Resident evil 6 hate.

[In Search of Username]

I dunno, my favourite Resi is the remake of the original on the Gamecube. I don't play a lot of horror games, admittedly, but I find that to be scarier than anything else I've played (including Amnesia). Other than that the only other one I like is 4, which is a great action game tinged with horror. 5 just felt like it was trying to be an action game (which there's nothing wrong with) but had far too awkward controls to manage it. I haven't played 6 and probably won't, but from what I've seen of it, it's kind of lacking focus by having so many playable characters. Resident Evil 1 and 4 wouldn't have been scary if you'd switched between characters and settings all the time, because having a persistent setting is key to making the player feel trapped in a hostile environment. I dunno, I think they should split Resident Evil into two series if they're now trying to fit both the atmosphere of the original and the action of Gears of War into the same game.

Well it sure has been a very long time since i have joined a discussion on the Escapist...but i shall join to comment this.

I do not believe that R.E6 is a bad game because it does not follow the original games, i actually enjoy the games quite a lot even if they have a different feel to them. The reason why i believe people should not like the game, is for technical problems.

I propose this, and i highly doubt Capcom will ever do this but here goes. How bout have two type of games for resident evil. The Resident Evil we have now, with giant budgets and a different style of gameplay, and then sell a different Resident Evil game that follows the more classic style of gameplay. Even if Capcom would go ahead and not make the game gorgeous with extremely polished graphics, they could release it as a $20 game. Sure this is unrealistic since it is better to assume that they would slap on a 40-60 dollar price tag, but it would let the old R.E fans eat their cake, while the new R.E fans can enjoy the newer style of games so long as they keep a functional game.

Personally i wouldnt mind buying both style of games so long as the games are entertaining, but more on topic i have to say that though the rant could be summed up in a much less hostile way, the internet will always have two sides that try to find valid points for themselves. How about we just make it short and say that both sides have things that are correct and incorrect about them.

P.S i know that this will never ever happen, and i want to say that im not trying to rant/"troll", but if it did come off as that, i am sorry.

Goddammit you ninja'd me.

 

[Mr. Eff_v1legacy]

I played the demo and experienced a bland, generic TPS. Disappointment aside, it's not a surprise.
However if they really are "innovating" (which I don't think they are) then stop ADVERTISING it as horror.

 

[Ravinoff]

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You forgot the targeting reticle which was designed by a chicken with Parkinson's desease.

Wait, targeting reticle? In a post-4 RE game? What? I loved the laser pointers, man. And the inventory system in 4. And the Red9.

But more on-topic: I felt that 4 was much better than 5, and that bringing back Umbrella was the dumbest decision Capcom made until RE: Revelations. Revelations being one of those games that compares best to a cheesy movie like From Dusk Till Dawn. It's utterly ludicrous, but you can't stop watching it because you want to see what stupid thing happens next.

 

[LobsterFeng]

Speaking as someone who fucking loves RE4 and thinks RE5 was pretty good co-op, I want to say that the RE6 demo was awful. It's not that it wasn't scary enough or anything, I don't care about that. My problem is that it was really bad in every way.
It controlled awfully (worse than RE5, and that's difficult to do), guns had no punch, there was no tension, and when it was trying to be scary it was just dark. Dark=/=scary.
Also they changed Leon's voice actor. Wtf.

Wow, way to say exactly what I was going to say.

RE 4 is my favorite game of all time and playing RE 5 co-op with my best buddy was quite fun.

But after playing the demo I just couldn't see how I could enjoy RE6 with those controls. The RE4 controls are more fluid than RE6 and you can't even move while aiming in RE4. How on earth did that happen?

Captcha: goose bumps

Hooray for semi self-aware captcha and all that.

 

[Mr.Pandah]

Ummm....I don't think people have a problem with it "deviating" from the standard in Resident Evil. In fact, I'd welcome the change, it's just the game actually sucks. The camera is terrible, the controls are unintuitive, the story is botched together, and it just doesn't play well.

We don't hate it for being different, we hate it because it's bad.

 

[Mr.Pandah]

Ummm....I don't think people have a problem with it "deviating" from the standard in Resident Evil. In fact, I'd welcome the change, it's just the game actually sucks. The camera is terrible, the controls are unintuitive, the story is botched together, and it just doesn't play well.

We don't hate it for being different, we hate it because it's bad.

I dont mean to sound like a troll, but wasnt the original Resident Evil's like that? The controls were always sort of sluggish, the camera had a tendency to switch in such a way you can not see enemies, and the story was always ridiculous and plot hole ridden. That was what made the original Resident Evils amazing in a B-movie like way. I apologize if this is trolling on what you said, but that is one argument you can make with the newer games having these aspects.

On a side note i do understand that R.E 5 had somewhat tighter controls, i just wished to reference the original games for this post.

Then you simply misunderstand what I'm saying. The original games didn't have access to the technology they do today, so I'll disregard the argument of "well the originals were like that!".

The characters are FAR too big and take up too much of the screen for the current camera they use. The controls are unintuitive due to the sheer stupidity of placement and button presses needed to perform certain actions. Why isn't the dodge just mapped to a certain button? Why do I have to press 3 buttons to do one action? This isn't Street Fighter. Why won't my game pause? AT ALL? My xbox controller has a tendency to not realize that the battery pack is in, so I fully expect my game to pause itself in this day and age when the controller decides to die on me. But no, Leon decides to crouch down and check his texts. The story has zero pacing, and doesn't even care if it makes sense. That's just a problem with their choice of 3 campaigns though.

That is what I'm talking about. If you don't understand what I'm saying now, then I just give up. If you don't agree though, then agree to disagree.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

The OP threw so many strawman arguments, hay-bales were popping out of my screen...

CAPTCHA: no holds barred

Yeah, that's the kind of fandom we're seeing here.

Brandy loyalty at its worst makes people defend things they haven't experienced in the worst ways possible.

 

[afroebob]

So, all the other players, critics and onlookers are ALL wrong and you are right? I don't even give a quarter of a fuck about Resident Evil and I know your being fucking retarded. Ya, nerds tend to over react to shit all the time but when something is universally considered bad by critcs and fans alike there has to be a point where you take what they say with validity. Go ahead and like the game but don't go off thinking your smart because you have a different opinion (that I suspect is based of fanboy-ism).

 

[Rawne1980]

Resident Evil 6 demo was shit.

Resident Evil 5 was shit.

Resident Evil 4 was shit.

In fact, Resi 2 was the last decent game I played in the series.

 

[PorkChopXpress]

The RE 6 demo left me with no enthusiasm.

I've always had a love/hate relationship with the RE franchise over the years, even since the original on PS1. A lot of it is nostalgia. At the core of it, I love the concept of man vs. zombies that were built by scientists at the whim of an evil corporation. CAPCOM decided that wasn't enough and we got thrown into standard video game territory with absurd things like Hunters, Lickers, giant animals, and people with giant eyeballs for shoulders. There were also the nonsensically over the top puzzles just to find switches, chess pieces and emblems all for the purpose of opening a door...nobody in the world does that.

I really wanted to love RE4 when it came out, and enjoyed the first act of the game and some church bits, but then the Gigantes, Plagas popping out of peoples heads, giant stone statues built to walk 30 feet then collapse and cult leaders turning into giant spiders. CAPCOM! It's kind of why I can't get into L4D, the whole idea of a "tank" zombie is too much for me to get into when at its core, it's a zombie game.

There is more than enough fear to be felt in limited resources, being outnumbered and alone against hordes of walking dead to maintain a game franchise.

Lastly, I think RE needs a character design overhaul. Everyone dresses way too high fashion for the situations they often find themselves in. All the characters were more practical in the beginning, now Wesker wears a snake-skinned costume complete with trench coat, ADA wears a slinky red dress that provides ZERO protection from zombie bites, Chris goes from "every-man" physique to OUTRAGEOUS beefcake, and Leon has a woman's haircut that has never changed since RE2 (except for highlights).

Personally, I'd be in favor of a complete reboot of the Resident Evil franchise.

 

[xomocekc]

^You sound like the most boring person ever. You should go play DayZ.

 

[Denamic]

When you take an established and well loved franchise and promptly homogenizes it into third/first person shooting gallery #9293, people are going to be pissed off.

 

[malestrithe]

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First, it does not help your argument if you call people that disagree with you names. That tends to place you in a higher position than others and it only serves to alienate the people you are trying to persuade.

Secondly, the reason why we have critics is to inform us if a purchase is worth our time and energy. It is true with movies, comic books, music, and every other form of popular entertainment. As admirable as it is to want to play every game, watch every movie, hear every album, it is impossible to do so. There are not enough hours in the average lifetime to adequately do that. What a lot people do is find a half dozen critics who are interested in similar things that we are and trust their judgment. Chances are if they like the movie, game, whatever, you will too.

Lastly, I get why you need to defend a game you like, but don't. It is an overreaction to essentially a nothing position. Why does it matter that people disagree with you about a game? How does knowing that people dislike something you do affect your enjoyment of the game?

 

[Ragsnstitches]

I liked survival horror, at least 4 kept some of that, now it's just a game for COD brodudes. :<
So much sad face.

I played all of the Resident Evil games on release and its just become completely different from what it used to be. It's like Tekken becoming a point and click adventure.

Spoiler: A wee rant on the double standards of gamers

When CoD releases new games with minimal changes, people decry it as a sin of game development.

When other games release completely reworked game mechanics and refocused core direction, people throw a fit.

Metal Gear Rising Revengence has already been dismissed by a few because A: Raiden is leading again, and B: Its hack n slash instead of hide n sneak. You know, despite the game looking pretty sweet for a hack n slash game (jury is still out on how it stands up to other MG games).

MGS 5, because its open world, is also getting flak. In fact, every MGS that deviated from Metal Gear Solids original formula was met with anger.

The new reboot of DMC... people hated it before even seeing it cause "emo Dante". No one else thought 90's grunge metal Dante was getting a wee bit dated no?

The Reboot of the Tomb Raider series was dismissed even prior to the "rape" fiasco.

Spoiler: A fairly large rant on the quality and direction of the Resi series

Resident Evil 4, arguably the best thing to happen to the Resi series, was hated when they announced the refocused design.

As a survival horror series, the Resi games aren't and never were top of their game in the first place. Other games were more horrifying, other games were more focused on survival, other games had better stories for horror themes. Resi series has always been a gore fest... the refocus to action over horror proved this, considering the least horrifying game (4) is still arguably the best incarnation. Seriously, only the Regenerators were truly unnerving.

The change in the series is more akin to a watered down Gran Turismo knock off series becoming an excellent Burnout game over time, then failing to reach that shining standard in 2 subsequent iterations. Capcom couldn't do horror too well, and the survival elements were getting nerfed with each instalment (Code Veronica had you stuck for space with the amount of ammo available). However they could do gore and violence really well... Resi 4 opened up the series to a host of new and messy means to mince grotesque monsters. Resi 5 fucked that up by giving you a lobotomised AI or a retarded human partner (can't filter stupid sadly). Resi 6 makes the AI invincible... that's already a victory over 5.

The verdict, for me, is still out on whether Resi 6 is any good. Co-op resis never appealed to me so my interest waned after 5. However, I'm not going to claim disgust over the series for simply changing from something that kinda worked (Resi 1-CV), to something that REALLY worked (Resi 4). I will say that the Co-Op route was the worst addition to the series, but that's personal grievance. I recently replayed 5 with a friend and its actually better then people give it credit for... its just not a single player game anymore.

TL/DR

My point is, don't hate the game for changing the formula, we want more of that and less of the same minimalistic sequential shit we see so much of. The refocus to action game actually helped the ageing series back at 4, the co-op hindered it in 5 due to shoddy implementation... and 6 appears to have improved it if only slightly.

Until I actually play it myself I can't make a call on it, but I find it hard to believe it could be worse then 5, since 5 was a broken mess and by far the worst in the series (and yet I still got some joy out of it). That isn't to say its good just so either... it could be overwhelmingly samey (which is bad as I mentioned above) or wildly derivative i.e doesn't know what it's trying to be (which seems to be the case).

Just don't rag on a series for changing. Thats what old people do when they forget that life moves on without their consent. This isn't an attack on you or anything, just realise, and be cautious of, the direction your taking when you reject changes just because your familiar with how things were.

CAPTCHA: "take wrong turns"

Yeah... I believe that might be what happened since 4.

 

[KoudelkaMorgan]

RE4 was the only game in the series I loved. I spent a lot of time with 2 and 3 as well. I never liked RE1,0, code veronica, or 5.

I played the Dragon's Dogma demo of RE6, and I actually liked what I played of Leon and Busty Shotgun Lady.

Then I played as chris, and I thought I couldn't dislike it any more until I played as Sherry and Jake.

Unsurprisingly I enjoyed the scenario with the dramatic/tense/suspenseful/RE4-like plot/setting, and detested the warzone/bro-op/gears-clone scenario and the "run from this thing you can't kill, then kill it anyways" cliche scenario.

I knew from having played RE5 all I needed to know about whether I needed to care about the series anymore, and from most accounts my apathy of RE6 has been one of the tamer reactions to it so far.

 

[Rawne1980]

I'll have a go then, guv'ner.

Why was it decent?

Why was Resi 2 decent....

Resi 2 came out when "survival horror" was getting popular so to speak. They had a decent background to build up from after Resi 1 and some of us wanted to know where it was going.

Gameplay was good, story was good, some of the characters were forgettable but i'll get to that and it had "atmosphere" in some parts.

It was a decent paced game as well. You had the 2 chapters and then the part of doing it while being chased by a big bloody thing in a rain mac that liked to barge through walls.

It also had parts I still remember today. Walking past boarded windows and zombie hands smashing through. Walking down a corridor, seeing a pool of blood and then a Licker dropping down. Standing in a room with a 2 way mirror and a Licker jumping through. The giant Alligator in the sewer who's head you blew off and the constantly mutating boss.

I can't remember anything of Resi 4 or 5 beyond dumb as feth QTE's.

Some of the characters had a bit of depth to them and some were irritating. Leon and Claire had some good plot points and we got to see quite a bit of their characteristics. Did Leon let Ada fall on purpose... you get my point. While sections like the ones involving Sherry did get annoying.

It also had a nice build up to the end boss fight and it added a bit of tension for being timed (gotta love those count downs).

Plus, at the time, the market wasn't already over saturated with exactly the same kind of thing. Silent Hill, Parasite Eve and Dino Crisis ... there was room for it.

The puzzles added a bit of something, not much but something.

Even Resi 3 had it's good points ... it had the Nemesis for 1, and probably only that.

Resi 4 moved it out of it's own genre into action, removed the "zombie" element and made it more "human". It basically took what Resident Evil was, chewed it up and spat out a big mess. And it added QTE's which I hate with the passion of a thousand burning suns.

Resi 5 added co-op which I hate just as much as QTE's because a game very rarely gets it right and that game certainly didn't.

Resi 6, from what I saw in the demo, looks like Resi 4 and it's sister Resi 5 had drunken sex and produced an inbred mutant that has no idea what the feth it is.

 

[Kopikatsu]

My point is, don't hate the game for changing the formula, we want more of that and less of the same minimalistic sequential shit we see so much of. The refocus to action game actually helped the ageing series back at 4, the co-op hindered it in 5 due to shoddy implementation... and 6 appears to have improved it if only slightly.

Until I actually play it myself I can't make a call on it, but I find it hard to believe it could be worse then 5, since 5 was a broken mess and by far the worst in the series (and yet I still got some joy out of it). That isn't to say its good just so either... it could be overwhelmingly samey (which is bad as I mentioned above) or wildly derivative i.e doesn't know what it's trying to be (which seems to be the case).

The AI partner is a lot better in RE6. Partially due to the invincibility/infinite ammo thing (Which means that no matter how hard they try, they absolutely cannot fuck up their given job, whether it's running, fighting off hordes of powerful enemies despite the fact that they struggle with trash mobs, etc. They're occasionally not as good as a real player (For example, sometimes the AI will let you get shot a couple times while climbing across a pole, and it has a tendency to prioritize reviving you over everything else...so immediately after being revived but before regaining control of your character you get hit again and insta-die because the AI never cleared the area of enemies) but they're often better.

I'm not sure why everyone seems to hate QTEs with so much vigor though. I feel like they're a good compromise between pure gameplay (Because often QTEs involve the characters acting/preforming in ways that are impossible in normal gameplay/would be very difficult if not impossible to implement naturally) and regulating every non-pure gameplay sequence to cutscene. The added level of interactivity is good, imo.

On the other hand, I don't know why everyone wants every game to be open world with a large variety of choice where every selection changes the story in a large and meaningful way either. So maybe it's just me.

 

[krazykidd]

I've not played 6 yet (so i'm well prepared to be completely ignored) but I must say the hate towards it is really giving me some hope that EA will have to try and modify Dead Space 3 into something other than GENERIC GEARS OF WAR CLONE 189!!. Just pretend Resident Evil stopped with RE4 and Capcom made Dead Space instead, not really as scary but defiantly the natural successor to the new formula. Oh and in my world of denial they made Revelations as a nice throwback.

I could really have quoted almost anyone in the thread to say this, but you were closest! Congrats on me being lazy. Anyway...

Horror was never the core of the RE franchise. It was narm. Heaps and heaps of hilariously awful narm.

It was never scary. I'd argue that beyond RE1, it was never meant to be. It started campy beyond belief and still is.

Gah , why do so many people get this wrong . It's not horror , it's survival horror . There is a difference . That's like saying action rpg and rpg is the same thing . You can't just cut out half of the genre to make a point .

 

[Kopikatsu]

I've not played 6 yet (so i'm well prepared to be completely ignored) but I must say the hate towards it is really giving me some hope that EA will have to try and modify Dead Space 3 into something other than GENERIC GEARS OF WAR CLONE 189!!. Just pretend Resident Evil stopped with RE4 and Capcom made Dead Space instead, not really as scary but defiantly the natural successor to the new formula. Oh and in my world of denial they made Revelations as a nice throwback.

I could really have quoted almost anyone in the thread to say this, but you were closest! Congrats on me being lazy. Anyway...

Horror was never the core of the RE franchise. It was narm. Heaps and heaps of hilariously awful narm.

It was never scary. I'd argue that beyond RE1, it was never meant to be. It started campy beyond belief and still is.

Gah , why do so many people get this wrong . It's not horror , it's survival horror . There is a difference . That's like saying action rpg and rpg is the same thing . You can't just cut out half of the genre to make a point .

I just want to point out that Resident Evil 1 coined the term 'survival horror'. Games of that type existed before then (RE itself was heavily inspired by Alone in the Dark), but the term 'survival horror' didn't exist before it became part of RE1's ad campaign.

So if you're judging a game based on true survival horror, you're going to have to compare it to RE1 because that was the game that defined the genre. Which, as I said, was hilariously campy to such an extent that I don't think I can be convinced that it wasn't intentional.

Edit: The point that I'm trying to make is that even RE2 didn't match the template that RE1 set. Resident Evil began it's journey into action horror as early as RE2, but I guarantee that you won't find a single person who says that Resident Evil was ruined by RE2.

Personally, I'd be in favor of a complete reboot of the Resident Evil franchise.

That's exactly what RE4 was. Then they ruined it by trying to bring back the 'old' Resident Evil in RE5.

 

[BoredAussieGamer]

Can someone get the OP a cookie and a glass of milk so he can take a nap and end this nonsense?