Two primary characters are played by A) A woman and B) A person of color.Silverbeard said:
The film's insidious progressive agenda cannot be denied.
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The film's insidious progressive agenda cannot be denied.
weird! I wonder when this happened. (an annoying bird chirps 2007 off in the distance)Windknight said:
Was never like that when I poked in on them, it was more like an anarchist country club, loads of anti-govs, lots of artists, painters, writers, all stripes like that. (the kinds of guys naive at social interaction and prey for gold diggers and the crazy) also a sizable SE asian population. Now it looks like any average Florida retirement home.
But then again, the last time I had contact with that world was in 2005...They seemed remote and niche enough they were safe from any sort of co-option. It certainly wouldn't have had anything to do with tea partiers back then.
I do recall hearing that a real big US name [http://queerfearscarewithatwist.blogspot.com/2012/03/tribute-to-randall-shake.html] died suddenly causing a lot of administrative crumbles and silent desertions.
Well, just because one joins in prayer for the German people to be freed and a puppet government overturned does not make one a nazi, see? They should be afforded the opportunity to throw off their occupiers just as we did Ceausescu!Lilani said:
Speaking of those fine fellows it's amusing they're a bit less ridiculous than their Avfm counterparts [http://8ch.net/pol/res/4323534.html]. In betwixt cursing and vulgarity there's at least some film discussion going on, and a couple fanboys of other Scifi opera franchises chiming in. Mary Sue/perfect hero seems to be the most common accusation, followed by stiff acting (for everyone)
It feels almost like the remaining living MRA Old Men are positively anti-intellectual. I know they'd definitely accuse the ones I know of being communist sympathisers or hippies or some other equally Mccarthy-ite era nonsense.
I wonder if I were to start posting "has anyone seen artfldgr/Verlch/Kevin J Biomech/Eli W/Jim Hardiman?" around /n/ and /pol/ would they show up. Ahh, if only I knew where they've all gone... All their blogs are empty, no contact info, etc
False!Something Amyss said:
OH! I almost forgot. My (obviously) all-time favourite Return of Kings article, ever! [http://www.returnofkings.com/35343/the-rise-of-the-brony-and-the-death-of-the-american-man] And not just because of the subject...
But also who wrote it! [http://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/defensive-knives-other-weapons/20099-practical-shortsword-method.html]
Quite literally, the right-wing's answer to Moviebob.
Oh.BloatedGuppy said:
Really? That's it? No castrations? Blimey, I knew that about the plot from the pictures of A woman and A person of most venerable colour running from things exploding in the background.
What vile progressiveness we live in, that the Force may choose to manifest in a post-puberty woman or that a galaxy made of trillions of life forms and a multitude of star systems very different from Sol may produce a dark-skinned lad.
Shame on you, Returning kings. Shame on you.
From what i gather it's for one, that two of the main characters are a woman and a black man. For the other it's basically just some jokes on some filmmaking tropes, like a scene were a man wants to come to the aid of a woman and the woman just deals with the problem herself before he can help.Silverbeard said:
There's really nothing "SJW-agenda" about it. The woman is quite a bit Mary Sue, in that she is just naturally good at everything, but that's more from her being a main character and less from her being some feminist icon or something.
Something Amyss said:
Yes, feminist is an arbitrary term. They claim it means someone who wants equal rights for both sexes but that is what everyone wants. Only a few people actually self identify themselves with the word "feminists" however. A feminist is someone who believes that the majority of people dont want gender equality, meaning that those who do are in a select group who stand opposed the sexist majority. A "feminist hero" is one who fights this perceived sexism by pointing it out and struggling against it. If Rey was a feminist hero, she would proclaim that the major issue with the First Order is that men are brutish, oppressive, and have a need to control the galaxy. She would also point out how even her male comrades, like Finn, are guilty of oppressive misogyny that she must struggle to overcome.Saltyk said:
Rey isn't a "feminist hero" because she isn't a feminist. She doesn't believe that she is oppressed because of her gender or that all men, even the good ones like Finn, are guilty of internalized misogyny.
This is one of the problems, and greatest failures, of the internet. It should have brought us together in understanding, and it has. But it has also allowed others to hide and find like minded idiots while ignoring that which would foster growth and understanding. I'd still say that the internet is a net positive in the long run, but it has negatives. Like allowing bullies new ways to attack people, including those they never would have been able to attack before.BloatedGuppy said:
Admittedly there is truth in this. I will admit that I use the term, but pretty sparingly. I often see people being accused of being SJWs that I wouldn't use the term on (Jim Sterling, Moviebob, and even she who must not be named). No, I see people who do things like send a little girl home over a Wonder Woman lunch box [http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/08/31/wonder-woman-lunchbox_n_8065764.html] as being the type worthy of that label. And even then, I'd probably call them idiots first.BloatedGuppy said:
Watch out, that girl has a lunch box. She might eat lunch out of it in a violent fashion.
I've certainly stopped doing business with certain companies. This isn't done to make a statement, nor do I think I personally hurt the company. Often I just don't like supporting them or they provide bad service or goods and that's my personal reason for avoiding them. McDonald's certainly hasn't complained that I haven't eaten there in over ten years.BloatedGuppy said:Any disgruntled customer can hypothetically cost a business or a product money. You're never going to please everyone. For a mass market product like Star Wars, it becomes a question of identifying what demographics you want to appeal to and which you are prepared to antagonize. If I was Kathleen Kennedy and attempting to figure out who to fashion my new 4 billion dollar IP to appeal to, I'm not sure RoK would be high on my list.THM said:And the claim they cost the film money is ludicrous from any angle, full stop. Even I don't disagree with that.
Nor should they. Even if we take the figure RoK quotes as being accurate, that's a drop in the bucket for this movie. I seriously find all the supposed issues people have with this movie casting a black man and a woman as main characters disturbing. Then again, I already touched on why this sort of nonsense is allowed to fester.
Sorry, buddy, but I'm calling BS on this one. I can't think of a single actual example of this. Especially not an example that wouldn't be done to show a character growing to accept men as not horrible and menacing. The closest I can think of is Wonder Woman and she often shows a respect for men, even if she has things to say about the World of Men.cthulhuspawn82 said:
Creating a character that would likely alienate half the people that could see it sounds like bad business anyway. Rey is a hero that happens to be female. Finn is a hero that happens to be black. Why is this sort of thing even worth bringing up?
It did strike me as a very diverse film, but ya know, I can't imagine it cost Disney any money. If you remotely liked Star Wars, you saw that film.
Assuming this is true, I feel like Disney is easily going ot make that money in toy sales. Though yea, 4.2M against a worldwide 1+B is nothing.
Extended across our readership, with over 900,000 users accessing ROK between November 21 and December 21, this amounts to a potential direct impact of $4,219,456.54 (55% x $8.38 x 915,482) on total revenues. $8.38 is based on the average cinema ticket price in the US, which is now an all-time high.
<url=http://www.returnofkings.com/76356/star-wars-lost-4-2-million-because-of-our-reporting-that-identified-it-as-sjw-propaganda?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter>Source
Of course really they're being conservative, because in their words
This figure does not include those men who haven?t visited in the past month but know to stay clear away from Hollywood propaganda films thanks to our previous reporting.
and of course lets not forget they'll be costing Disney more money in the long run
The $4.2 million estimate also does not include future sales that will be surely lost from Star Wars DVD?s, collectibles, and other promotional tie-ins.
So clearly ROK is in this for the long game.
Looking into the article the post sites, this is their mathDrownedAmmet said:
Extended across our readership, with over 900,000 users accessing ROK between November 21 and December 21, this amounts to a potential direct impact of $4,219,456.54 (55% x $8.38 x 915,482) on total revenues. $8.38 is based on the average cinema ticket price in the US, which is now an all-time high.
<url=http://www.returnofkings.com/76356/star-wars-lost-4-2-million-because-of-our-reporting-that-identified-it-as-sjw-propaganda?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter>Source
Of course really they're being conservative, because in their words
This figure does not include those men who haven?t visited in the past month but know to stay clear away from Hollywood propaganda films thanks to our previous reporting.
and of course lets not forget they'll be costing Disney more money in the long run
The $4.2 million estimate also does not include future sales that will be surely lost from Star Wars DVD?s, collectibles, and other promotional tie-ins.
So clearly ROK is in this for the long game.
Return of the King was a pretty good movie (the hobbit theme always makes me tear up) but I don't see why they should be so gleeful over costing Star Wars a bit of money. I didn't think they were really in direct competition, being different genres and all.
All I can think to say here is that I love how ridiculous the "Anti-SJW" movement has become in that any work of fiction that acknowledges that women and ethnicities other than White actually exist is immediately labelled "SJW propaganda". Makes for entertaining reads like this.
Yeah, tell me about it. My favorite article by them so far is this http://www.returnofkings.com/76238/3-ways-to-keep-your-woman-from-cheatingBlinktv said:
It's about as tactful and respectful of women as you can imagine.
(read the title)The Jovian said:
I'm not reading that. No one should give these people clicks they are insane. even if it wasn't disrespectful towards woman it still spreads paranoia and distrusted to relationships. your significant other is not a dog that you should hit with a rolled up newspaper when you think they're doing something wrong
Wise choice my friend, because this article reads like it was written by an alien who got his idea on human sexual relationships from XBOX Live and Ayn Rand, it's THAT bad. But it gets even better because the author of the article Donovan Sharpe describes himself as, and I quote:tf2godz said:
And just because I hate my sanity I checked his Twitter and, yes he does live up to his own description.
And anyone who still defends this website in any way just needs to go over here (my SECOND favorite article) to be proven wrong: http://www.returnofkings.com/75203/why-homosexual-marriage-matters-for-straight-men
It is 50% hilariously stupid, 50% existentially horrifying and 100% indefensible by anyone with a soul.
ROK may not be a MRA website but it sucks all the same, it tries so desperately to give evidence for SJW conspiracies that it's completely pathetic. They're distorting facts, they're quote mining, they're making gross misinterpretations, all to push their agenda at the expense of reality, in other words no better than their enemies.
I just... WOW. fuck these people. I think I found the most disgusting people on the Internet. At least I can see the point MRA or SJW but these fucker can burn in hell all I care.The Jovian said:
I'm pretty sure Finn will get his time to shine in the upcoming episodes, he seemed like the audience surrogate in this film.THM said:
As for Rey, I can see how she could be regarded as a Mary Sue but she doesn't really do anything in The Force Awakens that Luke Skywalker didn't do in A New Hope. Her being adept at engineering, scavenging and basic combat seems credible seeing as she's grown up on her own on a junkyard planet. The most unbelievable thing about her is how well she's maintained her physical appearance and hygiene (but hey, that's true for pretty much any movie).
Her Force abilities were at best on par with Luke's (who was able to single-handedly destroy the Death Star with it). And her lightsaber skills weren't amazing, but competent (and it was shown earlier that she was experienced with melee combat). Kylo Ren may seem like the "big boss" of the film, but he's really an inexperienced and conflicted semi-villain. Snoke and General Hux are far more malevolent and resourceful than he is.
I wish that were the case, but MGTOWs go a few steps further by insisting that women are conspiring against men and exist only to steal their money in a divorce. I can see why a guy being screwed over by his ex would refrain from future relationships, but when they accuse all women of being one thing or another that's just madness. It's like with feminists, it's fine if you are hesitant around men because of past experiences but when you go on to insist that all men are terrible then as far as I'm concerned, you're the terrible one.Corey Schaff said:
But yeah, MGTOWs are crazy conspiracy theorists. It's downright absurd, they sometimes go as far as to say that vaginas have mind-controlling properties.
When you consider Blu-Ray, digital sales, toys and all merchandising, this film alone in the trilogy will make billions. Even assuming ROK are not a bunch of lying bitches, $4.2 million is what Disney wipes their ass with. They bought Star wars from Lucas for about a thousand times that much, outright.
The other major problem they (like their feminist brethren) have is that hooting dickholes, political extremists and deeply sexist shitheads keep hijacking their respective causes, usually to then detriment of meaningful dialogue with each other or legitimate bodies of law and government.undeadsuitor said:
There's meaningful work to be done by such groups, men's mental and physical health is one area we need some great strides in. And pissants like this are gloating about taking a stand by not seeing Star Wars. Fuck these wankers.