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I read this comic by using my eyes.

It had words and pictures in it, some of the pictures represented people.
 

Amir Kondori

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Krantos said:
Mel Brooks once said: ([a href="http://dailytrojan.com/2009/10/20/entertainer-mel-brooks-discusses-his-blazing-career/"]Here[/a])

"You have to love {what} you parody."

That, I think is the major failing of Critical Miss, and why their "Parody" comics draw so much heat. There doesn't seem to be much Love from Grey and Carter. Most of their topical comics come across more as mean spirited and derisive. I'd say it's more [a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/satire"]Satire[/a].

You will never make friends with Satire. It is, by definition ridicule.

If all you're looking for is page views and traffic, I'd say your technique is perfect. Inflammatory statements usually are for that.

However, if you're trying to promote honest discussion and progress... I don't think Ridicule and derision ever lead to anything constructive happening. At least not on the internet.
I really don't think they are super concerned with promoting "honest discussion and progress". I think they are primarily concerned with putting out a popular comic.
 

kenu12345

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Lord Krunk said:
Silent Protagonist said:
I like to pretend this comic is a call for people to be more level-headed and reasonable when discussing issues, especially in the relatively trivial sphere of gaming. I know it's really a passive aggressive and snarky response to all the people who dared to be insulted and upset by their previous comic and the massive flaming thread that resulted from it, but I like to pretend it could be something more.

Part of what was frustrating about the "White Guy Defense force" comic is that such aggressive, dismissive, and insulting caricatures of different viewpoints or opinions like the ones found in that comic are already far too common in these discussions. They are a major part of why so many discussions devolve into pointless flame wars like the thread on last weeks comic. We need far more encouragement of the attitude of mutual respect that can bring forth actual discussion and growth found and subsequently mocked in this weeks comic.

This comic would have been brilliant if it wasn't for the subtext of "Oh well, people got insulted so I guess we won't try to do anything funny ever again." It's a shame.
Agreed. I just rolled my eyes at the last comic and moved on without responding, because I knew they were just trolling for views. This comic would have been clever if the last one was funny, and not agonizing for anyone other than manginas to read.

Grey, if you are reading this, enough webcomic artists have turned the medium into a joke by pulling this crap. I know you're better than this. The viewership might be down, but please have some integrity. Please don't jump the shark, if you haven't already.

(inb4 the next comic mocking that last statement)

That's all I really have to say.
Well I believe the last comic was pretty good but eh. Hit or miss. If you took the wrong thing from it you took the wrong thing from it nothing more to say about it
 

AkaDad

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As someone who's been producing and manufacturing strawmen for years, I'm totally offended.
 

Lord Krunk

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Amir Kondori said:
Krantos said:
Mel Brooks once said: ([a href="http://dailytrojan.com/2009/10/20/entertainer-mel-brooks-discusses-his-blazing-career/"]Here[/a])

"You have to love {what} you parody."

That, I think is the major failing of Critical Miss, and why their "Parody" comics draw so much heat. There doesn't seem to be much Love from Grey and Carter. Most of their topical comics come across more as mean spirited and derisive. I'd say it's more [a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/satire"]Satire[/a].

You will never make friends with Satire. It is, by definition ridicule.

If all you're looking for is page views and traffic, I'd say your technique is perfect. Inflammatory statements usually are for that.

However, if you're trying to promote honest discussion and progress... I don't think Ridicule and derision ever lead to anything constructive happening. At least not on the internet.
I really don't think they are super concerned with promoting "honest discussion and progress". I think they are primarily concerned with putting out a popular comic.
The point is that the best referential humour (in this case, satire and parody) are borne from affection. Humour borne from anything else, in the rare event that it is funny, will date quickly. In this case, the humour was borne from intentional controversy (better known as 'trolling') and a desire to draw out a jab at an easy target. Example: I don't think you're going to see any 'blackface' pantomimes any time in the near future, when a century or two ago they were all the rage. This comic is running on the same brand of humour, but directing it at one of our generation's easy targets instead.

Mel Brooks made two movies about a Nazi musical, while being Jewish - as tongue in cheek as it was, it never pointed any fingers and came out all the stronger for it. That's what his quote meant.

Hope that clears things up.
 

Alex Diniz

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Hello there, part of the people who "by inaction let a vocal minority speak in my name" here.

I don't "let" anyone speak in my name, because it implies I can stop people from around the world from saying stupid crap. I can't, you can't, no-one can. The best way to deal with them is to ignore their comments, just let it go, stop giving them attention, it might sound crazy but it's not a issue worth stressing over.

People who play videogames already are a very small portion of the world'd population, those who can even be arsed to read gaming websites even smaller, and those who comment are smaller even and inside this tiny, insignificant group of people there's an even smaller group who'll say stupid shit. And you're giving those people the spotlight on your webcomic and your news site.
 

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shephardjhon said:
You know you don't actually have to be mean and offensive to do comedy. Look at XKCD, they have been in business a lot longer than you and are still good and not offensive as far as I know.
XKCD is highly offensive.
 

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dubious_wolf said:
shephardjhon said:
You know you don't actually have to be mean and offensive to do comedy. Look at XKCD, they have been in business a lot longer than you and are still good and not offensive as far as I know.
XKCD is highly offensive.
I find your statement about XKCD being offensive to be offensive.

 

RJ Dalton

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Oh, come on. You know strawmen will always have jobs as long as CNN and Fox News exist.
 

Shingro

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Only two far extremes yup.
There's no way to exist otherwise.
If you're not in for as extreme as it gets this is the only possible other way it can go.
If you're against these laws you hate america.

...

Zzzzzzz...
 

dubious_wolf

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anthony87 said:
dubious_wolf said:
shephardjhon said:
You know you don't actually have to be mean and offensive to do comedy. Look at XKCD, they have been in business a lot longer than you and are still good and not offensive as far as I know.
XKCD is highly offensive.
I find your statement about XKCD being offensive to be offensive.

HA! loved it!
 
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Krantos said:
There doesn't seem to be much Love from Grey and Carter.
You mean Grey and Cory, right? Or was that just hyperbole trying to say Grey has enough bitterness for two people?

Silent Protagonist said:
I like to pretend this comic is a call for people to be more level-headed and reasonable when discussing issues, especially in the relatively trivial sphere of gaming. I know it's really a passive aggressive and snarky response to all the people who dared to be insulted and upset by their previous comic and the massive flaming thread that resulted from it, but I like to pretend it could be something more.

Part of what was frustrating about the "White Guy Defense force" comic is that such aggressive, dismissive, and insulting caricatures of different viewpoints or opinions like the ones found in that comic are already far too common in these discussions. They are a major part of why so many discussions devolve into pointless flame wars like the thread on last weeks comic. We need far more encouragement of the attitude of mutual respect that can bring forth actual discussion and growth found and subsequently mocked in this weeks comic.

This comic would have been brilliant if it wasn't for the subtext of "Oh well, people got insulted so I guess we won't try to do anything funny ever again." It's a shame.
I think you may be over looking some context of the medium itself. You sight that the comic makes use of caricatures; are caricatures in themselves not meant to be gross exaggerations of what they depict? They aren't meant to be taken seriously, or if they are, taken with a huge grain of salt.

On the other hand we are talking about a comic here, a medium who's history is founded on a basis of sarcasm and ridicule. Pick up any newspaper today and you will find political cartoons doing the same things to politicians that Grey and Cory are doing with this comic here. Is everything depicted true? Hell no. Is it offensive? Usually to whatever person or group it comments on. Does it get a point across? You bet it does, as can be seen by your comment and the comments on the last comic. It isn't a particularly subtle medium; comic writers and artists have to convey a point that some people could write pages about in a few frames. That isn't easy, and can be forced into coming off as more haphazard than careful, but their point is made, showing how carefully it was constructed and therefore it is a success. If you are looking for, as you said, "more encouragement of the attitude of mutual respect that can bring forth actual discussion and growth" and by that I'm guessing you mean civilized and sophisticated discussion, I think you are looking at the wrong medium to provide it, and also remember that the internet doesn't have the best track record as a whole if you are looking for clean discussion, although the Escapist has been a pretty good place for it overall.

That all being said, there are comics meant specifically to entertain, but even those tend to delve into deeper meanings on top of the literal arcs they depict.

shephardjhon said:
You know you don't actually have to be mean and offensive to do comedy. Look at XKCD, they have been in business a lot longer than you and are still good and not offensive as far as I know.
It is funny that you mention them specifically as not offensive because I was unfamiliar with this comic and looked it up. Hit the random button once and this one happened to pop up, http://xkcd.com/1197/ . If that isn't making fun of adobe then I don't know what it is doing. Just proves my point about comics being a medium built on sarcasm and ridicule. Some of the comics may be specifically for entertainment value, but then that is the point they are trying to make.

If their point is something beyond face entertainment value, comics are far more likely to ridicule something in a comedic way because it catches eyes and conveys a message. People also like to hear some of society's more serious problems in a lighter form of comedy than raw.

Overall, great job Cory and Grey. The comics are funny, have great substance, and have some fantastic artwork to tie it all together. That sounds like a successful comic to me. Keep up the good work!
 

Tallim

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JonB said:
3.5/5 stars. honestly this comic has gone so far downhill it is ridiculous. i am not reading it anymore.

grey carter used to write about serious important topics and now he has turned into a coward who only writes moronic pc things to please everyone. he is worse than the oatmeal.
As good as GTAV then.....

It's an ok comic I suppose. I read through the panels in a stoic manner and acknowledged the point.
 

Malty Milk Whistle

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ticklefist said:
After the last one I guess some epic backpedaling was necessary.
Oh come on, this is as far from backpedaling as humanly possible.
It's cycling.
With a jet attached.
Whilst screaming "YOLO" at the top of your lungs.
 

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The Bread is Delicious said:
Krantos said:
There doesn't seem to be much Love from Grey and Carter.
You mean Grey and Cory, right? Or was that just hyperbole trying to say Grey has enough bitterness for two people?
Yeah, that was just a mistake on my part, I meant Grey and Cory. Sorry.
 

StriderShinryu

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I approved of this comic. I would also love to see that strawman become a meme image posted repeatedly on the forums whenever his name is invoked.
 

BX3

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Is it... are... are we....

*Phew*, good. I'm a little bit nervous to walk around here anymore. Last time I showed up, there were just dead worms and open cans everywhere, and I didn't know how to deal with it, so I got out of dodge.
 
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Krantos said:
The Bread is Delicious said:
Krantos said:
There doesn't seem to be much Love from Grey and Carter.
You mean Grey and Cory, right? Or was that just hyperbole trying to say Grey has enough bitterness for two people?
Yeah, that was just a mistake on my part, I meant Grey and Cory. Sorry.
Just wanted to clarify, the second seemed a very strong possibility the more I thought about it, haha. Grey's cynicism does seem to be quite formidable in its own right.