Rebecca Black's new single.

[Hagi]

Incorrect.
Cherry picking a single word out of a sentence to define the rest of the statement is now how the english language works.

see, if you understood basic english
'...standardized in relation to...'
is a statement and should be considered as a whole.
As to its meaning... well that means that the individual would not be able to reach the 'standard' in alotted time required for it to be accomplished.

as for ' no such thing as standardized music ' statement...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A440_(pitch_standard)

yes... yes it can be. and it has.
Codified by the International Organization for Standardization title 16 'Acoustics -- standard tuning frequency (standard musical pitch)'

It is funny because you say you're following the rules of Semantics (although semantics don't define words, they help you understand the meaning beind words and statements) and do so by completely disregarding Grammar (the rules of which language is built on).

yes, you've given your definition of professional.
and i've stated it is wrong and provided another conflicting definition which is supported by the United States Code of Law.

I then went on to argue against the point of the definition to disprove it:
Professional Grade, Professional Criminal, Professional Resume... all of which don't get paid.
Dismantling the word to its base meaning, professional>Person of Profession>Person of a vocation that requires skill/training.
Professional Certification (photography, computer repair, automotive maintance).
base definition Profession paid for Skill > Occupation paid for Time (supported that the artist has to pay for the time to use a stage, concert hall, or even recording studio)

and yet, you disregard all of these and argue semantics over individual words in each statement.

i'm sure again, you'll argue the fininte meaning of 'certification' or something.

Do you even know what you linked?

"it has served as the audio frequency reference for the calibration of acoustic equipment and the tuning of pianos, violins, and other musical instruments."

It's a note for tuning musical instruments.

It's not a standard for human voices. There is no standard for song or music.

A musical instrument can be standardized, the music played on it can not.

Next time read the page you link first please.

As for your examples:
- Professional criminals are criminals who earn enough money through their crime to support their livelihoods.
- Grades and Resumes aren't people. The definition of professional we're arguing about is the one that relates to people. As in professional artist. You even quoted the US law of the definition relating to people, so why are you bringing grades and resumes into this?

Seriously, you're grasping at straws here. It's not working. Is it really so hard to admit that you were mistaken?

 

[joemegson94]

Rebecca Black is like a scrounging dog - if we don't give her our attention and chips, she'll piss off.

 

[Tim_Buoy]

Still not as much of a cancer to music as Design the Skyline is.

Oh god...anything besides Design the Skyline is good.

For those of you who don't know who they are, here's the abortion that is Design the Skyline:

OT: Her new song is still bad, but it's good compared to Friday.

That seems a bit like HORSE The Band had a bastard child with Asking Alexandria and The Devil Wears Prada was a sperm donor. . .I can't say I would classify them as an "abortion", but certainly an. . .acquired. . .taste.

I usually like that general genre, but they seem to be reveling in their "strange" factor and keyboard/synths a bit too much. And pig squeals for the sake of pig squeals aren't really good.

try theese guys out a friend showed them to me a couple of days back
blood stain child

 

[Coffinshaker]

seriously guys... the poor kid's only 14 with a terrible studio. she's not writing the songs. so cut her some slack. sure, it's not the best out there... but given the crud all these kids listen to now, it sure isn't any worse. >)

 

[frans909]

Only those who have never really tried to sing fail to understand that the voice is basically another instrument.

I think you're confusing a voice with Autotune.

 

[zehydra]

Only those who have never really tried to sing fail to understand that the voice is basically another instrument.

I think you're confusing a voice with Autotune.

no, Autotune is a software configuration that takes the voice's pitch and sets it to fixed pitches, often used for artists which cannot sing on pitch otherwise.

One's vocal chords ARE an instrument, ask any talented vocalist.

 

[frans909]

Only those who have never really tried to sing fail to understand that the voice is basically another instrument.

I think you're confusing a voice with Autotune.

no, Autotune is a software configuration that takes the voice's pitch and sets it to fixed pitches, often used for artists which cannot sing on pitch otherwise.

Yeah yeah and it was originally developed as a seismographic instrument and bla bla bla bla bla. Nowadays it's actually used more often as an effect (and a crappy one at that, but the Rebecca Black generation seems to enjoy it, as do the black eyed peas. Must be in the "black" i suppose).

One's vocal chords ARE an instrument, ask any talented vocalist.

You don't have to ask a talented vocalist. Maybe if you want a demonstration. Anyway, Rebecca Black might be an artist, but she's most definitely not a musician.

 

[Nouw]

After watching the video, I feel a bit depressed. The song is badly written and totally forgettable, but it so clearly proves that she thinks that "Friday" was popular because it was a good song, which it fucking wasn't, as anyone with the slightest bit of taste in music should be aware of. She clearly doesn't understand the the only reason that "Friday" was popular was because it was so hilariously awful in every way, that you couldn't help but laugh at it. This new single is aimed at her "haters" (everyone in the world except the 12 people in the world with blunt objects lodged in their skulls who thought Friday was a great song) and she honestly seems to think she has talent in music. That fact alone is almost as hilariously stupid as Friday.

She knows all of this and is doing it on purpose. It's a common way of making money in the music industry, just ask BonsaiK.

 

[WaReloaded]

Still not as much of a cancer to music as Design the Skyline is.

Amen, although, Bring Me The Horizon are just as bad.

 

[zehydra]

Only those who have never really tried to sing fail to understand that the voice is basically another instrument.

I think you're confusing a voice with Autotune.

no, Autotune is a software configuration that takes the voice's pitch and sets it to fixed pitches, often used for artists which cannot sing on pitch otherwise.

Yeah yeah and it was originally developed as a seismographic instrument and bla bla bla bla bla. Nowadays it's actually used more often as an effect (and a crappy one at that, but the Rebecca Black generation seems to enjoy it, as do the black eyed peas. Must be in the "black" i suppose).

One's vocal chords ARE an instrument, ask any talented vocalist.

You don't have to ask a talented vocalist. Maybe if you want a demonstration. Anyway, Rebecca Black might be an artist, but she's most definitely not a musician.

How can she not be a musician, if the art she produces as an artist is music? She might be a shitty musician, but a musician nonetheless.

 

[ProfessorLayton]

It's actually not bad. Maybe it's because I've recently been getting really big into pop music, but I feel that people who hate it are mostly hating it because they think they're supposed to because of her name.

Either way, no matter how bad you think the song is, she's making money off of it and it's a whole lot better than Friday. And it's funny because this song is pretty much about how everyone tries to bring her down but she's just laughing it off and making money off of hate. She's like the more successful version of Lil B.

I really like her attitude and the song isn't that bad. Though saying this on what is essentially a metal forum is kind of pointless.

EDIT: Also, all this autotune hate nonsense needs to stop. I'm a huge fan of Kanye West's 808's and Heartbreak and that's pretty much the perfect example of how autotune not only can make a song sound better but makes the song stand out. None of you would write off Peter Frampton for using his talk box, would you? Autotune is an instrument all to itself and if it sounds good, why does what's making the sound matter?

 

[LarenzoAOG]

Still not as much of a cancer to music as Design the Skyline is.

Oh god...anything besides Design the Skyline is good.

For those of you who don't know who they are, here's the abortion that is Design the Skyline:

OT: Her new song is still bad, but it's good compared to Friday.

That was litterally the worst thing I've ever heard, it's like they took a bunch of parts from shitty songs and put them together in a way that makes absolutely no sense to any one.

 

[Flailing Escapist]

Ahahahahahaha! There was actually a trailer for Batman: Arkham City that was advertised before the video and I found it a thousand times more appealing than listening to Rebecca Black sing about her "moment".

Edit: Is it just me or does Rebecca Black seem some what "hateful" in this music video? I feel like shes trying to rub her moment among other things into my face as smugly as possible.

 

[idodo35]

i knew this name was familiar!! rebeca black! shes a singer aperatly lol i played TF2 with her like a week ago and was sure the name was familliar...

 

[Lexodus]

It's not even any better. How do you fuck up autotune?

 

[Jumplion]

Infinitely better than "Friday".

Of course, infinity times zero is still zero.

But this is at least tolerable. She really does have a legitimately good voice without autotune, and I can't help but feel sorry for the sheer hatred she gets for the "Friday" song. I mean, guys, c'mon, she's a kid, and people were tossing some pretty nasty stuff her way.

 

[Jumplion]

Still not as much of a cancer to music as Design the Skyline is.

Oh god...anything besides Design the Skyline is good.

For those of you who don't know who they are, here's the abortion that is Design the Skyline:

OT: Her new song is still bad, but it's good compared to Friday.

............
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fuck you for causing me to listen to that!

Just........ugh........30 seconds in and my ears have castrated themselves off of my head..........

 

[blackdwarf]

it is not bad, it just bland. nothing specail and boring. can we now all agree that is isn't a good artist.

 

[frans909]

How can she not be a musician, if the art she produces as an artist is music? She might be a shitty musician, but a musician nonetheless.

For the same reason that 10 yards running doesn't make you an athlete.

 

[zehydra]

How can she not be a musician, if the art she produces as an artist is music? She might be a shitty musician, but a musician nonetheless.

For the same reason that 10 yards running doesn't make you an athlete.

if you're running 10 yards every day against other people who run 10 yards, then yes, you could be considered an athlete.