The humour attempts were pretty piss poor more often than not, I'll have to agree.steeltrain said:
Revenge of the Fallen Makes $200 Million
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I'm sorry but this movie is terrible. Any writer who kills off main characters just to bring them back to life in the last 5%~ of the movie has no respect for the the intelligence of the audience. It is just shitty writing and shitty storytelling. Seriously? Death is just a minor inconvenience for protagonists; simply to delay the inevitable end? I know in storytelling it's common for the protagonists to have to overcome some major hurdle or obstacle before they can finish what they set out to accomplish, but death?
I know its a giant robot that could "technically" be rebuilt, but they left Jax dead in the first movie without rebuilding him, it is my assumption that 'Grasshopper Disassemble' means giant robots are fucked in this regard. They could have just as easily killed off a lesser good transformer, and left them dead. While not the shock impact of killing off a main protagonist, it would make up for it in the finality of what happened.
Que Futurama, "Oh no, Ziodberg ate Fry, Fry's dead! It's ok, I had another guy! YAY!" Only Futurama was funny, and it was an episode about video games being real life. 'Anthology of Interest 2'. X-men 3 did it, and you wonder why that movie was so absolutely shitty compared to the first two. Well X-men 3 was worse because at the end of the movie, it basically said, "Anything that happened in the movie didn't really matter."
Would a movie like 'Saving Private Ryan' been as powerful as a movie if any of those allied soldiers (especially Tom Hanks) just magicked back to life? Death is suppose to have an impact of finality, when you lost one of the allied men that was looking for Ryan you lost a part of yourself with it. When an old Ryan asks his wife, "Please tell me I've lead a good life, that I was a good man." You can feel in ONE sentence all the hope and fear of who he was as a person, and his internal conflict of if he was worth what one man sacrificed for another. This is only one example of good storytelling and a movie with special effects and explosions, it can be done.
But I guess I'm part of the minority who thought entertainment should contain a shred of value, based on the $200 million.
Edit: This is only one aspect with which I have issue, and have limited myself to just this one for the sake of brevity.
I know its a giant robot that could "technically" be rebuilt, but they left Jax dead in the first movie without rebuilding him, it is my assumption that 'Grasshopper Disassemble' means giant robots are fucked in this regard. They could have just as easily killed off a lesser good transformer, and left them dead. While not the shock impact of killing off a main protagonist, it would make up for it in the finality of what happened.
Que Futurama, "Oh no, Ziodberg ate Fry, Fry's dead! It's ok, I had another guy! YAY!" Only Futurama was funny, and it was an episode about video games being real life. 'Anthology of Interest 2'. X-men 3 did it, and you wonder why that movie was so absolutely shitty compared to the first two. Well X-men 3 was worse because at the end of the movie, it basically said, "Anything that happened in the movie didn't really matter."
Would a movie like 'Saving Private Ryan' been as powerful as a movie if any of those allied soldiers (especially Tom Hanks) just magicked back to life? Death is suppose to have an impact of finality, when you lost one of the allied men that was looking for Ryan you lost a part of yourself with it. When an old Ryan asks his wife, "Please tell me I've lead a good life, that I was a good man." You can feel in ONE sentence all the hope and fear of who he was as a person, and his internal conflict of if he was worth what one man sacrificed for another. This is only one example of good storytelling and a movie with special effects and explosions, it can be done.
But I guess I'm part of the minority who thought entertainment should contain a shred of value, based on the $200 million.
Edit: This is only one aspect with which I have issue, and have limited myself to just this one for the sake of brevity.
Seriously, if you go to see a film based on something you love, don't expect it to live up to your expectations.
Me? I expected fighting robots and explosions, and something i could enjoy pointing out the plot holes with my friends. My money was well spent.
Me? I expected fighting robots and explosions, and something i could enjoy pointing out the plot holes with my friends. My money was well spent.
Yeah, well the second matrix movie was brilliant but the third... was euck.Darth Sea Bass said:
Keane, how could you! *cries in a corner* We could have been brothers! Ani-Keane, I have the high ground!Keane Ng said:
Fantasia is a masterpiece, Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen is cinematic plastic explosives with a picture of Optimus Prime taped to it. It's not about childhoods being raped, it's about cinematic techniques being abused (take that as you will). Please do not compare Transformers 2 to FANTASIA of all things just because it has minimal plot structure. Fantasia was innovative because it brought new life to classical music pieces, Transformers as presented by Michael Bay is only bringing new life to mindless consumerism.
You're not a bad person Keane, I know there's good in you, the dark side hasn't completely taken you... it's just that you like this one movie which I don't care for as a remake franchise at all. I bet there's people out there who don't like Andrew Lloyd Webber, or Harvest Moon games.
Apparently despite the horrific reviews there's still quite the fan base out there for what Michael Bay has crafted. Now, I actually slightly enjoyed the first one (it being a good Boom-Boom flick for when you just want to see CGI) so I'll probably see it at least once. Not in the theatre though, $201 million is just fine for them as far as I'm concerned with out adding my own $9 to their pockets. Probably just $3 to rent it or something.
See, when I use the word 'people' I use it to group the general human population that I deem to be between the ranges retarded to stupid in mental capacity, such as yourself. I assume you think this piece of shit is of quality which is quite sad. The only redeeming things about the movie are megan fox and the visuals. They seem to have forgotten about the first movie, which was already mediocre, in this new shittier version. I would rather watch Manos: The hands of fate than this piece of crap again.Eldritch Warlord said:
Honestly, you are going to try to have an argument on the definition of the word 'People'? Really? Look up the contexts of which the word can be applied. Then grow some balls and use the word 'Fuck', not this pussy word frack.
I bet I could show you a plate of dog shit and a plate of gold and you would see two things of equal value. Then you would try to eat the dog shit.
Movies and games with bad storylines and pointless/useless characters need to stop being made and you people(retards like warlord here) need to stop feeding them your cash. The difference is that I realize my mistake and won't make it again. This is really what is plaguing every entertainment medium. There is zero thought, just visuals. You can see this in most video games as well. Fantastic graphics, shit characters, storyline, and writing.
The fights in this thread are as entertaining as Transformers:ROFL.
anybody that has any education/experience in the entertainment industry, and with movies in particular, will tell you that Transformers is a terrible movie. That is not, however, to say that it is not entertaining, as can be demonstrated by Mr. Ng here:
The movie has a VERY generic plot, has over an hour of paddig that doesn't advance the plot or contain any of the action that is the primary (secondary, to Meagan Fox?) reason to see the movie, uses extreme stereotypes to the point of offence, gives characters the ability to do whatever is plot convenient without justification, and in many other way is a prime example of what not to do in a movie.
It aslo has Meagan Fox and lots of action, which many people enjoy.
Movie reviewers pay attention to things in movies that most moviegoers don't, so bad reviews doesn't mean you won't enjoy the movie. Personally, I was bored by the time the action became that main focus of the movie, so I didn't really enjoy it that much. I also got bored of the toilet humor after the first few jokes, so in all, I didn't like the movie because it didn't hold my attention, but that's just me.
anybody that has any education/experience in the entertainment industry, and with movies in particular, will tell you that Transformers is a terrible movie. That is not, however, to say that it is not entertaining, as can be demonstrated by Mr. Ng here:
Liking the movie isn't some crime against humanity, or a sign that you are brain damaged, it just says that you enjoyed the movie.Keane Ng said:
The movie has a VERY generic plot, has over an hour of paddig that doesn't advance the plot or contain any of the action that is the primary (secondary, to Meagan Fox?) reason to see the movie, uses extreme stereotypes to the point of offence, gives characters the ability to do whatever is plot convenient without justification, and in many other way is a prime example of what not to do in a movie.
It aslo has Meagan Fox and lots of action, which many people enjoy.
Movie reviewers pay attention to things in movies that most moviegoers don't, so bad reviews doesn't mean you won't enjoy the movie. Personally, I was bored by the time the action became that main focus of the movie, so I didn't really enjoy it that much. I also got bored of the toilet humor after the first few jokes, so in all, I didn't like the movie because it didn't hold my attention, but that's just me.
Congratulations America for continuing to lower expecations of quality in film. You have proven that if it's big enough, dumb enough and shiny enough you will flock to it like mad.
Actually, that would be nice. Maybe even a slice of cake?nilcypher said:
Well, Shia was obviouslyEldritch Warlord said:
dead until he had the whole "vision" sequence, after which he miraculously "came back from the dead."
Oh I didn't mean to liken Fantasia to Transformers in any thematic sense - I know that they're totally opposed in pretty much every way, especially in their artistic intent as you pointed out - I just meant to say that the experience of watching both, in that they're easily appreciated as visual/aural experiences rather than as "movie" movies. My implication was that going into Transformers looking for storytelling is the same as doing that for Fantasia - it's misguided to begin with.NewGeekPhilosopher said:
Yellow Submarine is probably a more apt comparison. I was going to say 2046 or In the Mood for Love or any Wong Kar-Wai movie instead of Fantasia, but I don't know if anyone would be familiar with his films around here.
Crap... I'm now sorry that I paid money to go see this... It wasn't even a good movie and I've never heard of a movie that was this bad doing so well.
Also, this is an example of a person who liked this movie.
2: If it wasn't dull, what do you call the shitty relationship drama that took up half of what was supposed to be a robot movie?
3: This is just proof that this movie isn't for the intelligent.
Oh wait, this one is even better:
Also, this is an example of a person who liked this movie.
1: Just because a movie did well doesn't mean that it was good
2: If it wasn't dull, what do you call the shitty relationship drama that took up half of what was supposed to be a robot movie?
3: This is just proof that this movie isn't for the intelligent.
Oh wait, this one is even better:
MY NIPPLES, THEY HURT WHEN I TWIST THEM!bad rider said:
I was considering seeing this movie with my free movie pass, but I might not now with all the bad rap.
I refused to see the first one on the basis that it was a fucking Transformers film, which is lame, and I finally saw it this year because we watched it in school. It wasn't as bad as I expected.
The Megan Fox people are really fucking annoying though.
Dearie me, this has raised quite the kefuffle, hasn't it?
The movie itself wasn't a crime against nature, it was just singularly unimpressive from a artistic standpoint. I think some of you in your fervour might be taking this a touch too seriously. So, why so serious?
The movie itself wasn't a crime against nature, it was just singularly unimpressive from a artistic standpoint. I think some of you in your fervour might be taking this a touch too seriously. So, why so serious?
The difference between the Internet and Real Life.
In real life, this discussion would go as follows:
#1: "I saw Transformers last night. It was pretty good. I didn't think it was as good as the first one, and it was kind of long."
#2: "Really? I thought it was better than the first. The action sequences were great."
#3: "Horrible movie. The robot balls were way too much."
On the Internet, the discussion goes as follows:
#1: "OMFG BEST MOVIE EVAR!"
#2: "This movie was a disgrace to all things sacred. The most complete piece of garbage ever crafted. I am intellectually superior to anyone who found any entertainment out of this movie."
#3: [insert random whine about some trivial difference between the cartoon and the movie]
#4: "Undeniable proof that America is full of imbeciles."
In real life, this discussion would go as follows:
#1: "I saw Transformers last night. It was pretty good. I didn't think it was as good as the first one, and it was kind of long."
#2: "Really? I thought it was better than the first. The action sequences were great."
#3: "Horrible movie. The robot balls were way too much."
On the Internet, the discussion goes as follows:
#1: "OMFG BEST MOVIE EVAR!"
#2: "This movie was a disgrace to all things sacred. The most complete piece of garbage ever crafted. I am intellectually superior to anyone who found any entertainment out of this movie."
#3: [insert random whine about some trivial difference between the cartoon and the movie]
#4: "Undeniable proof that America is full of imbeciles."
I honestly didn't think it was too bad, but there are a few things I didn't like...but picking them out would result in me creating a rant.