Report: UK Developer Tax Cut Sabotaged by Major Publisher

Blimey

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Baron Khaine said:
I'm betting it was Activision.

Why?

Bobby Kotick is fucking evil.
Yeah. This.

Seriously, it was the first and only thing I could think of. Maybe if Kotick wouldn't give me a reason to have nothing but virulent hatred towards him.
 

Charli

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Well this cost me a job directly y'know.

...I am so pissed I could rant for pages but then the mods would ban me for utter obscene behavior so I'll just continue logging onto WoW and FURIOUSLY INVADING ENEMY TOWNS AND KILLING THINGS LOWER LEVELED THAN ME.

*twitch*

Edit: to my credit, every alliance that's tried to stop me so far, has failed. Rage does the PvP mind good apparently.
 

Danzaivar

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This totally goes against the conservative thing of trying to lure businesses to the UK. Something isn't right here...
 

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Therumancer said:
Well, I think people aren't thinking this through in a lot of the responses. I think the British Goverment made the right desician overall.

Without know the exact publisher, understand that there is currently a trade war between the US and Europe, even if it's not the nastiest one in history. Simply put Europe wants the EU to be the dominant world power, at least economically, and the US which is currently a service based economy and the dominant economic power doesn't want this to happen. The back and forth between Wall Street and the European Common Market has been going on for a while now, and we've even had snide referances in movies with bad guys demanding payment in "Euros, because the dollar isn't what it used to be" coming into popular culture.
I don't think these attempted tax breaks on the gaming industry in the UK are tied towards Euro-American relations. Canada has tax-breaks and relationships between the US and Canada are fine. While the gaming industry may make billions a year, it is still relativly new and a small industry compared to say, the music, car or film industry. i reakon few politicans in America are probably even aware of these attempted tax breaks. For these reasons i carn't see how a larger game industry in the UK will damage UK-US relations. This isn't a European issue either. Britain is not in the Eurozone, and while a stronger game industry in the UK would benifit other European states through the common market, it would mainly benifit the UK because the tax-breaks are exclusive to the UK. Furthermore, there has recently been a major crisis of faith in the Euro following the Greek financial crisis, for the time being the dollar has little to worry about from the Euro.

On topic, considering the Con-Lib attempts to cut the deficit, denying tax breaks to the game industry strikes me as being consistant. I won't deny the possibility that a major publisher lobbied the government however, and will wait for further news on the issue.
 

More Fun To Compute

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Therumancer said:
Well, I think people aren't thinking this through in a lot of the responses. I think the British Goverment made the right desician overall.
On the other hand I think that you are maybe overthinking it.

Game publishers are global corporations and over all they love the tax breaks in Canada. America, or France for that matter, are not famous for punishing corporations or countries for engaging in outsourcing. Some people say that we might be entering an era of de-globalisation but if that happens then the effects on the game industry would be a side note.

One reason why this might be justifiable for us in the UK as it is for Canada but not USA, France or Japan is that now Eidos is Japanese owned all but one of the major global publishers are based in those countries. Exception being NCSoft in Korea.
 

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If this is true then it's going to be harder for me to find a job. I want to work in game development when I graduate, specifically in level design, and with no tax breaks from the UK government developers are going to try and save money elsewhere in the current economic climate, and one of those ways will undoubtably be to avoid hiring new staff as much as possible. So I guess my future when I graduate next year is kind of screwed. Ah well, I could always teach Maths in some school or another...
 

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HA and people honestly believed the Conservatives would look out for small businesses. They are in the pockets of enormous evil corperations of doom (such as whoever decided this would be a good idea) and somebody decided independent developers were too much of a threat to their already gargantuan sales.
 

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TraderJimmy said:
Bullcrap. The Lib-Cons gain no popularity for lowering game developer taxes, and they're trying to raise taxes/lower spending at the moment to repay the deficit. Blame Activision all you want, simple truth is there're new players in town.

Doesn't really fit with the supposed Conservative ideal of using your own initiative, making your own business, Big Society etc. Who embodies that ideal more than game devs? But then again, when did parties ever actually stick to their principles once in power?

EDIT: I also LOVE the argument a Major Publisher (Omg) supposedly used; it would give the UK industry an unfair advantage. Think for a second. Can you see that argument flying in America?

Sorry, we can't keep taxes on business low. Why? It gives America an unfair edge on the rest of the world. We know this because Richard Branson told us. Why no, I don't believe he has a special interest here.

This rumour sounds...just ridiculous.
I'm with you on this one,

an un-named company (presumably not british) convinced the uk government to not give uk businesses a tax break, purely because it would give british developers an advantage? I'm sorry but that makes it sound like the government doesn't want local companies to succeed in a big budget growth industry... Sounds like utter balls to me.

Now our government wanting to suck every last pound up in taxes that it can is far more believable.
 

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IckleMissMayhem said:
Searlero said:
The fact that the cut was abandon was that the treasury has a total of 58p, a couple of beads and 23 Drachma.
QFT. Shouldn't people in the UK be a bit more pissed off that VAT's increasing to 20%??
The VAT rise isn't that bad. For every £200 you spend, it goes up by about £4.
 

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As much as I'd love a reason to hate the ConDem government, I don't see them passing up the opportunity to give the UK an unfair advantage at anything over anyone.

Methinks there is more to this story then we have yet heard.
 

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More hate aimed towards activision.
Hell, even if it wasn't Acti, I still hate them.
(Although, if I'm honest, its more likely the Budget - if defence and health are getting cut, I really doubt that the UK games industry wouldn't get cut)

There is another way to work this out. Its all due to a piece of legislation passed in 2000/2001 by Blair.
Freedom Of Information Act, 2000/1

Why? Well, this isn't a military case, it doesn't involve the SiS, it doesn't relate to the defence of the realm, so it's unlikely that this will have the 30 year official secrets act on it.

Give it a few weeks. Then go and apply for the files. Then we'll see.

[sub]thank you AS-level OCR politics![/sub]
 

Humble85

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I call Bullshit on the whole story. As long as whoever made the claim doesnt give the sources and name of the alleged major publisher it is all just a big bubble to make people speculate and whatnot. its stupid.
 

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Straying Bullet said:
Enigmers said:
Something sinister is at work here.
Indeed, your avatar gives that much cynical and dramatic effect there.

I am calling shennegans on Activision, they are literally a publisher from Hell and want everyone eradicated. Of course this is a joke and I am rather concerned which Publisher done this.

<Reserved Judgement.
You sir, are a man after my own heart. Though having seen the behaviour of it's CEOs, I cannot be surprised if what you said is true. Though having said all this, I'm betting it was the Liberal Democrat / Conservative Coalition Government trying to save money which was squandered on quangos by the last government.