Right Wing or Left Wing?

[seryoga]

i agree with the guy who posted this. Socialism is best but it has to be a slow process

 

[Mad Maniac with axe-firing chainsaw]

I'm not sure. On one hand, I believe that you need capitalism to drive wealth, motivation and inspiration as well as independence and individuality. On the other hand, socialism is required to catch people who through hard times, personal weakness or just plain bad luck would slip through the cracks of society into total ruin otherwise. However, the system needs to be geared into getting these people back up on their feet as fast as is possible. It should be around to help unfortunate or weak individuals, but it shouldn't encourage reliance on socialist mechanisms.

I suppose I'm a centrist. I support a society geared towards capitalism but with enough well made socialist policies to prevent people from falling destitute when times get desperate.

 

[Federalist92]

I'm not sure. On one hand, I believe that you need capitalism to drive wealth, motivation and inspiration as well as independence and individuality. On the other hand, socialism is required to catch people who through hard times, personal weakness or just plain bad luck would slip through the cracks of society into total ruin otherwise. However, the system needs to be geared into getting these people back up on their feet as fast as is possible. It should be around to help unfortunate or weak individuals, but it shouldn't encourage reliance on socialist mechanisms.

I suppose I'm a centrist. I support a society geared towards capitalism but with enough well made socialist policies to prevent people from falling destitute when times get desperate.

So you propose a Brit stance. A sort of bit of both worlds. Like free health care and Education.
Which Obama wants the US to have.

 

[saintchristopher]

Do we have to subscribe to one ideology and identify ourselves completely by that label? The human mind is a complicated machine; you shouldn't be able to boil it down is such a black-and-white fashion. No matter what Glenn Back thinks.

 

[BarkBark]

This is the internet, a world
where the left are dominant.

But personally I find a linear
spectrum too basic to fully
describe my political stance.

 

[seryoga]

the brits are too greedy to have socialist policies we had to fight to get rid of them and the irish still are (up the IRA)

 

[Merteg]

How does that make no sense?

I'm a liberal democrat, which is left wing. I live in America, maybe your talking about European political stances?

All i know that in europe its Capitalists on the right, along with conservatives, and monachy style things.
and on the left theres Socialism, communism and soviet style things

Well, we Liberal in America hate conservatives and the idea of monarchy, but we like capitalism.

 

[Nmil-ek]

Firmly left, socialist working class and fucking proud of it I have seriously had enough of rich old men fucking us over, laying off hundreds so they can ride out the recession on boats of money. However I am not attached to the current politicly correct image of the left nor do I have any faith in our current politicians anyone who runs for government should be fully educated in economics and international customs/affairs.

 

[Federalist92]

This is the internet, a world
where the left are dominant.

But personally I find a linear
spectrum too basic to fully
describe my political stance.

Is the left REALLY dominent.
Think about it. Even on the escapist where we believe we can all have a nice conversation on equal grounds, theres always moderators who can kick you out.
Think about that.

note: i'm not insulting moderators if there are any moderators here

 

[seryoga]

Economically conservative I guess.

"Treating people" liberally, minus gun control and all that touchy feely shit. Okay, that didn't make much sense, more like I don't care if someone is gay or an illegal immigrant or something.

liberalism means believing in rights and change gun controll and liberals is entirely hyprcitical its like if vladimir lenin pulled a ponzy scheme or whatever

 

[Fulax]

Is the left REALLY dominent.
Think about it. Even on the escapist where we believe we can all have a nice conversation on equal grounds, theres always moderators who can kick you out.
Think about that.

note: i'm not insulting moderators if there are any moderators here

What has that got to do with left and right wing?

 

[Federalist92]

the brits are too greedy to have socialist policies we had to fight to get rid of them and the irish still are (up the IRA)

remember when i said lets have a friendly conversation earlier.
Lets not try and make race comments or someone might throw one back at you.
Then we're in a hole heap of trouble.

 

[Federalist92]

Is the left REALLY dominent.
Think about it. Even on the escapist where we believe we can all have a nice conversation on equal grounds, theres always moderators who can kick you out.
Think about that.

note: i'm not insulting moderators if there are any moderators here

What has that got to do with left and right wing?

lets just forget that and carry on with the regular topic

 

[Mad Maniac with axe-firing chainsaw]

I'm not sure. On one hand, I believe that you need capitalism to drive wealth, motivation and inspiration as well as independence and individuality. On the other hand, socialism is required to catch people who through hard times, personal weakness or just plain bad luck would slip through the cracks of society into total ruin otherwise. However, the system needs to be geared into getting these people back up on their feet as fast as is possible. It should be around to help unfortunate or weak individuals, but it shouldn't encourage reliance on socialist mechanisms.

I suppose I'm a centrist. I support a society geared towards capitalism but with enough well made socialist policies to prevent people from falling destitute when times get desperate.

So you propose a Brit stance. A sort of bit of both worlds. Like free health care and Education.
Which Obama wants the US to have.

I do favour that kind of thinking, and overall I have some belief in the British system (though the last couple of years has shaken that belief to the core... I now have no faith in any leaders in the world. The word politician has truly become a swear-word around me.) I wish I could say that the British system works as well in practice as it does in theory, but like most systems... well, the best thing I can say about the British system is that nobody starves and you WILL get treated if you are sick. In other words, you can feel reasonably safe in Britain until organ failure, an incurable illness or one of our many criminals takes you. It is far from a perfect system, but as Churchill says, it seems to me to be the least worst system... for all its myriad faults. I should probably look into the various European systems. My knowledge is sadly limited in that area.

 

[Bored Tomatoe]

Left Centrist, only because the left has more modern ideas, just taken a bit too far. I say left, but leaning to the middle.

 

[Crimsane]

liberalism means believing in rights and change gun control and liberals is entirely hyprcitical its like if Vladimir lenin pulled a ponzy scheme or whatever

Does not compute.

I don't think even he knows what he's talking about. I read it three times and it's still not computing.

Anyway, left-leaning centrist for me.

 

[Musicfreak]

I'm very much toward the center maybe leaning a little to the right. But you should never lean to much to either side since that's when problems start appearing.

That and full on capitalism and full on socialism both basically lead to rich people stepping all over the weak. The only difference is how they do it.

 

[Fulax]

Capitalism.

Because I want the people who actually do the work to actually get the money they earned without the government stealing half of it and pissing it away on some 30 year old chav with 4 kids whose never had a job in her life.

I can live my life without the government holding my hand and I expect you to do the same.

 

[TheLastCylon]

The mutated wing that is growing out of the bird's mouth.

[small]seriously, he should stay away from that nuclear power plant...[/small]


Ok, for real now. I'm a staunch Socialist.

 

[Danzaivar]

I like the idea of a world run by the people who actually do the hard work. the lowly working class like me.

Mind telling me which party is the one by working class people? That's a Labour party that died decades ago, they're all career politicians or champagne socialists now. Just a middle class-chic concept!

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On topic I'm fairly right wing, probably closest to libertarian by British standards. Government should make sure children are given a good education and a chance at University (Which they'll loan you money for) with healthcare provided while in education and maybe for the first couple of years out. If they're growing up in difficult circumstances then they should get the option of some kind of school boarding or something, for extreme cases like. When you're out of education and in the working market tho, you should be left to fend for yourself.

Basically I think everyone should be given a chance, but that's it. True libertarianism is just cruel for poor people/families, people get trapped by it. True socialism is just stupid, because (And I know people like this) you can just do nothing and get a free house and money to put food on the table.

Course this system wouldn't work now, people have paid a fortune their lives for pension schemes and stuff, it wouldn't be fair to just close it like that, and it wouldn't be fair to make the people who'd not get one have to pay for the older generations pensions and so on, we're all trapped into it.

I never got the left-right thing myself. Left is economic-restriction with social freedom, right is economic-freedom with social restriction. Communism is far left and Fascism is far right but they're both economic restriction AND social restriction. It's totally inconsistent. (Libertarianism is social and economic freedom but it's considered far right, like fascism, which it's the total opposite of?)