Review: StarCraft II

[John Funk]

...How did you not manage to harvest all the resources within 30 mins?? How can you find the time to adapt your army when it takes mere seconds for your existing forces to be wiped out?

Because A.) harass makes economy go slower, and neither of us could get a foothold in the center of the map, and B.) we actually know how to retreat, maybe? I mean, nobody says you need to get obliterated. You can always run away and salvage what's left.

And you build NEW things, too, by seeing what the enemy built.

 

[Arisato-kun]

Im noticing a trend here. Why do all the Blizzard fanboys have the social wonder of anime avatars? Maybe you like the game because you are so desperate to be Korean?
And just to add, why did you all stop playing StarCraft? Because it was dated? Thus rehashing a dated game still makes it dated, but then it is apparent most of you have not played a modern game or any game for that matter after 2002.

Haha barring the fact that anime's from Japan I was waiting for someone to call us all on being weeaboos for liking SC2.

We stopped playing Starcraft because the vast majority migrated to the new game that advanced the story. Generally people tend to do that y'know? Move onto sequels after they come out. Like how people moved from Dawn of War to Dawn of War 2 and Warcraft II to Warcraft III?

Also he yet again chooses to ignore all of the people that have played RTS's that came after Starcraft and still prefer SC2 because it is detrimental to his argument.

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

Cons:simple story, more simple than you would think level design(WC3 had more interesting maps,the AI just could not use them worth a fudge),difficulty is tied to speed this is stupid they are separate things. The AI is not as evil as it was in WC2 and SC.

Pros:Its SC2,refined polished story(well what there is of it), the ending is a bit annoying,Game play itself is smooth and looks great.

Final thoughts
Doubters should Zerg rush with the static cats they will eat thought anything but air units!
plus its freaking fun!!

 

[ecoho]

- Congratulations you found one long pro match. Are you still flogging this horse and going to claim the average pro match is 15+ mins?

Just holy shit, man.
What the hell is the point in arguing with you when you ignore everything I say and make counter-argument against something I never even said?

- You said people like SC2 because it's like SC1. In this day and age why do people still like SC1?

Are you fucking serious?
Again? Seriously?
I'm just gonna stop now.
This is getting too stupid.

Well you haven't said why. Considering you can only select up to 12 men at once etc. Oh that's right, Amazonian and his B&W TV again.

ok man please tell me your talking about starcraft 1 because if not you have officaly become the same thing infidel is a guy who doesnt get his facts straight.

 

[ecoho]

...How did you not manage to harvest all the resources within 30 mins?? How can you find the time to adapt your army when it takes mere seconds for your existing forces to be wiped out?

Because A.) harass makes economy go slower, and neither of us could get a foothold in the center of the map, and B.) we actually know how to retreat, maybe? I mean, nobody says you need to get obliterated. You can always run away and salvage what's left.

And you build NEW things, too, by seeing what the enemy built.

i just want to say this man your match when realy fast for an evenly matched game i had one go on for 2 hours and only ended when we both just sent everything we had at each other and it became a battle of lag. BTW whats your favoret race to multi as?

 

[Mikester1290]

I thought that simple LAN was a very simple addition to a multiplayer game, Worms has it, BF2 has it, many online games do. I don't use it very often myself, I have a fast internet connection, but it's VERY nice to have when your internet goes tits up, or for example if you live somewhere that has a very poor internet conection or even none at all.

It deprives people who have limited resources, by limiting them even further, and it seems unfair to me. I would say it's unfair to troll on people who don't like the fact that it doesn't have LAN, and accuse them of approaching the "trolling" personality themselves, comments like these should be allowed.

From my own perspective it seems a shame that they couldn't add the simple function to the game, many other companys add it in, but in this game they do not, sometimes at the cost of not gaining achievments for obvious reasons.

It does suck. So when someone says so, get over it.

 

[ecoho]

I thought that simple LAN was a very simple addition to a multiplayer game, Worms has it, BF2 has it, many online games do. I don't use it very often myself, I have a fast internet connection, but it's VERY nice to have when your internet goes tits up, or for example if you live somewhere that has a very poor internet conection or even none at all.

It deprives people who have limited resources, by limiting them even further, and it seems unfair to me. I would say it's unfair to troll on people who don't like the fact that it doesn't have LAN, and accuse them of approaching the "trolling" personality themselves, comments like these should be allowed.

From my own perspective it seems a shame that they couldn't add the simple function to the game, many other companys add it in, but in this game they do not, sometimes at the cost of not gaining achievments for obvious reasons.

It does suck. So when someone says so, get over it.

OMG realy your still bitching about LAN?! trust me man all the bitching in the world wont make them add lan to the game, and by saying the game sucks just because it doesnt have LAN officaly makes you worse then infidel witch is realy sad........

 

[TazTheTerrible]

Personal thoughts:

Fun gameplay: what I liked about the original SC made better. They could've gone for something completely new and different, but you know, I happened to like SC and this added a whole bunch of improvements.

Decent graphics, though I dislike some of the design choices, especially in the terrans and some of the protoss.

Lovely music, overall high standards.

Good narrative, the story told through several ways, playing neatly into the different missions.

Story itself: Godawful. Seriously, expected way way better. Dei ex machina, cheap plot devices, inconsistent characters, plot holes, clichés, you name it. A damn shame considering how good things like the voice acting and music are. All that work deserved a far better story.

Gameplay makes up for it though. Overall, positive recommendation.

 

[Taern]

Best game ever, and sequel to my first game ever. Game of the decade, though it does have it's flaws.

 

[Excludos]

I thought that simple LAN was a very simple addition to a multiplayer game, Worms has it, BF2 has it, many online games do. I don't use it very often myself, I have a fast internet connection, but it's VERY nice to have when your internet goes tits up, or for example if you live somewhere that has a very poor internet conection or even none at all.

It deprives people who have limited resources, by limiting them even further, and it seems unfair to me. I would say it's unfair to troll on people who don't like the fact that it doesn't have LAN, and accuse them of approaching the "trolling" personality themselves, comments like these should be allowed.

From my own perspective it seems a shame that they couldn't add the simple function to the game, many other companys add it in, but in this game they do not, sometimes at the cost of not gaining achievments for obvious reasons.

It does suck. So when someone says so, get over it.

OMG realy your still bitching about LAN?! trust me man all the bitching in the world wont make them add lan to the game, and by saying the game sucks just because it doesnt have LAN officaly makes you worse then infidel witch is realy sad........

Actually, they're adding lan This is not a trollpost. Blizzard has stated that they will be adding lan at a later time (they have not stated how or when). They also stated that they will implement crossrealm gaming and chatrooms (which is the two other things people ***** about)

 

[Jimbo1212]

Im noticing a trend here. Why do all the Blizzard fanboys have the social wonder of anime avatars? Maybe you like the game because you are so desperate to be Korean?
And just to add, why did you all stop playing StarCraft? Because it was dated? Thus rehashing a dated game still makes it dated, but then it is apparent most of you have not played a modern game or any game for that matter after 2002.

Haha barring the fact that anime's from Japan I was waiting for someone to call us all on being weeaboos for liking SC2.

We stopped playing Starcraft because the vast majority migrated to the new game that advanced the story. Generally people tend to do that y'know? Move onto sequels after they come out. Like how people moved from Dawn of War to Dawn of War 2 and Warcraft II to Warcraft III?

Also he yet again chooses to ignore all of the people that have played RTS's that came after Starcraft and still prefer SC2 because it is detrimental to his argument.

So you are telling me that 6 months ago you were playing StarCraft over modern RTS's?
Everyone who has said they have played other RTS's have not said why StarCraft 2 is better, just that they have played the other RTS's, and most likely just played the demo.
Either way, StarCraft 2 does nothing new and due to that I find it very boring as I have done all of it before and played games which have done parts better.
So yet again, I find myself wondering why a rehash is being given 5/5 when RTS's fans have seen all of this done years ago and playing the same game reskinned is not fun but tedious and mildly annoying.

 

[ecoho]

I thought that simple LAN was a very simple addition to a multiplayer game, Worms has it, BF2 has it, many online games do. I don't use it very often myself, I have a fast internet connection, but it's VERY nice to have when your internet goes tits up, or for example if you live somewhere that has a very poor internet conection or even none at all.

It deprives people who have limited resources, by limiting them even further, and it seems unfair to me. I would say it's unfair to troll on people who don't like the fact that it doesn't have LAN, and accuse them of approaching the "trolling" personality themselves, comments like these should be allowed.

From my own perspective it seems a shame that they couldn't add the simple function to the game, many other companys add it in, but in this game they do not, sometimes at the cost of not gaining achievments for obvious reasons.

It does suck. So when someone says so, get over it.

OMG realy your still bitching about LAN?! trust me man all the bitching in the world wont make them add lan to the game, and by saying the game sucks just because it doesnt have LAN officaly makes you worse then infidel witch is realy sad........

Actually, they're adding lan This is not a trollpost. Blizzard has stated that they will be adding lan at a later time (they have not stated how or when). They also stated that they will implement crossrealm gaming and chatrooms (which is the two other things people ***** about)

probily with the next expantion but thats just gonna drive the cost up again......

 

[Arisato-kun]

Im noticing a trend here. Why do all the Blizzard fanboys have the social wonder of anime avatars? Maybe you like the game because you are so desperate to be Korean?
And just to add, why did you all stop playing StarCraft? Because it was dated? Thus rehashing a dated game still makes it dated, but then it is apparent most of you have not played a modern game or any game for that matter after 2002.

Haha barring the fact that anime's from Japan I was waiting for someone to call us all on being weeaboos for liking SC2.

We stopped playing Starcraft because the vast majority migrated to the new game that advanced the story. Generally people tend to do that y'know? Move onto sequels after they come out. Like how people moved from Dawn of War to Dawn of War 2 and Warcraft II to Warcraft III?

Also he yet again chooses to ignore all of the people that have played RTS's that came after Starcraft and still prefer SC2 because it is detrimental to his argument.

So you are telling me that 6 months ago you were playing StarCraft over modern RTS's?
Everyone who has said they have played other RTS's have not said why StarCraft 2 is better, just that they have played the other RTS's, and most likely just played the demo.
Either way, StarCraft 2 does nothing new and due to that I find it very boring as I have done all of it before and played games which have done parts better.
So yet again, I find myself wondering why a rehash is being given 5/5 when RTS's fans have seen all of this done years ago and playing the same game reskinned is not fun but tedious and mildly annoying.

Yes. Yes I was.

I don't need all those bells and whistles and shit. Starcraft has a formula that isn't broken, so why try to change it? All it would do is upset those that love the first game. Starcraft 2 takes the core formula and refines it so it works exceedingly well.

The fact that Blizzard chose to stick to this formula and that so many people that have played other RTS's still find Starcraft 2 incredible is a testament to that. You can find it as tedious and annoying as you want but just because something tries to innovate doesn't make it automatically better. Starcraft 2 is a refined experience that both hardcore RTS fans and those new to the genre can enjoy. That's what makes it a great game. Blizzard tried to both cater to the fans and create an easy to play yet hard to master game. They succeeded at what they were trying to do.

We get it. You don't like it. So why play it? Play all those other games you find so much better and leave those of us that are genuinely having fun alone. All you're doing is making yourself sound like an elitist prick. Then again maybe you're trying to do that and have succeeded as well.

 

[ecoho]

Im noticing a trend here. Why do all the Blizzard fanboys have the social wonder of anime avatars? Maybe you like the game because you are so desperate to be Korean?
And just to add, why did you all stop playing StarCraft? Because it was dated? Thus rehashing a dated game still makes it dated, but then it is apparent most of you have not played a modern game or any game for that matter after 2002.

Haha barring the fact that anime's from Japan I was waiting for someone to call us all on being weeaboos for liking SC2.

We stopped playing Starcraft because the vast majority migrated to the new game that advanced the story. Generally people tend to do that y'know? Move onto sequels after they come out. Like how people moved from Dawn of War to Dawn of War 2 and Warcraft II to Warcraft III?

Also he yet again chooses to ignore all of the people that have played RTS's that came after Starcraft and still prefer SC2 because it is detrimental to his argument.

So you are telling me that 6 months ago you were playing StarCraft over modern RTS's?
Everyone who has said they have played other RTS's have not said why StarCraft 2 is better, just that they have played the other RTS's, and most likely just played the demo.
Either way, StarCraft 2 does nothing new and due to that I find it very boring as I have done all of it before and played games which have done parts better.
So yet again, I find myself wondering why a rehash is being given 5/5 when RTS's fans have seen all of this done years ago and playing the same game reskinned is not fun but tedious and mildly annoying.

how are you still posting while banned? As to your latest post you have proven yourself to be an idiot if you think any RTS game thats came out in the last 3 years is any better then starcraft 2 your easily blinded by shiny things. Most of the games you have used as comparesons have no skill to playing them (save SOSE but come on that game takes hours to play right) were as starcraft 2 does and dont you make one more comparison to the AI try playing a person for once. OH but wait then youed actualy have to think instead of mass army crush! you sir are a troll and an idiot and as such you dont deserve your copy of starcraft 2 if you even own the game and not just a demo.

 

[ecoho]

- Congratulations you found one long pro match. Are you still flogging this horse and going to claim the average pro match is 15+ mins?

Just holy shit, man.
What the hell is the point in arguing with you when you ignore everything I say and make counter-argument against something I never even said?

- You said people like SC2 because it's like SC1. In this day and age why do people still like SC1?

Are you fucking serious?
Again? Seriously?
I'm just gonna stop now.
This is getting too stupid.

Well you haven't said why. Considering you can only select up to 12 men at once etc. Oh that's right, Amazonian and his B&W TV again.

ok man please tell me your talking about starcraft 1 because if not you have officaly become the same thing infidel is a guy who doesnt get his facts straight.

Nah like in starcraftz 2 yoo can only like chose twelve men at once like, cuz like it's old. Like.
Yeah I was talking about the original, which is a poopoo stick when compared to the last decade of RTS'.

I guess I can understand where you're coming from, but here's the problem. Just because you find fault in the game doesn't mean it doesn't deserve the praise it's getting. Reviews are and always have been subjective personal opinions so if the game is being highly praised by most of the reviews, then most of the reviewers genuinely love the game.

If you want to look at it objectively, Starcraft 2 does have dated gameplay mechanics and slightly above average graphics, but what I think you and Infidel need to understand is that neither of those are faults to the people reviewing the game. It's exactly what they wanted, it's exactly what I was looking for, therefore the game DOES deserve the praise.

So you don't think a reviewer should try to be as objective as possible? I thought a review should have some level of quality control rather than just being weighted on the reviewers personal preferences.
For example I hate Ratchet and Clank, but I can tell that for it's genre, it's a good game. Does that mean I should wail on it because it's not what I wanted? On the flip-side of things, I can say that SC2 does the job of an RTS, but it isn't anything outstanding and surely therefore it shouldn't get all the praise it has. I mean, did you not say the game is pretty much just fan service? That doesn't by default make the game bad, but surely that's going to hinder it as it's not going to push any boundaries meaning what you get is essentially a modern rehash. I can't really see how anyone could argue that a nostalgic rehash is worth 5/5 to anyone who isn't a fan of the series, and a review should be for joe average, not a specific bunch of fans.

ok man first off and it realy hurts me to say this i agree with you on starcraft 1 it didnt look good and i realy didnt like the multi or sigle player for the origenal. that being said i was 10 when it came out and since then ive come to love the naritive still dont like the first game but starcraft 2 is a much better game then some of the crap thats been throwen out recently. Oh and before infidel goes you havent played rts game other then demos again i own C&C the first decade, rise of nations+its expantion, all of the age of empire games, and one of my favoret old game populous if you dont know what that is look it up.

 

[ecoho]

ok man first off and it realy hurts me to say this i agree with you on starcraft 1 it didnt look good and i realy didnt like the multi or sigle player for the origenal. that being said i was 10 when it came out and since then ive come to love the naritive still dont like the first game but starcraft 2 is a much better game then some of the crap thats been throwen out recently. Oh and before infidel goes you havent played rts game other then demos again i own C&C the first decade, rise of nations+its expantion, all of the age of empire games, and one of my favoret old game populous if you dont know what that is look it up.

Try Dawn of War. It's dirt cheap now and a very solid RTS.
But yeah, SC1 was good & revolutionary for the time, but it's been over a decade since it, and there certainly hasn't been a vast amount of improvements which is my main gripe with it and yet the media buzz off it as if its the best RTS ever, which it certainly isn't.

i hate DOW man owned it hated it gave it away as a present. now i do truly love starcraft 2 this is my 4th playthrough of the campain and its still good in my opinoin. as to reveiwers remember they have to judge a game by all its factors not just one thing and i think the guy from Zero puctuation got the right of it all reveiws are and always will be biased because each person has their likes and dislikes go buy what you like and dam what anyone else thinks.

oh and BTW the reason there was so much buzz about it was it took 12 years to come out mostly do to the mergeing of blizz and activison and the release of WOW and its expantions.

 

[mike1921]

Im noticing a trend here. Why do all the Blizzard fanboys have the social wonder of anime avatars? Maybe you like the game because you are so desperate to be Korean?

JeanLuc761 just really wants to be seth mcfarlene.

 

[Comic Sans]

I am quite calm. However, all your examples on tactics and game play have come from AI skirmishes. I'm simply telling you it's not nearly the same thing, and that you need to stop discussing aspects of it because you've proven time and time again you don't understand how the game works.

I am going to step in and disagree with you on this point.
The AI is nothing but retarded, and most players are not much better, or sometimes worse then the AI. A problem from beta was Terran players turtling and then proceeding to BC gank. If the player expands at an expectable rate, then most units can not stop a BC rush seeing that most of the AA units are not cost effective against the BC, especially seeing that the yamato cannon can cripple most units in one shot.
But then what do we expect when an entire campaign has been made for just one race? Oh that is right, 5/5 or 100% ratings for having a broken multiplayer...

Wait what? A BC rush? I'm not quote sure you grasp how expensive BCs and their upgrades are. You need a barracks, a factory, a starport with a tech lab, and a fusion core before you can even start building the things, and you will need more than one starport and tech lab if you plan to go straight air. They are one of the most expensive units in the game. They have a huge build time, and require two upgrades to both be able to Yamato and do so as soon as they are built, otherwise they have to wait a while. If you seriously think you can BC rush somehow, I doubt you played past the placement matches, if at all. Any semi-competent player would have scouted it out well in advance, and harassed the living crap out of you, if not beaten you entirely. Turtling and straight teching does NOT work. The fact that you called the multi "broken" invalidates any other post on strategy you make from here on out.