Hadn't considered the Bioware parallels at all, but they totally work! Good show Bob, good show.
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It's funny cause you're mad about Bob not doing the same thing he always does every week and that's exactly the point he's made here about Cabin.Ticonderoga117 said:
I thought you were done talking about the ME scandle...
Oh well. I do agree with the point of feeling sympathetic for the people at the facility. Maybe not because of the same reasons you expressed though. Mine was more due to the fact they were simply doing as they had to in order for things not to go kaboom. While they did some things which seemed cold (I'm looking at the party while the action went on at the lakeside), it seemed more like they were simply trying to distract themselves from the awful things they were doing. This was emphasised even more when the 'dumb blond' character was killed. They obviously took no enjoyment from it, and it was obvious watching it happen wasn't something they WANTED to do. So they try to take their minds off the fact their altering these people at their most basic level and then helping them get slaughtered by, say, gambling.
Then again, I wouldn't wish the kinds of things that happened to them at the end on my worst enemy.
Oh well. I do agree with the point of feeling sympathetic for the people at the facility. Maybe not because of the same reasons you expressed though. Mine was more due to the fact they were simply doing as they had to in order for things not to go kaboom. While they did some things which seemed cold (I'm looking at the party while the action went on at the lakeside), it seemed more like they were simply trying to distract themselves from the awful things they were doing. This was emphasised even more when the 'dumb blond' character was killed. They obviously took no enjoyment from it, and it was obvious watching it happen wasn't something they WANTED to do. So they try to take their minds off the fact their altering these people at their most basic level and then helping them get slaughtered by, say, gambling.
Then again, I wouldn't wish the kinds of things that happened to them at the end on my worst enemy.
No, he is just kicking a dead horse for I can't even imagine what sane reason. ME3 threads have died down and everyone seems to have long since said their piece and decided on their position. But no, naturally lets taint an otherwise good article with a pointless jab at something that has been old news for awhile now. Either he writes these way in advance (which, well, isn't possible given the subject matter barring special screening) or he is purposefully pulling this in an attempt to up his views, which is pathetic.Rassmusseum said:
One might think he's missing the point intentionally because he can't refute the actual point of the Retake movement, and he doesn't want to admit he was talking out of his ass.gmaverick019 said:
He's too smug and self-important to admit when he's made a mistake.
So, basic consistency is now an "exacting specification"? Literally, if Bioware just gave Mass Effect 3 an ending that made sense, rather than contradicting itself at every turn, I would buy their game, despite it being Origin exclusive. You've made some pretty entertaining stuff, but sometimes, you really need to actually listen, rather than just making assumptions about a wide swath of people and then writing an article about the caricatures.
I won't threaten to stop reading your stuff or anything, since you do still write things worth reading, but jumping to conclusions is a really bad habit for someone working in journalism, and you should really try to start checking yourself on it.
I won't threaten to stop reading your stuff or anything, since you do still write things worth reading, but jumping to conclusions is a really bad habit for someone working in journalism, and you should really try to start checking yourself on it.
Right, because the first thing I see in internet comments is compalining about all the innovation films and games are taking and how we just want the same old same old. Sorry Bob, the more you go on this pity trip, the more I'm on re-take's side.
It's not that I don't sympathize with the arguement: we rip Battlestar Galactica and Heroes to shreds and then wonder why American Idol is on 3 nights a week and Dancing with the stars the others, and we do need to be more tollerant to things that differ from our ideal dreams and stick through slower periods. On the other hand, innovation only works and sticks if it still pleases the audience, so there's equal (if not more) blame in that the creator didn't sell the new idea right, assuming the idea wasn't poor in the first place. Cabin in the Woods sounds like little more than a cheap shot from someone that would rather stick failures on static fans than their own ability to sell a new idea. (note, I think that was the problem with ME3's ending, it didn't sell itself well.)
I get the frustration an artist must fell. I doubt The Avengers is Whedon's dream project, nor is it any of the actors' (well, maybe Sam Jackson) but they still have to smile for the PR. Still, that's life. We all have to appeal to those that pay our bills, and for the creative, that is the consumer. I get that isn't the dream for anyone that gets into the creative field, but can you even make a case those of us that ultimately pay the bills should just let you run free of our wishes and opinions?
PS: congratulations. I think this will be the first written collum to generate more traffic than the video.
It's not that I don't sympathize with the arguement: we rip Battlestar Galactica and Heroes to shreds and then wonder why American Idol is on 3 nights a week and Dancing with the stars the others, and we do need to be more tollerant to things that differ from our ideal dreams and stick through slower periods. On the other hand, innovation only works and sticks if it still pleases the audience, so there's equal (if not more) blame in that the creator didn't sell the new idea right, assuming the idea wasn't poor in the first place. Cabin in the Woods sounds like little more than a cheap shot from someone that would rather stick failures on static fans than their own ability to sell a new idea. (note, I think that was the problem with ME3's ending, it didn't sell itself well.)
I get the frustration an artist must fell. I doubt The Avengers is Whedon's dream project, nor is it any of the actors' (well, maybe Sam Jackson) but they still have to smile for the PR. Still, that's life. We all have to appeal to those that pay our bills, and for the creative, that is the consumer. I get that isn't the dream for anyone that gets into the creative field, but can you even make a case those of us that ultimately pay the bills should just let you run free of our wishes and opinions?
PS: congratulations. I think this will be the first written collum to generate more traffic than the video.
i also think that's EA's and biowares problem. they refuse to acknowledge that it is a broken ending. if they just admitted to it, it'd go a long way i think to bridging a connection between developer/customer in either fixing the game, or coming to an understanding.Pandabearparade said:
partially why i was okay with kotor 2's ending was because obsidian outright admitted it to being broken, and all the files were left on the disk to be fixed eventually (with modders help of course. it was still not a complete ending, but it was fixed enough to be enjoyable.)
Bioware is a business, and the Retake movement represents a large portion of their customers. It is -absolutely- the right of the customer to demand quality in a product, vitriol or not (though the organizers of the Retake movement have been very polite and cordial).animehermit said:
Of course the product is Bioware's property, no one is contesting that. What is contested here is whether or not the players should quietly just deal with a broken end, or ask for better. Why is asking for the broken ending to be fixed wrong?
You have to realize it's bobs job to get views. Views equal add revenue. So in this case he's taking the easy way out. Instead of making something that people want to read/watch he's just being controversial.Scrumpmonkey said:
while that is true, i don't consider being honest bad form, hell it's quite admirable when a company can admit to it. It's like a little kid not admitting he stole from the cookie jar, you just dig yourself in a deeper and deeper hole that it becomes harder to trust you with that cookie jar around (a.k.a. my wallet full of money)animehermit said:
If I'm given the perfect 3-course meal, but the dessert is a literal pile of shit, I'm not going to eat the shit and be happy with the amazing meal I just ate. I'm going to complain about the shit. I'm going to make a fuss. I'm going to demand my money back, and then never eat at that restaurant again. But no, I'm being entitled and should just shut up and eat it, right?Walter Byers said:
I'm kind of indifferent to Bob (watch/read his stuff, but always take it with a grain of salt), so I'm not saying this just to defend him.Fox242 said:
I saw this with four other people. Two of them got it, two of them hated the film because they didn't understand it. So yes, there were people out there that let "Cabin" fly over their heads, and its so unfortunate.
I do feel the need to point out, to those that are disheartened at people complaining about Cabin going a bit snooker loopy near the end, that the complainers are probably a minority, given its current rating on imdb of 8.2. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1259521/ (of course, there's always the argument that it's merely popular with internet denizens, but I'll leave that debate up to you, reader)
Anyway, nice look at the film, I didn't really pay much attention to subtext, I was too caught up in the whole, 'oh my god, this film is amazing, and not only that, it's actually something different and fresh in this often bland industry, hell yes'. I do like the theory that the film was essentially 2 hours of Joss Whedon sticking his middle finger up at the audience.
P.S. Also, I know you like to complain about the whole Retake Mass Effect Malarky, Bob, but including that jibe in this article has essentially derailed your own discussion.
Anyway, nice look at the film, I didn't really pay much attention to subtext, I was too caught up in the whole, 'oh my god, this film is amazing, and not only that, it's actually something different and fresh in this often bland industry, hell yes'. I do like the theory that the film was essentially 2 hours of Joss Whedon sticking his middle finger up at the audience.
P.S. Also, I know you like to complain about the whole Retake Mass Effect Malarky, Bob, but including that jibe in this article has essentially derailed your own discussion.
That is the best metaphor for Retake that I've seen. It's a damn sad state of affairs that we're fed shit for desert so often and that demanding a fitting desert after such a satisfying meal is now 'entitlement.' Demanding consistency and artistic integrity (like being able to justify the ending) is not too much to ask.wintercoat said:
[small]Though, seriously, the FTC suit is a bit much...[/small]