I guess Christians are lucky there wasn't DRM back then, otherwise they'd really have put Biblical interpretation behind a paywall.
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Are you kidding? There was the ultimate DRM back then, it was called literacy and very few people had it.
Not to mention, literacy in Latin in a country where it wasn't the everyday language anymore.
Ezekiel 23:20 baby!
It amuses me that worrying about your women running off with some foreign guy with a bigger dick was included in the holy texts.
It amuses me that worrying about your women running off with some foreign guy with a bigger dick was included in the holy texts.
The following verses sure are obsessed about boobs being virgin.
My bible experience is that I read a few stories where women having periods was presented as impure, so I was wondering if the Virgin Mary still had periods or if she was exempted from that. Unfortunately I wondered aloud during religion class and the teacher got all pissy. Berated me in front of class, asking why I was thinking about these things, and of course, never actually answered my question.
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I really think that if woman weren't needed for procreation Judeo-Christian religions would have wiped them out. They really seem not to like them.
So...tit jobs do count! Better let the kids know ASAP!
Fortunately our RE classes were basically just a sit down and natter about society, morality, philosophy, religion, Hinduism, Buddhism, cults etc. Last year I had to do RE the Waco siege happened so we spent the rest of the year talking about that. I only read the Bible out of curiosity in my 20s.
Here's another interesting story. After a weird scene where Jacob tricks his father, Isaac, into giving him his blessing instead of his brother (I guess he only has one? I don't really get it) his parents tell him to go back and take a wife from Abraham's family back wherever he was born. So he goes there and falls in love with his cousin Rachel, and works for her father for 7 years in order to marry her. After the time has passed they have a big party, and I'll quote this next section:
"But it turned out that during the evening he [La'ban, Rachel's father] resorted to taking Le'ah his daughter and bringing her to him that he might have relations with her. Moreover, La'ban gave to her Zil'pah his maidservant, even to Le'ah his daughter, as a maidservant. So it followed in the morning that here it was Le'ah! Consequently he said to La'ban: 'What is this you have done to me? Was it not for Rachel that I served with you? So why have you tricked me?' "
So apparently Jacob was tricked into having sex with the wrong woman, somehow. It's so strange, how does that even happen? Apparently La'ban did this because he Le'ah is older and he feels it's not right for them to marry out of order. So now Jacob needs to work another 7 years in order to marry Rachel, for real this time.
"But it turned out that during the evening he [La'ban, Rachel's father] resorted to taking Le'ah his daughter and bringing her to him that he might have relations with her. Moreover, La'ban gave to her Zil'pah his maidservant, even to Le'ah his daughter, as a maidservant. So it followed in the morning that here it was Le'ah! Consequently he said to La'ban: 'What is this you have done to me? Was it not for Rachel that I served with you? So why have you tricked me?' "
So apparently Jacob was tricked into having sex with the wrong woman, somehow. It's so strange, how does that even happen? Apparently La'ban did this because he Le'ah is older and he feels it's not right for them to marry out of order. So now Jacob needs to work another 7 years in order to marry Rachel, for real this time.
I just got to this part, I'll just quote the whole thing because I don't really understand what's going on, I think God loses:
'Finally Jacob was left by himself. Then a man began to grapple with him until the dawn ascended. When he got to see that he had not prevailed over him, then he touched the socket of his thigh joint; and the socket of Jacob's thigh joint got out of place during his grappling with him. After that he said: "Let me go, for the dawn has ascended." To this he said: "I am not going to let you go until you first bless me." So he said to him: "What is your name?" to which he said: "Jacob." Then he said: "Your name will no longer be called Jacob but Israel, for you have contended with God and with men so that you at last prvailed." In turn Jacob inquired and said: "Tell me, please, your name." However, he said: "Why is it that you inquire for my name?" With that he blessed him there. Hence Jacob called the name of the place Peni'el, because, to quote him, "I have seen God face to face and yet my soul was delivered." '
And that is why, to this day, the sons of Israel are not accustomed to eat the sinew of the thigh nerve.
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I wonder how long it will be before God begins showing an interest in morality. I'm 2/3 of the way through Genesis and it seems like the main thing is you are either part of God's chosen people, and can do no wrong, or you aren't.
In the last story, this one guy's son, She'chem, raped(maybe?) Jacob's daughter, then fell in love with her and wanted to marry her. Jacob's son's were upset that their sister was defiled, and lied to the guy, telling them that if all of his people were circumcised he could marry their sister and would form marriage alliances with them. Then 3 days after the men were circumcised and were in a lot of pain, two of Jacob's sons massacred all the men in the town, pillaged the place, and captured all the women and children. Then God prevented any of the neighbouring towns from taking revenge. Apparently mass murder wasn't a sin in those days.
Also this is just sort of mentioned "And it came about while Israel [Jacob] was tabernacling in that land that once Reu'ben[Jacob's firstborn] went and lay down with Bil'-hah his father's concubine, and Israel got to hear of it."
And it's just left there like that without comment. Interesting. Pretty sure she's old enough to be his mother.
In the last story, this one guy's son, She'chem, raped(maybe?) Jacob's daughter, then fell in love with her and wanted to marry her. Jacob's son's were upset that their sister was defiled, and lied to the guy, telling them that if all of his people were circumcised he could marry their sister and would form marriage alliances with them. Then 3 days after the men were circumcised and were in a lot of pain, two of Jacob's sons massacred all the men in the town, pillaged the place, and captured all the women and children. Then God prevented any of the neighbouring towns from taking revenge. Apparently mass murder wasn't a sin in those days.
Also this is just sort of mentioned "And it came about while Israel [Jacob] was tabernacling in that land that once Reu'ben[Jacob's firstborn] went and lay down with Bil'-hah his father's concubine, and Israel got to hear of it."
And it's just left there like that without comment. Interesting. Pretty sure she's old enough to be his mother.
"In time Juday took a wife for Er his firstborn, and her name was Ta'mar. But Er, Judah's firstborn, proved to be bad in the eyes of Jehovah; hence Jehovah put him to death"
I wonder what he did that made God so angry? We've seen a lot of these people do some pretty awful things.
"In view of that Judah said to O'nan: 'Have relations with your brother's wife and perform brother-in-law marriage with her and raise up offspring for your brother.' But O'nan knew that the offspring would not become his; and it ocurred that when he did have relations with his brother's wife he wasted his semen on the earth so as not to give offspring to his brother. Now what he did was bad in the eyes of Jehovah; hence he put him also to death."
I'm not really following how O'nan having sex with Er's (who is dead) wife will produce children for Er. I just, what? Also, if you pull out GOD WILL KILL YOU!
"When Judah caught sight of her, he at once took her for a harlot, because she had covered her face. So he turned aside to her by the road and said: 'Allow me, please, to have relations with you.' For he did not know that she was his daughter-in-law."
Neither of them are put to death by Jehova so I guess God is fine with prostitution. The bible is really weird.
I wonder what he did that made God so angry? We've seen a lot of these people do some pretty awful things.
"In view of that Judah said to O'nan: 'Have relations with your brother's wife and perform brother-in-law marriage with her and raise up offspring for your brother.' But O'nan knew that the offspring would not become his; and it ocurred that when he did have relations with his brother's wife he wasted his semen on the earth so as not to give offspring to his brother. Now what he did was bad in the eyes of Jehovah; hence he put him also to death."
I'm not really following how O'nan having sex with Er's (who is dead) wife will produce children for Er. I just, what? Also, if you pull out GOD WILL KILL YOU!
"When Judah caught sight of her, he at once took her for a harlot, because she had covered her face. So he turned aside to her by the road and said: 'Allow me, please, to have relations with you.' For he did not know that she was his daughter-in-law."
Neither of them are put to death by Jehova so I guess God is fine with prostitution. The bible is really weird.
Been doing 1-year bible reading challenge with some of the folks at church. Started on first week of January, and now we are in the middle the book of Numbers.
And dear god, the amount of tmes Isralites complain, whine, disobey god, and flat out denouce God infuriates me.
What they were complaining about, totally understandable; I mean they are out in the middle of a desert, and of course they need food and water. And of course, if someone tells you the enemies are huge and looks strong, you'll be terrified.
But by this point, all of them have seen how powerful God is. And he will always provide if they ask him in humbleness. Also, they already had experience in battle, and won.
While the first generation of Isralites not being able to enter the promised land, and being stuck in the desert for 40 years was kinda deserved, God still allowed their next generation to get in, therefore still fufilling his promise.
Multiple lessons to be learned here, at least for me:
And dear god, the amount of tmes Isralites complain, whine, disobey god, and flat out denouce God infuriates me.
What they were complaining about, totally understandable; I mean they are out in the middle of a desert, and of course they need food and water. And of course, if someone tells you the enemies are huge and looks strong, you'll be terrified.
But by this point, all of them have seen how powerful God is. And he will always provide if they ask him in humbleness. Also, they already had experience in battle, and won.
While the first generation of Isralites not being able to enter the promised land, and being stuck in the desert for 40 years was kinda deserved, God still allowed their next generation to get in, therefore still fufilling his promise.
Multiple lessons to be learned here, at least for me:
- The reason why the Isralites frustrates me is that they are a reflection of myself;
- It's okay to feel distraught and hurt by whatever struggles you are going through
- You can either keep complain and be bitter about it, or you can pray to God for comfort and answers
- God always fufills his plans, and it can be something that we haven't thought of
- Moses had an ISANE level of patience and stress-mamagement; I would've caved in way sooner
"All the souls who came to Jacob into Egypt were those who issued out of his upper thigh, aside from the wives of Jacob's sons."
The bible endorses taking advantage of crisis to charge people extortion prices for food. God tells Joseph that there will be a 7 year famine, so he stockpiles a ton of food, then when the famine starts he sells the food for all the money, livestock, and land in Egypt.
The bible endorses taking advantage of crisis to charge people extortion prices for food. God tells Joseph that there will be a 7 year famine, so he stockpiles a ton of food, then when the famine starts he sells the food for all the money, livestock, and land in Egypt.
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