'Real' Space marines

[SwampCandle]

I'd like to see a 40k game take on like a Star War battlefront type of game.

Actually, thats not a bad idea, infact thats a great idea! send that into Games Workshop boy!

But, back on topic, the problem with saying that Chief & Fenix are marines is ridiculous because they aren't. The only resemblance they have to "true" space marines is the armour they wear, other than that, they rely on gimmick stuff to make them cool (No one would have played GoW if the chainsaw-gun wasn't in it, well they wouldn't have cared as much about it)

 

[Emperor Inferno]

I don't care if the Space Marine is overdone. I'll always have this feeling of awe when thinking of Spartans. They are warrior-gods in green and gold armor. Spartans = the best space marines in all of gaming.

Please don't attack me, it's just an opinion.

EDIT: hmmm, from reading a few posts, maybe I misunderstood the OP. I'm not an idiot, I just woke up. Someone help my sluggish brain understand what we're talking about.

 

[Killerbunny001]

I see space marines in games (FPS mostly) as an excuse to place the player in the flesh of solid awesomeness. If they told you you were the cook of the ship they couldn`t sell you the fact that you are the only one able to kill the acid spiting, fire breathing aliens from hell.

The only problem is that the space marine or the "space dude in nanomagicnuclearobsidian armour" excuse is getting old. Can we just once get under the skin of a space robotic octopus ?

 

[Emperor Inferno]

I think I grasp the topic now. Spartans would certainly fit the bill as gaming space marines if they weren't part of the navy as shatnershamn pointed out. And I understand why people seem to hate them. They are a good idea, as Killerbunny pointed out it's certainly a good way of selling being this super-badass, but they have been overdone. I agree, let's see something fresh, people.

 

[Elurindel]

That's not a unique character type at all, look at the Enclave from Fallout 3. They are soldiers that wear power armour and serve the President fanatically, they see Wastelanders as unpure humans along with mutants and feel they must eradicate them, can you see the similarity?

How relgious are they? Because one of the main points of the 40K Space Marines is that they're an army of warrior-monks who slaughter their foes whilst chanting prayers of purification. The other main thing that makes the different is that the're genetically and chemically enhanced to super-human levels. A further thing that marks them out from the Enclave is that they're "the good guys".

Actually, most SPace Marines aren't religious at all. Most view The Emperor as he is: An anicent and revered ancestor, the founder of them all. Very few of them actually worship him because they know he isn't a god.

 

[ward.]

I'm just wondering if I'm the only one who doesn't see a difference between the 40k marine and the Starcraft Terrian marine?

One's a human that works for a government/ corporation like entity the others a bad ass warrior monk with 11-17 extra organs that would tear a zergs head off with his bare hands while saying a prayer to the emperor.

Actually they used to pretty close, but that has more to do with terrians being based on the older version of a space marine.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

When ever I think of a "Space-Marine" I always get images of either the Warhammer 40k type marines or the bog-standard Terran Infantry unit from Starcraft with it being just a guy welded into big damn suit of powered, metal armour and given a gun and a target and being fairly expendable...

 

[Elurindel]

What I find laughable are the Halo fanboys who seem to be under the impression that any given Spartan is superior to a 40k Space Marine. Space Marines invented war and awesome. And they literally are "Space Marines" in the literal sense, too, as their preferred method is to assault from space, be it in gunships or by drop pods. When the sky starts falling, you'd better hope you're on their side.

 

[Iron_will]

What I find laughable are the Halo fanboys who seem to be under the impression that any given Spartan is superior to a 40k Space Marine. Space Marines invented war and awesome. And they literally are "Space Marines" in the literal sense, too, as their preferred method is to assault from space, be it in gunships or by drop pods. When the sky starts falling, you'd better hope you're on their side.

Me too. I think that they can't even compare to the Space Marines, I mean, seriously.

 

[Elurindel]

Quite. Master Chief can't learn your memories by eating your flesh, nor can he spit acid, breathe water or eat poison. He doesn't have a fused-together ribcage that can shrug off small arms fire, membranes which slide over his eyes to protect them from poison or to see clearly in water. Nor does he have a bolter, the most manly weapon ever. The assault rifle just doesn't compare to a machine gun tat fires self-propelled, armour-piercing rocket shells.

 

[Saskwach]

That's not a unique character type at all, look at the Enclave from Fallout 3. They are soldiers that wear power armour and serve the President fanatically, they see Wastelanders as unpure humans along with mutants and feel they must eradicate them, can you see the similarity?

One example is nowhere near enough to undermine my point. If you can only think of one example then it's hardly an overdone concept.

Re: Enclave. Are they a Fallout 3 invention? If so, then SMs came first. In fact, even if they were from the first Fallout, I'm still pretty sure that SMs came first.

 

[Elurindel]

That's not a unique character type at all, look at the Enclave from Fallout 3. They are soldiers that wear power armour and serve the President fanatically, they see Wastelanders as unpure humans along with mutants and feel they must eradicate them, can you see the similarity?

One example is nowhere near enough to undermine my point. If you can only think of one example then it's hardly an overdone concept.

Re: Enclave. Are they a Fallout 3 invention? If so, then SMs came first. In fact, even if they were from the first Fallout, I'm still pretty sure that SMs came first.

The Enclave came in Fallout 2,but before that, you had the Brotherhood of Steel, who still wore power armour. However, 40k Space Marines have been around for about twenty years.

 

[neoman10]

I always thought "space marine" was a fairly stupid term to begin with. A marine is someone who specializes in both land and sea combat, or as their original mandate states "Providing force projection from the sea". You can't really specialize in land/sea combat while delivering your forces from the sea in space.

yes but the air force being lords of space at the moment, space airmen sounds way less compelling

 

[Singularly Datarific]

Master Chief is middle aged not 20 and he is not a marine. He is actually part of the Navy.

Middle aged...
That makes it so much more fun to play as...

 

[letsnoobtehpwns]

I wander if in the future, when there's real space marines, they'll be hated like the horrible protagonists they are today.

 

[theklng]

So it's not 'Space Marines' that have become sterotypical and stale, it's the idea of Marines in space that has.

Just a thought.

i partially agree. i blame this on terminology; why would you call them space marines if you did not imply marines somehow? it is the concept of space marines that has been worn out, but there could be other, different concepts of military forces in space.

i am thinking realistically however, so i can't see any human take a nuke to the gut and surviving. good thing that in space, you're not limited to humans only.

 

[Alex_P]

Master Chief is middle aged not 20 and he is not a marine. He is actually part of the Navy.

Marines were originally part of the Navy -- soldiers who participated in boarding actions.

The US Marine Corp Commandant still reports to the Secretary of the Navy.

"Space marine" is a trope that doesn't actually require the character to literally be an official "marine" anyway.

-- Alex

 

[TsunamiWombat]

What I find laughable are the Halo fanboys who seem to be under the impression that any given Spartan is superior to a 40k Space Marine. Space Marines invented war and awesome. And they literally are "Space Marines" in the literal sense, too, as their preferred method is to assault from space, be it in gunships or by drop pods. When the sky starts falling, you'd better hope you're on their side.

To be fair, Master Chief is biologicall enhanced and possesses a highly advanced suit of powered armor with shield. His strength might be comperable to a space marine but his survivability and durability are not, nor his experiance (space marines have tactics and strategy brainwashed into them constantly, and live for hundreds of years), and don't even get me started on bolters.

 

[Alex_P]

I've noticed that the 'space marine' that's earned ire and hatred from the general gaming public tends to be a 20-something year old, mixed ethnicity member of the United States Marines Corps who's been rocketed out into space (courtousey of Halo, Quake 4, Gears of War, Aliens and many, many more). So it's not 'Space Marines' that have become sterotypical and stale, it's the idea of Marines in space that has.

I dunno. I'm pretty sick of the grimdark, too.

-- Alex

 

[Simriel]

Come to think of it, there aren't too many space marines in games at all

You haven't played Firewarrior have you? can't move for Space Marines the further you get.
(Seriously, the number of marines you'll end up killing totals to 2 bloody chapters of space marines!)

You forget. Firewarrior was a bad game. Especially from a fluff point of view.