Rebecca Black's new single.

[pppppppppppppppppp]

Eh, she's basically gone from laughably bad to simply mediocre.

It's like the difference between Troll 2 and Transformers 3; the latter is technically better, but I had way more fun with the former.

 

[C2Ultima]

After watching the video, I feel a bit depressed. The song is badly written and totally forgettable, but it so clearly proves that she thinks that "Friday" was popular because it was a good song, which it fucking wasn't, as anyone with the slightest bit of taste in music should be aware of. She clearly doesn't understand the the only reason that "Friday" was popular was because it was so hilariously awful in every way, that you couldn't help but laugh at it. This new single is aimed at her "haters" (everyone in the world except the 12 people in the world with blunt objects lodged in their skulls who thought Friday was a great song) and she honestly seems to think she has talent in music. That fact alone is almost as hilariously stupid as Friday.

 

[Pyro Paul]

sigh...

Look at the Word professional.
notice, it is comprised of a word and a suffix.
Profession -al

now, as with most all words in the english language, adding '-al' as a suffix will mean 'of' or more accuratly 'pertaining to'

so Professional would litterally mean
Profession of.

and because it is an adj. it would be placed before a noun.
Professional Artist = Profession of someone that does art*
(the ist suffix denotes 'someone that (does)')

so now that we've properly disected 'Professional Artist'
lets look at it.

Profession of someone that does Art

now lets define the word 'Profession'

although there are multiple definitions, Most of which are tied to religion (profess- to announce/declare, ergo profession- is the act of announcement/declaring 'his profession of the end of days could be heard clear across the square')

Profession (when describing work)
a vocation(job) founded upon specialized skill and/or educational training

so a professional artist is:
someone of a job founded upon specialized skill and/or educational training for art.
-or-
someone with specialized/taught in making Art.

contrast to Professional builder:
some one specialized/taught in Building.
to Professional Killer:
some one specialized/taught in Killing.

You see a dictionary is ment to help you quickly understand the basic meaning behind a word so that you can understand them in the context they are probably used... from there you can then clarify the meaning through the context it is found in. As such, a Professional Criminal from your definition would be a person that is capable of making a living off of Crime. Yet in the context of the liturature it is found in, for instance Sherlock Holmes, it would mean a Criminal able to ply is trade and gain enough money off it to live comfortably with out getting caught... a feat of great skill.

Reading all this...
would you really still call Rebecca Black a Professional Artist?

sigh... right back at you...

"someone of a job founded upon specialized skill and/or educational training for art."

Rebecca Black has a job, namely singer. She sings, and she makes money with it. It's her job.

Her job is founded on the specialised skill of singing. Note that specialised does not mean good. It means:
"To pursue a special activity, occupation, or field of study."
"To concentrate on a particular activity or product."

Rebecca Black is pursuing and concentrating on her activity of singing. As such it's a specialised skill.

Singing is an artistic skill. It's part of an artistic medium, music.

As such Rebecca Black has a job founded on a specialised skill for art. Thus she is a professional artist.

Having a profession means you focus yourself on a particular skill in order to make a livelihood from that skill (it in no way or form has to be a difficult or otherwise challenging skill, you have to be just good enough to make a livelihood out of it).

Rebecca Black is specialising in her skill of singing, she's no good at it but that's irrelevant, and she's making a livelihood out of it.

ps. You suddenly, out of nowhere introduce "someone with specialized/taught in making Art." if you want to go by that definition I suggest you explain it. Professional still means you have to have a job. If you have just the skill and no job then it's not professional and you do not have a profession.

seriously?
you don't just take a sentence apart and adlib it back together. you've completely disregarded the basic rules of the english language just so you make it sound like your broken logic is right. And ontop of that, you again Dictionary.com up words with out understanding exactly what they mean to support your statement.

Specialize.
Special-ize
special = distinguished/superior
-ize = form (galvonizd/pulverized/demonized)

Specialized Skill = Superior form of skill
Specialized Defense = Superior form of defense
Specialized Training = Superior form of training

'a job founded upon specialized skill and/or educational training'
is a single cohesive statement.
you can not seperate it

but just because, lets break it down even more so you can't twist it's words.

a job founded upon specialized skill and/or educational training
a job founded upon a Superior Form of Skill and/or educational training

founded = Based/built upon (the settlers founded the city which we now call home)
upon = up on/on.

a job built on superior form of skill and/or educational training.
a job based on superior form of skill and/or educational training.

the only way these statements can be read are as follows:

a job built on superior form of skill
a job built on educational training
a job built on superior form of skill and educational training

a job based on superior form of skill
a job based on superior educational training
a job based on superior form of skill and educational traning

So.

Rebecca Black is a Singer based on her Superior singing skills.
Rebecca Black is a Singer based on her time with her Vocal coach.

are either of these statements true?
no.

Rebecca Black is a singer built on her superior singing skills.
Rebecca Black is a Singer built on her lengthy time with her vocal coach.

are either of these statements true?
no.

Now replace these statements with any other craft under the trade of 'music artist' (song writing, musical insterment playing, dancing, etc)
do any of those answers ring yes?

Not that i can see.

so.

Is Rebecca Black a Professional Music Artist?
No.

If you have just the skill and no job then it's not professional and you do not have a profession.

to this statement specifically.

Would a Professional Killer need to constantly be killing?
Would a Professional Criminal need to constantly be stealing?

Professional denotes that they have the skills required to ply the specific trade that they describe. Not that they are constantly under employ to do things under their profession.

if you want to debate the subtle nuances between Occupation and Profession...
a Profession is any vocation which Pays for your Skill.
an Occupation is any vocation which Pays for your Time.

and yes. i would go so far as to say that Rebecca Black was paid for her time, considering the amount of auto-tunning there is even in her new song, i strongly doubt they paid for her singing skills.

 

[Hagi]

seriously?
you don't just take a sentence apart and adlib it back together. you've completely disregarded the basic rules of the english language just so you make it sound like your broken logic is right. And ontop of that, you again Dictionary.com up words with out understanding exactly what they mean to support your statement.

Specialize.
Special-ize
special = distinguished/superior
-ize = form (galvonizd/pulverized/demonized)

Special is not superior. It merely means different. Out of the norm.

Distinguished can mean out of the norm, but is commonly always used when something is out of the norm in a superior way. Don't accuse me of twisting words when you're doing the exact same.

It does not in any way or form imply superiority. A person missing all his limbs is just as special as the strongest man alive, probably more so.

In addition to that the word "Specialize" gains additional meanings that the world "Special" has not. In specific specialisation, or focussing. But this additional meaning again does not contain any superiority, it merely means a focus.

The rest of your argument completely falls apart because you believe that superior and specialized are synonyms. Which they are not.

Specialized Skill = Superior form of skill
Specialized Defense = Superior form of defense
Specialized Training = Superior form of training

'a job founded upon specialized skill and/or educational training'
is a single cohesive statement.
you can not seperate it

but just because, lets break it down even more so you can't twist it's words.

a job founded upon specialized skill and/or educational training
a job founded upon a Superior Form of Skill and/or educational training

founded = Based/built upon (the settlers founded the city which we now call home)
upon = up on/on.

a job built on superior form of skill and/or educational training.
a job based on superior form of skill and/or educational training.

the only way these statements can be read are as follows:

a job built on superior form of skill
a job built on educational training
a job built on superior form of skill and educational training

a job based on superior form of skill
a job based on superior educational training
a job based on superior form of skill and educational traning

So.

Rebecca Black is a Singer based on her Superior singing skills.
Rebecca Black is a Singer based on her time with her Vocal coach.

are either of these statements true?
no.

Rebecca Black is a singer built on her superior singing skills.
Rebecca Black is a Singer built on her lengthy time with her vocal coach.

are either of these statements true?
no.

Now replace these statements with any other craft under the trade of 'music artist' (song writing, musical insterment playing, dancing, etc)
do any of those answers ring yes?

Not that i can see.

so.

Is Rebecca Black a Professional Music Artist?
No.

Again, special is not the same as superior.

And even if it was who the hell are you to decide what is and what is not superior?

If professionalism is tied to superiority then it becomes a completely subjective statement.

In which case Rebecca Black isn't professional to you, but to anyone who's a fan of her she is a professional. Professionalism is in the eye of the beholder?

If you have just the skill and no job then it's not professional and you do not have a profession.

to this statement specifically.

Would a Professional Killer need to constantly be killing?
Would a Professional Criminal need to constantly be stealing?

Professional denotes that they have the skills required to ply the specific trade that they describe. Not that they are constantly under employ to do things under their profession.

if you want to debate the subtle nuances between Occupation and Profession...
a Profession is any vocation which Pays for your Skill.
an Occupation is any vocation which Pays for your Time.

and yes. i would go so far as to say that Rebecca Black was paid for her time, considering the amount of auto-tunning there is even in her new song, i strongly doubt they paid for her singing skills.

They need to be employed as such. They do not need to be constantly doing their job (people do need sleep...) but they do need to do it often enough to sustain enough money to provide for themselves.

If you have just the skill but not the occupation then you are not a professional. Simple as that. No words being twisted, just pure and simple definition. In order to be a professional you need to have a profession. Having a profession means having a job/vocation, as you yourself say. If you do not have a job/vocation then you do not have a profession and thus are not a professional.

And "a Profession is any vocation which Pays for your Skill." applies to Rebecca Black. She has a skill. It's not an impressive skill at all, but a skill nonetheless. She sings. And she gets paid for it.

She certainly doesn't get paid for her time, she recorded it once but her earnings are in no way linked to the time spend recording. Her earnings are purely linked to popularity of her singing skill. She gets paid for her singing skill. By your own definition she has a profession, and thus is professional.

 

[ShindoL Shill]

Still not as much of a cancer to music as Design the Skyline is.

Oh god...anything besides Design the Skyline is good.

For those of you who don't know who they are, here's the abortion that is Design the Skyline:

OT: Her new song is still bad, but it's good compared to Friday.

design the skyline sounds like its trying to be screamo.
and failing.
miserably.
the drummer seems decent though. the others should be locked away.
OT: some of my friends agree with the OP, its not as terrible as friday. i havent heard it and dont plan to unless its via Brocks Dub.

 

[ZenoX969]

Meh...

 

[TornadoFive]

The song isn't too bad. It's a whole lot better than "Friday".

Yeah, pretty much this. It's pretty generic pop, and still auto-tuned, which I seriously dislike. But it's kinda catchy and while not my sort of music, I wouldn't complain if someone else put it on.

Whatever you think of her songs, you gotta respect her though. She got a huge opportunity after "Friday", and I think she did the right thing by not working with the "Ark" music company.

 

[Shock and Awe]

Not that bad actually, pretty average. If she put one out with natural singing voice(like the beginning of the song) it would be pretty good. Friday was an abomination because of the production, not the singing. Even though this one is autotuned better they did a much better job at it.

 

[Rancid0ffspring]

I listened to 33 seconds of this song and no more! Never liked her 1st song but knew she was a young girl that got hate mail from some complete wankers. Fair play the song was bad, but people are arseholes.

This song is a FUCK YOU to everyone that put this girl down!

I applaud her for it!

 

[Lenin211]

She will always be branded as the person who made Friday. Whether or not she deserves this however, I cannot say.

 

[Rancid0ffspring]

SNIP

The music is awful..... but if you spend one intelligent second listening to the song, it's her standing up to the shit that's been thrown her way....

'Weren't you the one who said i'd be nothing? Well I'm about to prove you wrong!'

'I'm not stopping for you, no matter what you do!'

This music is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad, but you cannot deny the fuck you to everyone that flamed this little girl. She is trying to do something a bunch of arsholes will never get a chance at.

I would like to add that I listen to punk and country and have no respect for whatever genre she falls under....

She just did something punk though..... even if it was unintentional

 

[Ace of Spades]

Well, it has a melody, and it doesn't sound like a robot is singing. Still not very good, but it's at least a song.

 

[klaynexas3]

it's better, but saying that is like saying the crock of shit is better than the bowl of vomit. it's still terrible crappy pop music, and it's no better or worse than any other pop crap out there. that was my opinion on the first song, but this is still an improvement.

 

[frans909]

Infinitely better. It's not wonderful pop, but I've certainly heard a lot worse. It's catchy, the video is kind of cute with her mom (presumably?) in the limo, I'd much rather see this kid enjoy popularity than Justin Bieber.

Justin Bieber plays a whole lot of instruments and is a real musician. You must be a complete mental case if you think that this fake wannabe attention whore should get more credit.

They're basically the same. Bieber's a music industry puppet, nothing more.

Yeah yeah, we're all puppets. Difference is that Bieber plays instruments and is actually a musician. You can't deny that. Well you could, I suppose, but you would be uh, wrong.

 

[zehydra]

Infinitely better. It's not wonderful pop, but I've certainly heard a lot worse. It's catchy, the video is kind of cute with her mom (presumably?) in the limo, I'd much rather see this kid enjoy popularity than Justin Bieber.

Justin Bieber plays a whole lot of instruments and is a real musician. You must be a complete mental case if you think that this fake wannabe attention whore should get more credit.

They're basically the same. Bieber's a music industry puppet, nothing more.

Yeah yeah, we're all puppets. Difference is that Bieber plays instruments and is actually a musician. You can't deny that. Well you could, I suppose, but you would be uh, wrong.

vocal-only singers are musicians too. It doesn't make a difference whether or not he can also play an instrument.

If you're counting Justin Bieber as a musician, then there's no reason you can't call Rebecca Black a musician.

 

[DR3AMCATCH3R94]

that's not even music thats literally noise, theres no tempo no constant rhythm i mean it doesnt even look like they no what to do with those instruments. i listned to cannibal corpse and there pretty much noise as well but you can at least feel a rhythm and can tell they've had experience with music and instruments

 

[Pyro Paul]

Special is not superior. It merely means different. Out of the norm.

Distinguished can mean out of the norm, but is commonly always used when something is out of the norm in a superior way. Don't accuse me of twisting words when you're doing the exact same.

It does not in any way or form imply superiority. A person missing all his limbs is just as special as the strongest man alive, probably more so.

In addition to that the word "Specialize" gains additional meanings that the world "Special" has not. In specific specialisation, or focussing. But this additional meaning again does not contain any superiority, it merely means a focus.

The rest of your argument completely falls apart because you believe that superior and specialized are synonyms. Which they are not.

Acctually, yes, special does can and often does denote somethings superiority over other items of the like. 'Special Edition' usually have more content or go into depth deeper then a regular edition. Special Treatment usually entails something above normal. '.38 Special' is a bullet that is acctually more powerful then the standard .38 pistol round of the time.

again, although a dictionary says 'Unique' or 'Diffrent' as its entries... when placed in context the words acctual meaning is 'superior'.

Again, special is not the same as superior.

And even if it was who the hell are you to decide what is and what is not superior?

If professionalism is tied to superiority then it becomes a completely subjective statement.

In which case Rebecca Black isn't professional to you, but to anyone who's a fan of her she is a professional. Professionalism is in the eye of the beholder?

Special Education...
many people attribute this to retards, mentally challenged individual, and use it as an insult through out high school.

but really, what is special education?
it is a more involved, hands on, and engaging form of education which gives handicapped individual the time and support they need to learn the same content.

wouldn't you call a more involved and engaging form of education a superior one?

as to your questions...
um... History... Music theory... common sense. thats how i can 'decide what is and what is not superior'.

Rebecca Black has obviously not the vocal coaching required to augment her voice to hit specific notes. this is evident through the fact that they auto-tune her voice to hit every note she misses.

Because she is incapable/lacks the skill of modifying the pitch and tone of her voice to the levels of what i would consider an Average singer/performance artist... that would mean that she is Inferior to them.

are you arguing that Rebecca Black has the same singing skill as Katy Perry, Madonna, and other high profile singers? or hell, that she has the same singing talent as Miley Cyrus, Justin Beiber, and Seline Gomez?

you yourself has often said:
'What she isn't is good'
which would mean that she is
'bad'

which would mean that she is not superior...

They need to be employed as such. They do not need to be constantly doing their job (people do need sleep...) but they do need to do it often enough to sustain enough money to provide for themselves.

If you have just the skill but not the occupation then you are not a professional. Simple as that. No words being twisted, just pure and simple definition. In order to be a professional you need to have a profession. Having a profession means having a job/vocation, as you yourself say. If you do not have a job/vocation then you do not have a profession and thus are not a professional.

So Professional Grade steel has to constantly be employed to be considered Professional?
Professional Resume has to be earning a living to support its wife and child?
and a Professional Golf Club does not denote the superior craftmenship and skill that went into its construction, but rather it gets paid to hit the golf ball, much unlike those generic golf clubs that get rented out...

And "a Profession is any vocation which Pays for your Skill." applies to Rebecca Black. She has a skill. It's not an impressive skill at all, but a skill nonetheless. She sings. And she gets paid for it.

She certainly doesn't get paid for her time, she recorded it once but her earnings are in no way linked to the time spend recording. Her earnings are purely linked to popularity of her singing skill. She gets paid for her singing skill. By your own definition she has a profession, and thus is professional.

Tour dates?
up coming Live performances?
how about a show at any venue?

if she was getting paid for her skills in singing... she would be doing these things... you know, getting paid for her skills.

but is she?
no. No she is not.

what is she getting paid for?
She is getting paid the Royalties off of the recordings she did.

so, she is getting paid for that scant amount of time she spent in a recording studio...

Paid for Time = Not professional.

 

[repeating integers]

Is it just me, or was that song actually... not that bad?

She's gone up from "totally terribad" to "generic and forgettable", so I suppose that's an improvement. Perhaps she'll keep going up from here.

 

[Hagi]

Acctually, yes, special does can and often does denote somethings superiority over other items of the like. 'Special Edition' usually have more content or go into depth deeper then a regular edition. Special Treatment usually entails something above normal. '.38 Special' is a bullet that is acctually more powerful then the standard .38 pistol round of the time.

again, although a dictionary says 'Unique' or 'Diffrent' as its entries... when placed in context the words acctual meaning is 'superior'.

That isn't how language works. You can't just go on making up your own definitions for words. If you want to use English that means you stick to the definitions in the English dictionary. The moment you stop doing that communication becomes useless because you could frankly mean anything with the words you use.

And a 'special case' almost never describes a superior case. It in fact is most commonly used to describe a case which is worse then the average case.

On top of that you completely disregard that specialize isn't the same as special. Specialize is a different word, with a different meaning. It's closely related but not the same. It carries additional meanings.

Special Education...
many people attribute this to retards, mentally challenged individual, and use it as an insult through out high school.

but really, what is special education?
it is a more involved, hands on, and engaging form of education which gives handicapped individual the time and support they need to learn the same content.

wouldn't you call a more involved and engaging form of education a superior one?

as to your questions...
um... History... Music theory... common sense. thats how i can 'decide what is and what is not superior'.

Rebecca Black has obviously not the vocal coaching required to augment her voice to hit specific notes. this is evident through the fact that they auto-tune her voice to hit every note she misses.

Because she is incapable/lacks the skill of modifying the pitch and tone of her voice to the levels of what i would consider an Average singer/performance artist... that would mean that she is Inferior to them.

are you arguing that Rebecca Black has the same singing skill as Katy Perry, Madonna, and other high profile singers? or hell, that she has the same singing talent as Miley Cyrus, Justin Beiber, and Seline Gomez?

you yourself has often said:
'What she isn't is good'
which would mean that she is
'bad'

which would mean that she is not superior...

Again. Special != Superior. You can't make up your own definitions.

Specialized also means focussed. It means spending an amount of time into something that is far above average.

Taking into account that she's 13. How much more specialized can you be at that age?

So Professional Grade steel has to constantly be employed to be considered Professional?
Professional Resume has to be earning a living to support its wife and child?
and a Professional Golf Club does not denote the superior craftmenship and skill that went into its construction, but rather it gets paid to hit the golf ball, much unlike those generic golf clubs that get rented out...

Steel and Golf Clubs aren't people. So the definition of Professional changes in this case (yup, definitions are tricky like that. They can change meaning in different contexts. Might want to grab a dictionary for once).

A professional item is an item made by a professional. So any golf club made by someone who focusses his attention mostly on the creation of golf clubs is professional.

And yes, I know that goes against your 'superior' tastes. But that's simply what the definition is. It's only used in the case of superior items since it's not worth using in any other scenario as the difference between professional items and non-professional items would be too small. But that doesn't change the definition, as determined by the Dictionary.

And as far as Language goes the Dictionary is our common agreement. We all agree to abide by the dictionary so that when I use one word everybody else knows what I mean with it. If you don't use the English Dictionary then you're not speaking English and this discussion is pointless.

Tour dates?
up coming Live performances?
how about a show at any venue?

if she was getting paid for her skills in singing... she would be doing these things... you know, getting paid for her skills.

but is she?
no. No she is not.

what is she getting paid for?
She is getting paid the Royalties off of the recordings she did.

so, she is getting paid for that scant amount of time she spent in a recording studio...

Paid for Time = Not professional.

Tours don't take time?
Any artist that has been on a tour spend time on it.
So I'm just going to say, like you are, that they were paid for their tour time, not their skills. Who cares about arguments! Silly little things, who needs those anyway! Let's just make statements that support my position!
Live performances? Paid for the time they spend on that, not for their skill!
Shows at a venue? Paid for their time!/sarcasm

Again you're basing your entire argument on your self made-up definition that special is exactly the same as superior. You can't make up your own definitions and still speak English. It doesn't matter if she's good or not.

What matters is that she's making a livelihood out of her skill.

That's what professional means. That's what the Dictionary says. And as long as you're speaking English the dictionary is god, the law and everything else.

If you want to start talking PyroPaulesian or any other made-up language of your own where words abide by the definitions you give them then sure, you're right. But as long as we're speaking English you need to stop making up your own definitions and start using the Dictionary.

 

[gyroscopeboy]

Still not as much of a cancer to music as Design the Skyline is.

Oh god...anything besides Design the Skyline is good.

For those of you who don't know who they are, here's the abortion that is Design the Skyline:

OT: Her new song is still bad, but it's good compared to Friday.

Fucking hell, that was the shittest thing i've seen in a while! One of those singers looks like Steve Tylers son :|

OT: There's still a shitload of Autotune on her voice, you can hear it in the awful timing of her performance.