose to violate a fundamental principle of human society. They made the choice, and anything you or I say about it will not change it. Simply put, anyone that chooses to rape or murder someone does not deserve the decency of hearing them out.

You seem to be really bent on wanting to have all rapists condemned to the worst thing alive, no matter what, if they did it knowingly or unknowingly, willingly or unwillingly, or at all. As long as they hold the term "rapist," you seem to be completely against them no matter what. Why do you have such hatred? Why do you feel the desire to judge and hate an entire group of people?

1) Every single person can control their actions, in every possible situation. It's the only thing we as humans can control.
2) You cannot unknowingly and/o unwillingly rape someone.
3) Murderers are worse than rapists and deserve much stronger punishment.
4) I hate rapists because rape is disgusting and anyone that does it is no worse than an animal. They deserve nothing more than swift retribution.

Also, this quoting we are doing seems to be getting rather big, in my opinion, so many quotes, so little time. No matter what I seem to show to you, you just say "they're rapists, any arguments made for them are invalided." Why should I waste my time trying to show you something when you're not being open minded? I'm done with this, not worth my time. Farewell, Agayek. May we meet again, hopefully with friendship in mind, rather than arguments.

You aren't showing anything. All you are saying is that I should not judge all rapists.

The problem there is that all rapists are rapists because of their actions and decisions. Using those criteria is the only valid way to judge someone. Reasons are irrelevant to the discussion. They raped someone, one of the worst crimes imaginable, and so they don't deserve anything but contempt.

I would agree with you if it was something they couldn't control, but every single one of them made the decision to do it.

 

[traceur_]

Oh Japan, you so crazy.

I can't figure out whether I'm for or against this sort of thing so I'll just perch myself on the fence.

I'm not sure if this is true or not but I can see these games as being a release for some people, some people play violent games to take out their frustration so I can imagine some people playing this to release some of their urges, I'd rather have people getting their jollies by raping pixels instead of raping women in the real world.

I can also see this as a massive insult to rape victims or friends/relatives of rape victims.

Japan doesn't have to answer to the western world, let the japanese people figure this out.

 

[Flying-Emu]

Erm.

Am I the only one more offended about being delivered false information than hearing about developments in a country halfway 'round the world?

Bloody hell, people. These folks just destroyed a pillar of journalism! And no one cares... how quaint. These reporters (Not the Escapists, as they did not actually alter information. Love ya, Maly.) at TBS should beashamed for providing false information. This is the most sickening thing I've seen in years.

 

[Doug]

Also, this quoting we are doing seems to be getting rather big, in my opinion, so many quotes, so little time. No matter what I seem to show to you, you just say "they're rapists, any arguments made for them are invalided." Why should I waste my time trying to show you something when you're not being open minded? I'm done with this, not worth my time. Farewell, Agayek. May we meet again, hopefully with friendship in mind, rather than arguments.

You aren't showing anything. All you are saying is that I should not judge all rapists.

The problem there is that all rapists are rapists because of their actions and decisions. Using those criteria is the only valid way to judge someone. Reasons are irrelevant to the discussion. They raped someone, one of the worst crimes imaginable, and so they don't deserve anything but contempt.

I would agree with you if it was something they couldn't control, but every single one of them made the decision to do it.

Agreed! Rape is a horrific crime; a form of torture that can hang a vale of suffering over the rest of the victim's life. Rapists should have no rights, as their is absolutely no reason to committ rape other that the criminal's own pleasure and/or to cause suffering to the victim.

Murder at least has motive, even if they aren't really truly justifiable. Note: Self-defense and accidently causing deaths aren't murder.

 

[Deathsong17]

Make your mind up!

 

[Avalanche91]

America has over the top violence, gore and the right to carry guns,
Japan has rape-games,
Europe has nothing,
Australia has kangaroos.

Isn't anyone slightly surprised people are only bothered by it now someone tries selling it in America, while rape-games have been selling (and availeble by import/download) for a decade or so now?

no?

just me?

 

[world_of_dragons]

Well, I've decided to take a neutral stance on this since while I do support free speech and the like, I really REALLY don't like this game or its genre. So, as I said before

fuck it

 

[world_of_dragons]

EDIT 2: Ya know let me ask this question because I'm going to put myself out here. Have any of you growing up even played an H-game? Not a game like Rapelay but of the H-game genre? It's overall pretty tame and when I played a couple of them(I was that interested in the Japanese culture both historically and pop culture) and the focus wasn't on the sex but the evolution of the relationship.

I actually, I've played a few and... Well, I guess we're playing different h-games. My first h-game, Hitomi: My stepsister had one arc that was nothing but rape/sexual abuse/male-domination... which pissed me off. But skipping through the parts I didn't like paid off as I finally got to be nice to the girl and what have you.

There's another one-whose name I no longer remember-was really nothing but trying to make a couple of pop singers popular through way of sexual exploitation... Then raping the two girls and their manager and after that I just stopped playing.

The rest I have are mostly lovey-dovey romance h-games and while I find them a bit cheesy, the scenes aren't half bad

 

[NoDamnNames]

America has over the top violence, gore and the right to carry guns,
Japan has rape-games,
Europe has nothing,
Australia has kangaroos.

Europe has "Tea Time"

 

[Internet Kraken]

Erm.

Am I the only one more offended about being delivered false information than hearing about developments in a country halfway 'round the world?

Bloody hell, people. These folks just destroyed a pillar of journalism! And no one cares... how quaint. These reporters (Not the Escapists, as they did not actually alter information. Love ya, Maly.) at TBS should beashamed for providing false information. This is the most sickening thing I've seen in years.

Yes, this does bother me.

Makes me wonder what other false information may have been received from other news sources. This is why I hate the media.

 

[theCMNDER]

It's just a game, there's far worse stuff out there on the internet, especially now I know about the #chans......*shudders*

Oh dear, rule 1.

On Topic: I have to agree with the idea that rapists might take it as an alternative to raping the rest of us. If it stops even one rapist it is worth it!

 

[SageGaspar]

First, the game is not cathartic for anyone and the best that can be said for it is that people aren't actually getting raped. There's the very real possibility that some teenager gets into this shit and his subconscious training helps him cross a boundary when he's on top of his girlfriend one day. It's worse than a "murder" simulation game in that someone is more likely to take one step too far when they're pawing their girlfriend with hormones raging than be walking around with a gun in the heat of a murderous rage. However, banning it is useless and we should not be censoring things we just don't like. Humanity at large is better than "see rape game, then rape" and stores will refuse to stock the game either way for the simple fact that the vast vast majority of people really don't like rape or rape games.

Rape is traumatic. It's an intensely personal crime where someone dominates you on a very intimate level. Rape victims will have nightmares and it will haunt them for years. But humans are resilient, and we can overcome adversity if we are not encouraged to wallow in it. You can recover from the trauma. It does not need to define your life. It should not define your life. Suggesting that we need to tiptoe around the subject so that rape victims do not shatter like glass DISempowers them. It suggests that despite all your words, deep down you really believe that the rape victim is damaged goods and will never recover without being sheltered. It's feeding the trauma. If you are actually friends with a rape victim the last thing you do is run around sighing dramatically and suggesting that it's a worse fate than death. It is just not helpful to anyone. Unless you think suicidal depression is the cure.

You really want to help fight rape, at least in America, stop white knighting about killing all the rapists with your bare hands and instead focus on our weird hangups about sex that cause us to be fixated on it. Give teens realistic sex education. Stop going fucking ballistic whenever anything remotely related to sex appears on broadcast television. Stop treating guys like a penis with a body attached whose worth depends on notches in the headboard. Stop treating the vagina like it's some sacred object not suited for discussion from which women derive some sort of archaic purity.

People being embarrassed and ashamed about sex and our bodies in general is a huge cause of both rape and its under reporting.

 

[bad rider]

Amazing how much attention this has gotten, i'm sure there are worse things out there.

 

[MasterStratus]

Does it really matter? Either way, they'll find a way to play it. They don't care what the law says.

 

[TsunamiWombat]

Yes! I'm so glad that a ban did not come from peer pressure of equal rights group and New York. You cannot be a proponent of free speech if you want things that you don't like banned especially if the content isn't in the country you live in or affects you.

Remember the whole reason we have this mess is because some American thought in his retarded mind that selling Rapelay on amazone would be a good idea. A game that is only sold in Japan and only in that country and is not meant to leave the country's boarders. The problem lies in distribution of an individual going out of their way to try and make a profit in the American market.

If Japan does decide to close the production of H-games related to this content then they should do so on their own reasons and terms and not any other country, nation or ideology.

EDIT:Also remember in Japan violence and gore is looked down upon more than sexual relations of any kind. Ever wonder why you don't see extreme violence games from Japan and if you do they are tame by american standards? There are different priorities in Japan than the country you live in. Americans LOVE their violence and their second amendment(Ya damn right Link would support the second amendment to his grave) but sexual relations are something to not be seen or heard and looked down upon unless the relation has the context of "love". This would also explain why american movies only get close to sex by kissing and heavy petting.

EDIT 2: Ya know let me ask this question because I'm going to put myself out here. Have any of you growing up even played an H-game? Not a game like Rapelay but of the H-game genre? It's overall pretty tame and when I played a couple of them(I was that interested in the Japanese culture both historically and pop culture) and the focus wasn't on the sex but the evolution of the relationship.

This. It's also important to remember these videogames, despite the horrific nature of the actions, don't actually hurt anyone. You can't say there's no correlation between violence and violent games and then claim there is one between sex and videogames. We are in no posistion to judge.

Anyway like I said, not gonna happen. And it didn't.