Rapist With The Dragon Tattoo

[William Dickbringer]

-SNIP-

here's the thing about her you get on her bad side and she'll fuck your life up she has no tolerance for men who abuser to women and rapist (which apparently every guy is an ass) the being was to give the rapist a taste of his own medicine and to make sure that he won't do anything to her (or anybody else) again extreme? yes but it's the way she is also in the book it was pretty long itself and can't say for american version but I don't like the swedish version (that everyone says is better) it just moves things around for continuity wise

If a guy manages to get raped by a female then he deserves it for being so pathetically stupid and laughably weak, end of story -_-

someone hasn't read the book/watched the movies there was a taser involved she also doesn't fight fair so having a woman over power you is easy unless you can shrug off 100,000 volts going through your body

 

[lacktheknack]

A Big Snip.

Do you know what characterisation is? This particular segment establishes a fairly defining characteristic of Lisbeth and her methods and ability to respond to things. She is also not meant to be terribly sympathetic at this point in the story.

Also how fucked up are you that you sympathise with the guy who thinks it's okay to rape an apparently simple girl under his care?

He's just as screwed up as the people who sympathise with a girl who assaults and anally rapes a dude and vandalizes his body.

Rape is rape.

Here's a question for you: If she raped him first, would it be so much better if rape became his revenge?

 

[lacktheknack]

If a guy manages to get raped by a female then he deserves it for being so pathetically stupid and laughably weak, end of story -_-

says a brony.. god i love the internet

Says someone with a murloc for their avatar...god i love the internet

Oh wait, that makes no sense and isn't even relevant, just like your comment -_-

I was just saying that if a full-grown man gets "raped" by a woman, the majority will only point and laugh at him (because it's "extra humiliating"), not sympathize. And there's a good reason for that, because women raping men is astronomically rare for obvious reasons.

I'll send someone over to your house later with a taser and see what you say about it then, OK?

I mean, you know what tasers DO, right? They aren't things you shrug off, they're devices that turn your limbs to jelly, pull your muscles incredibly tight, overload your nervous system and even stop your heart if you have heart troubles. You get hit with a taser, you fall down. That's just what happens. Then you're stunned for several seconds, and the assailant can do whatever.

Unless you're magically immune to this, but quite frankly, I'd like to see you taser yourself before I'll believe that.

 

[lacktheknack]

He raped her in the ass, literally handcuffed and raped her in the ass. I dont get the disconnect here, she was 100% justified in taking her revenge. Are you the kind of person who does wrong and expects the victim to just take it and shut up? I just dont understand your point of view at all.

I'm assuming that, if the same events happened, but in reverse order, you'd be cheering for the guy, yes?

If you wouldn't (and you likely wouldn't), then that's his point. Double standards. Alternatively, he wants to know why there were two rapes in the first place.

 

[Mycroft Holmes]

1) The plot wasn't confusing at all. I had never seen the other movie, and I had never read the books. It really wasn't that difficult to follow.

2) OP apparently doesn't understand characterization. Not everything always 100% furthers the plot. Some thing are there to explain a character to you. You can not like that character, but you can't ***** at the writers for simply trying to explain the character to you.

 

[Fluffythepoo]

If a guy manages to get raped by a female then he deserves it for being so pathetically stupid and laughably weak, end of story -_-

says a brony.. god i love the internet

Says someone with a murloc for their avatar...god i love the internet

Oh wait, that makes no sense and isn't even relevant, just like your comment -_-

I was just saying that if a full-grown man gets "raped" by a woman, the majority will only point and laugh at him (because it's "extra humiliating"), not sympathize. And there's a good reason for that, because women raping men is astronomically rare for obvious reasons.

and this right here is why i love the internet... thatll do brony, thatll do

 

[MHR]

I saw the movie up until the first rape scene where I decided I don't want to watch some stupidly bland detective movie that just throws some rape out of nowhere. However I don't get the problem here. He rapes, he gets rammed by a glass dildo. If he wanted the civilized justice he'd call the cops.

It's pretty much okay. Someone can go ahead and shame her and say it was wrong and two wrongs dont make a blah blah blah, but many people would see good reason to be lenient in their judgement of her.

If "cruel and unusual punishment" wasn't forbidden in the constitution, some would even call it proper justice if administered by the state. LARGE painful glass dildo treatment up the ass would be a hell of a lot cheaper than paying some years worth of taxpayer money for prison boarding.

 

[Savryc]

He raped her in the ass, literally handcuffed and raped her in the ass. I dont get the disconnect here, she was 100% justified in taking her revenge. Are you the kind of person who does wrong and expects the victim to just take it and shut up? I just dont understand your point of view at all.

At a guess, I'm going to say his point of view is, "So my mom lied to me, and two wrongs do make a right? It's okay to rape someone as long as he raped you first? So if someone got drunk and killed my wife in a car wreck, it would be okay for me to go run over his wife because he did it first?"

Your analogy is totally irrelevant, if my wife got killed by a drunk driver, my beef would be with the driver, not his wife. If america kills my family with a drone strike, then I will spend my life getting revenge.

If someone rapes me in the ass, then I WANT FUCKING JUSTICE, and justice is to give him his own medicine, so that the ************ knows what its like to be on the recieving end. What if you got raped in the ass by some sweaty fat clown huh? What would you do? Write him a sternly worded letter?

No, Justice would be a trial by jury and a jail sentence. What you're suggesting isn't Justice, it's iron age barbarism. I get you're going for this "I'm a tough guy thing" and fine that's up to you but don't try and twist your lynch mob mentality into Justice.

 

[chadachada123]

Isn't rape categorically wrong and a crime no matter who commits it to who? Why does this beloved (from what I've seen online) character get let off the hook? One could argue that he "deserved" it or was "asking for it," but by definition, no one deserves or asks for rape. It's not possible. It feels pretty despicable and disgusting to paint that act of violence as justifiable, which I'm pretty sure this movie does. Maybe I'm weird and looking at it the wrong way, but it feels fucked up.

I don't see why it would be impossible to deserve being tortured, or how the definition of 'rape' would play into that.

I think it's very possible, and I think that what was in the movie was definitely justifiable.

Legally justifiable? Sure, of course not. But morally? I see absolutely no problem with what Lisbeth did in the movie.

Not to mention how incredibly important those scenes were for character development and to give you an idea of just what this girl is like.

As far as your understanding of the movie as a whole, it sucks that you don't like mysteries (or at least can't follow along during them), because I found it to be one of the best movies I've ever seen, and this movie had my intention the entire time.

Edit: Note that I'm equating torture and rape, because they are functionally equivalent, especially when the movie's context is taken into account. Both characters were tortured by the other, with some form of sexual penetration as the device by which they were tortured.

 

[Vault101]

If a guy manages to get raped by a female then he deserves it for being so pathetically stupid and laughably weak, end of story -_-

yes, Id love to see how you work your way out of being tazered to the point of unconciousness...tied up, beaten....and then have a metal plug shoved up your ass

since your aparently not "pathetic and weak" I'm sure you'd handle it just fine...

 

[Fluffythepoo]

Lynch mob my ass, how is one person getting revenge for something that 100% without a doubt happened to her a lynch mob mentality? Jesus what hole are these rapist apologists coming from. It seems to me many of you are defending the rapist on some perceived inequality between man rape and woman rape cases. While that may exist, it doesnt excuse the rape of women because many people dont treat rape of men by women as seriously.

I thought the issue was breaking the law isn't justifiable under the law, so raping a rapist isn't justifiable. The issue isn't defending the rapist, the issue is punishing the rapist legally and raping them isn't legal... that said im not sure how much id trust a blind girl with a sword anyway

 

[chadachada123]

He raped her in the ass, literally handcuffed and raped her in the ass. I dont get the disconnect here, she was 100% justified in taking her revenge. Are you the kind of person who does wrong and expects the victim to just take it and shut up? I just dont understand your point of view at all.

I'm assuming that, if the same events happened, but in reverse order, you'd be cheering for the guy, yes?

Absolutely.

I believe there actually was an episode of Law and Order: SVU that dealt with this topic, and I remember telling myself "yeah, I don't blame this guy. I'd do the same in his position."

A really good movie that deals with this is Law-Abiding Citizen, and in that movie, pretty much everyone in the movie agrees that (spoiler ahead)

Spoiler

what the main character did to the person that raped/murdered his daughter in front of him was completely justified, and that his arrest was only because they HAD to, not because they wanted to. And the average (sane) person would be rooting for this guy, too, given the circumstances.

 

[MHR]

Rape by woman is less serious unless she's ugly or does it to your ass where you can't get some payment for your trouble, 'nomsayin?

Or if she's trying to get a kid from you to rob you of child support. That would be bad.

Edit: if you're gay though, you'd understandably want that less though, so there's also that.

 

[chadachada123]

yes, Id love to see how you work your way out of being tazered to the point of unconciousness...tied up, beaten....and then have a metal plug shoved up your ass

since your aparently not "pathetic and weak" I'm sure you'd handle it just fine...

I'll send someone over to your house later with a taser and see what you say about it then, OK?

I mean, you know what tasers DO, right? They aren't things you shrug off, they're devices that turn your limbs to jelly, pull your muscles incredibly tight, overload your nervous system and even stop your heart if you have heart troubles. You get hit with a taser, you fall down. That's just what happens. Then you're stunned for several seconds, and the assailant can do whatever.

Unless you're magically immune to this, but quite frankly, I'd like to see you taser yourself before I'll believe that.

And here comes the big man who thinks he can shrug off a taser like it weren't no thing.

I think it's pretty obvious that this guy didn't even see the movie. He clearly has no idea that a tazer was involved. Just point out that there WAS a tazer and that his argument doesn't hold water for this movie for that reason, and then let it go. Eesh. Alternately, just call him sexist and leave it at that. Don't combine the two: It makes you look bad, like responding to a kid asking about Santa with a slap to the face, comparatively-speaking.

Lynch mob my ass, how is one person getting revenge for something that 100% without a doubt happened to her a lynch mob mentality? Jesus what hole are these rapist apologists coming from. It seems to me many of you are defending the rapist on some perceived inequality between man rape and woman rape cases. While that may exist, it doesnt excuse the rape of women because many people dont treat rape of men by women as seriously.

I thought the issue was breaking the law isn't justifiable under the law, so raping a rapist isn't justifiable. The issue isn't defending the rapist, the issue is punishing the rapist legally and raping them isn't legal... that said im not sure how much id trust a blind girl with a sword anyway

This is going to end up being semantics, because what is legally justifiable isn't necessarily what is morally justifiable. It just ends up being an argument about what "justice" and "justified" means.

If my daughter was killed, I would consider it morally justifiable to kill the murderer, even if it would be against the law and not legally justifiable. I imagine that's what the other poster thinks, too.

 

[CheckD3]

Yes, he got what was coming to him, but yes, he really could go to the cops. But would you really go to the cops and admit you were anally violated by a dildo by a girl, then have what was on your body become public knowledge?

 

[Fluffythepoo]

Lynch mob my ass, how is one person getting revenge for something that 100% without a doubt happened to her a lynch mob mentality? Jesus what hole are these rapist apologists coming from. It seems to me many of you are defending the rapist on some perceived inequality between man rape and woman rape cases. While that may exist, it doesnt excuse the rape of women because many people dont treat rape of men by women as seriously.

I thought the issue was breaking the law isn't justifiable under the law, so raping a rapist isn't justifiable. The issue isn't defending the rapist, the issue is punishing the rapist legally and raping them isn't legal... that said im not sure how much id trust a blind girl with a sword anyway

Fuck the law. Its legal to bribe politicians. Its legal to stash your money offshore so that it cant be taxed by the system that made millionaires rich in the first place. Its legal to subvert democracy. But its illegal to take revenge for something as totally barbaric and soul crushing as being the victim of rape. The law isn't justice, justice is justice.

In this new fuck the law system is looting okay as long as you only loot from rich people?

 

[Fluffythepoo]

This is going to end up being semantics, because what is legally justifiable isn't necessarily what is morally justifiable. It just ends up being an argument about what "justice" and "justified" means.

If my daughter was killed, I would consider it morally justifiable to kill the murderer, even if it would be against the law and not legally justifiable. I imagine that's what the other poster thinks, too.

What if the murderer was killing your daughter in revenge of your daughter having killed the murder's son?

 

[MHR]

Proper "justice" is only what the society as a majority deems is appropriate for the crime. Some countries they just cut off the thief's hand and be done with it. Barbaric? maybe, But I tell ya it sure cuts down on prison costs.

Some would say giving criminals free room, board, and 24-hour babysitting is the real crime.

 

[chadachada123]

I think it's pretty obvious that this guy didn't even see the movie. He clearly has no idea that a tazer was involved. Just point out that there WAS a tazer and that his argument doesn't hold water for this movie for that reason, and then let it go. Eesh. Alternately, just call him sexist and leave it at that. Don't combine the two: It makes you look bad, like responding to a kid asking about Santa with a slap to the face, comparatively-speaking.

But both would be true. He wouldn't know the situation well AND he'd be sexist because even if the situation was as he thought it might be, that's still a disgustingly sexist comment. And it's not responding to a kid asking about Santa, he's not at all innocent.

They were acting as if he knew that a tazer was involved. He was sexist, absolutely, but they were assuming that he knew about the tazer instead of just telling him about it.

My analogy sucked, but the point still stands that they were attaching to the tazor bit as if he knew about it instead of attacking his sexism or his ignorance of the tazor.

This is going to end up being semantics, because what is legally justifiable isn't necessarily what is morally justifiable. It just ends up being an argument about what "justice" and "justified" means.

If my daughter was killed, I would consider it morally justifiable to kill the murderer, even if it would be against the law and not legally justifiable. I imagine that's what the other poster thinks, too.

What if the murderer was killing your daughter in revenge of your daughter having killed the murder's son?

Then it wouldn't be morally justified (probably).

It's not all black-and-white, morality.

 

[Squilookle]

Why is rape okay as long as it happens to a "bad guy?" I simply don't buy that premise. It fucking hurts (I'd imagine), in addition to all of the other things that would happen to a person's psyche. You can't rape in self defense. She did it for her own masochistic pleasure. Next will we have a movie where the protagonist is a prison rapist, but it's "okay" because he only assaults convicted rapists? And the movie sees it as justified and we're supposed to be on that character's side?

You know, this pretty much sums up why I really don't like Dexter. Who cares how charismatic he is? He's a freakin' serial killer!