Not to mention the fact that laptops are far harder to upgrade, and the parts are more expensive, so it's hard to keep it up to date for very long.Scizophrenic Llama said:
Razer Unsheathes the Blade
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Except that comparison falls apart when you consider that most game PCs are still well over a grand. You also make the baseless assumption that I am somehow honor-bound to consoles or a brand loyalist. No. I'm merely pointing out that owning a console is easier on your income.ph0b0s123 said:
When my 360 broke, I sent it in and they not only replaced it for free but gave me 3 months of Gold membership. When my custom PC tower went kaput, I only found one manufacturer who would give me a refund... and that was for the power supply, which I suspect caused everything to fry in the first place.
I bought one of the Alienware laptops when I was younger and knew no better.
Nowadays I use the Asus g73. The Alienware lasted a little over a week, I left it on over night during the weekend and the gpu burned up.
Even if these laptops have decent components the price is merely for the logo on the front which bequeaths upon you the status of poseur, because gamers who've been doing it for awhile know that more reliable manufacturers also make laptops with equivalent benchmarks for half the price.
Companies like Alienware and Razer need to drop the act and start producing competitively priced machines.
Nowadays I use the Asus g73. The Alienware lasted a little over a week, I left it on over night during the weekend and the gpu burned up.
Even if these laptops have decent components the price is merely for the logo on the front which bequeaths upon you the status of poseur, because gamers who've been doing it for awhile know that more reliable manufacturers also make laptops with equivalent benchmarks for half the price.
Companies like Alienware and Razer need to drop the act and start producing competitively priced machines.
Way to miss the point Razer. After trying out a couple of your insanely high priced mice I'd decided to be more weary about your products, but when you made your little announcment I thought that you might actually be doing something that wasn't advertising your latest high priced peripheral. Whilst it's not a peripheral, I'm still very disappointed. Please see below.
No, you're right. The cry of "PC gaming is dying" doesn't stem from the hardware, which has never been cheaper or easier to assemble, but from the games. Rubbish console ports, poor optimisation and just a general disregard for the platform is the plea of the PC gamer. We don't want flashy, expensive laptops, we already have Alienware for that. Now you're just as bad as them, making an underpowered, overpriced piece of kit with the appeal that it's "extreme".UnderCoverGuest said:
I agree on this. Most games require a proper mouse and I prefer at least a 20 inch screen and a comfortable chair. If you're going to add a mouse to your laptop you should also have a mouse mat and have the best difference in height of your chair and the mouse and keyboard. Only place it suits me to sit then is at my desk where I have my desktop.Scizophrenic Llama said:
If I were traveling more I would love this however, but as it is I only visit my parents in summer and Christmas and my old gaming rig is at my mom's place so I am never long without my games.
>True PC gaming
>a laptop with zero upgrade options
Riiiiight. That's not really living up to the full potential of PC gaming.
Everything in the UK has a 20% price hike for VAT (equivalent of sales tax) and that's for consoles and even imports.
Though a cursory look does suggest things cost much more even after factoring for those.
$120 for Sapphire Radeon 5770 but £100 for the same in UK
Now even after removing tax (down to £83.33) the exchange rate takes it to $133 so about 10% more expensive than it should be. I wonder why? Not a huge difference.
>a laptop with zero upgrade options
Riiiiight. That's not really living up to the full potential of PC gaming.
Have you adjusted for both exchange rate AND taxation? I understand in the US sales tax is very low, separate and for most online goods is not applicable.AC10 said:
Everything in the UK has a 20% price hike for VAT (equivalent of sales tax) and that's for consoles and even imports.
Though a cursory look does suggest things cost much more even after factoring for those.
$120 for Sapphire Radeon 5770 but £100 for the same in UK
Now even after removing tax (down to £83.33) the exchange rate takes it to $133 so about 10% more expensive than it should be. I wonder why? Not a huge difference.
Dont understand why people say PC gaming is expensive...over 5 years i have bought 3 games Orange box starcraft 2 and WoW, in total i spent over 180 on gaming in those 5 years, on the other hand if i was a console user i would need to buy a game every 3 months to keep me playing on the console, you should look up how many freeware games there are, And piracy i dont support it but its a fact that piracy is still an option on PC making gaming very cheap and accessible
This Laptop is for the people that are happy buying apple products
This Laptop is for the people that are happy buying apple products
Laptops do nothing to 'prove' PC gaming is not dead. It just shows you haven't forgotten it exists.
TWENTY-EIGHT HUNDRED DOLLARS?!
*spits tea*
Hey, InuYasha! The Razer Blade is $2,800! Yes, that's American dollars! What's your reaction?
Couldn't agree more, old chap.
*spits tea*
Hey, InuYasha! The Razer Blade is $2,800! Yes, that's American dollars! What's your reaction?
Couldn't agree more, old chap.
Not true. I can say this particular gaming laptop is over priced and over hyped. At the same time as explaining that, even though I am not a fan, gaming laptops in general have a place, since they can do something consoles and desktops cannot.Skizle said:
And that is gaming on the go. And when I say on the go I mean places where there are no wall sockets. Also in the device properly portable and fits in a small case, which a console and all the gear you have to cart around to play on it, doesn't. So because of this is a unique feature you can not do a price comparison with consoles that cannot do this (as the post I responded to did).
What comparison falls apart? The comparison you made between how many consoles, etc you could buy for the price of a gaming laptop that has a unique feature consoles don't?hooksashands said:
I presume by "most game PCs are still well over a grand", you are talking about 'gaming PC's'. If so I need to point some things out. Comparing the price of a 'gaming PC' to the price of a consoles is as bogus as the console to gaming laptop comparison.
It confuses a 'gaming pc' with a PC capable of playing games at console quality. These are two different things. A PC capable of playing at console quality, at most 1280 x 720, with textures set to low and DX 9; does not cost that much more than a console and certainly not the grand you are talking about. Yes, a PC considered good enough for gaming by PC standards, a 'gaming pc', 1920 x 1080 res, with high res textures and DX 11, would cost a fair bit more, and it would show.
As I said don't use this stupidly priced laptop as a guide to what it costs to game on a PC. But yes, if you want to game for as cheap as possible, consoles are the way to go, no argument there.
Also where did I accuse you of being honour bound to consoles?
Lets compare it with the M17x shall we? since both are overpriced gamign laptops anyways:
Core: While Blade has a faster core, M17x has more processing power
Blade: I7 dual-core at 2.8 Ghz
M17x Econ: I7 Quad-core at 2.0 Ghz
M17x Max: I7 Quad-core at 2.3 Ghz
Memory: Depends on the version of Alienware you get.
Blade: 8 gig DDR3
M17x Econ: 4 Gig dual-channel DDR3
M17x Max: 16 gig dual-channel DDR3
Video Card: Went over it, Raqzer beats the econ, but fails against even the next runner up, let alone max
Display: Too similar to argue a difference
Hard Drive Space: Well, even the economy version has a terabyte of space, so about three times blade's.
Battery:
Alienware: High Capacity 9-cell Lithium Ion (90-WHr) (more likely to explode and spew fiery death)
Blade: Integrated 60Wh battery
Weight/thickness:
M17x: about 10 pounds, bulky
Blade: about 7 pounds, thinner
Price:
M17x Econ: About 1.5k
Blade: about 3k
M17x Max: about 3k
Well, this is going off of my limited knowledge of computers, but I'd say that the Blade barely surpasses the M17x Economy value, and has a much lower chance of finding a coupon to buy it with too. More or less the Economy one is half the price, but slightly less "high-tech" and lacks the little side-panel.
That being said, if you are getting a computer that is going to trump all computers, you aren't likely woried about pricing, and to be frank, the M17x with its better Specs has a slightly slower core, but twice the processing power and three times the memory, even if it's not at max, for about the same price... The only big difference is the blade's side panel.
Thus, I say, that Alienware wins and Razer can suck it.
Core: While Blade has a faster core, M17x has more processing power
Blade: I7 dual-core at 2.8 Ghz
M17x Econ: I7 Quad-core at 2.0 Ghz
M17x Max: I7 Quad-core at 2.3 Ghz
Memory: Depends on the version of Alienware you get.
Blade: 8 gig DDR3
M17x Econ: 4 Gig dual-channel DDR3
M17x Max: 16 gig dual-channel DDR3
Video Card: Went over it, Raqzer beats the econ, but fails against even the next runner up, let alone max
Display: Too similar to argue a difference
Hard Drive Space: Well, even the economy version has a terabyte of space, so about three times blade's.
Battery:
Alienware: High Capacity 9-cell Lithium Ion (90-WHr) (more likely to explode and spew fiery death)
Blade: Integrated 60Wh battery
Weight/thickness:
M17x: about 10 pounds, bulky
Blade: about 7 pounds, thinner
Price:
M17x Econ: About 1.5k
Blade: about 3k
M17x Max: about 3k
Well, this is going off of my limited knowledge of computers, but I'd say that the Blade barely surpasses the M17x Economy value, and has a much lower chance of finding a coupon to buy it with too. More or less the Economy one is half the price, but slightly less "high-tech" and lacks the little side-panel.
That being said, if you are getting a computer that is going to trump all computers, you aren't likely woried about pricing, and to be frank, the M17x with its better Specs has a slightly slower core, but twice the processing power and three times the memory, even if it's not at max, for about the same price... The only big difference is the blade's side panel.
Thus, I say, that Alienware wins and Razer can suck it.
or you go to other laptop brands and pick one of their many fine and powerful gaming laptops, for half the price.Kakashi on crack said:
not much difference from 400 series to the 500 series really...now if you jump from ATIs 5000 to its 6000...different story.
also, dont judge pc gaming on this laptop people, and specially dont judge gaming laptops. i bought a ASUS g73 a year ago, for 1200 dollars, and they offered me a backpack and a mouse with it.i can go anywhere i want, take out the laptop and the mouse out of my backpack and play games. and for controller retards who cant fuckin use a keyboard n mouse to play, i got 2 words for you...Logitech Chillstream.
Sounds like the rig I'm building. Good choice.Scizophrenic Llama said:
OP: Nice Razer, but stick to making keyboards and mice and leave ASUS ROG to the high-end gaming laptops.
When you think of it, you get more bang-for-your-buck with a run of the mill PC than you get with a consol since, you know, the PC gets advanced apps that could never work on a console, access to online flash games for free, the ability to mod games, etc.ph0b0s123 said:
Not trying to be a PC elitest here, but I see consoles as being the cheap-but-effective enough side of technology, with PCs being the more expensive with more features side of tech. Arguing specs will get you no where with consoles since a console is limited to just that machine and future versions released by the company while you can customize a PC until it's a YT-2300 freighter with advanced ion cannons
I really don't know on that one. Consoles have games that are programmed for their exact hardware and are optimised heavily, whereas PC's seem to be getting more ports, so the optimisation is not done as well. So it may well be that consoles actually are more bang per dollar spent on them.Kakashi on crack said:When you think of it, you get more bang-for-your-buck with a run of the mill PC than you get with a consol since, you know, the PC gets advanced apps that could never work on a console, access to online flash games for free, the ability to mod games, etc.ph0b0s123 said:
Not trying to be a PC elitest here, but I see consoles as being the cheap-but-effective enough side of technology, with PCs being the more expensive with more features side of tech. Arguing specs will get you no where with consoles since a console is limited to just that machine and future versions released by the company while you can customize a PC until it's a YT-2300 freighter with advanced ion cannons
The PC getting stuff that won't work on a console is, I believe starting to get rarer. They have titles that are unique but due to low interest from the console market or can't be done on a controller. I can't think of many recent titles that required performance that consoles are not capable of, as happened when Farcry and Crysis were first released.
I have always seen the PC and console dynamic as being very analogous normal road car, super car dynamic. Normal road cars are like consoles, pretty ubiquitous and get you from a to b cheaply and without trouble. Sports cars like Ferraris and Lamborghini's are like PC's and are niche vehicles and cost a lot more. Normal cars like consoles things you get when you are on a budget and just want something that is good enough to do the job. Super cars are what you get to guarantee having the best performance.
I not going to say that sport cars are 'best', as 'best' is subjective and depends on your criteria, like their fuel economy is not great.
Sports cars are limited in that they are hamstrung from showing off their better performance due to having to stick to the same speed limit as normal cars.Also technical advances made in the sports car market are used to make normal cars better.
The difference is that even though sports cars are a niche market, manufacturers keep building them and pushing the envelope, supporting them. The same is not true for PC's. Also obviously PC's are not as sexy as sports cars, not gona try and argue that one for a second.
"while you can customize a PC until it's a YT-2300 freighter with advanced ion cannons"
Not really a PC anymore, but a space ship with a PC in it, just saying....
Ill admit it's a really cool design and structure, but that pricetag is just an immense turnoff, and only the US can get it (according to their site last night).
If I had that money I might consider it because if the design structure and what not, but for now my Desktop Rig still pumps out more for less.
If I had that money I might consider it because if the design structure and what not, but for now my Desktop Rig still pumps out more for less.