Rockstar Uses Actual Gang Members for GTA V Voice Acting

[wulf3n]

I'd rather drug pushing pimps and thugs don't get paid out of my pocket. I'd rather they end up in prison (something I am happy to pay for) and rethink their life. Many a person lives in poverty and claws out of it without holding up cashiers or selling women into sexual slavery.

Gang members can get fucked.

What happened to:

Violence breeds violence.

Give people a chance of escaping the criminal cycle, NAH! fuck that, send them back to prison and give them more reason to continue a life of crime.

Why did you quote me saying violence breeds violence? I wasn't aware lawfully imprisoning criminals was violent. Oh, because it's not.

You don't think a big box full of criminals isn't a violent atmosphere?

 

[Dogstile]

I really hope this is some sort of joke. Real gang members? Seriously?

Boy! I'm sure the money that these gang members received for their voice acting talent is going straight to charity!

I really don't understand how a person can morally do this.

Like Baldr said, reformed gang members are understandable, but actual criminals are a little ridiculous.

Go look up Danny Trejo. Seriously.

Maybe you should look him up first?

He got sent to jail, went through a 12 step program, and took a bit of college and was talking at a recovery meeting to help others before he was approached to work in movies.

He was already a reformed gang member which the person you quoted said was understandable. What he said is ridiculous are current gang members.

Does it not strike you as ridiculous that in order to find legitimate work you have to go through a twelve step program and go to meetings?

Actually, scratch that, what I find really funny is that you don't think gang members do legitimate work all the time anyway.

 

[josemlopes]

So apparently now everyone thinks that a criminal out of jail doing honest work is worse then doing criminal stuff. Ok...

 

[wulf3n]

That's not even a good straw man (if there is such a thing). You're just offering more logical fallacies in place of any argument at all now. I said I'm happy to imprison criminals until they sever themselves from criminal actions. You can't pretend I made any comment on the internal operations of the prison system or support or have any control over the individual actions of said criminals if they chose to be violent. Your "argument" is absurd.

So why would you rather prevent a person from getting legitimate work:

I'd rather drug pushing pimps and thugs don't get paid out of my pocket. I'd rather they end up in prison

And send them to a place that is likely to exacerbate their criminal behaviour out of necessity.

You honestly can't believe violence breeds violence if you'd prefer to send people to a place that is violent to "cure" them of their violent ways, rather than help them get out of their situation.

 

[SonicWaffle]

Yeah, no.

As, well, with an excellent counterpoint like that, you've swayed me. A well constructed argument if ever I saw one.

I'd rather drug pushing pimps and thugs don't get paid out of my pocket.

Even when they're being paid not to be actively pushing drugs or pimping? You'd rather they were out there doing that than taking employment outside of their usual roles?

I'd rather they end up in prison (something I am happy to pay for) and rethink their life.

...an attempt at comedy, I assume? You are aware of reoffending rates, and how much of that is associated with prison environment, culture, and the justice system's vengeance-based mentality over an actual rehabilitiation-based system?

Hey, you want more crime, you can pay for more prisons. Just don't be surprised that things end up worse.

Many a person lives in poverty and claws out of it without holding up cashiers or selling women into sexual slavery.

Yes, many people find an honest way out, and that's why in our fabulously wealthy nations, crime and poverty are all but extinct, nobody ever starves or goes homeless or can't afford basic healthcare.

Oh. Right....

Gang members can get fucked.

They pretty much already have. That's why they end up as criminals.

 

[wulf3n]

If you are a criminal, you go to prison to be removed from society. You then have a choice, continue to harm others, or sever those ties and rejoin the community as a genuine citizen.

How about this, you give them a chance to rejoin society before they commit a crime that will send them to jail?

I'm not here to talk about the failures of the the justice system.

I'm not here to talk about it, but obviously we both know it exists. Therefore why would you rather a person go to jail than get given a chance at a normal life?

 

[wulf3n]

"Rejoin society [...] before they go to jail." Are you simply arguing for the sake of it now? Because it seems like you are literally stringing words together to be contrary. Or perhaps you can explain how one rejoins society from prison before being in prison.

It's about preventing crime as opposed to punishing it.

One who believes violence breeds violence would prefer to prevent crime rather than punish it, especially when punishment involves collecting violent people together in small a space because it only takes an I.Q. of 1 to see that that's not going to "reform" anyone.

 

[AgentLampshade]

I have only one issue with this. Humour. Rockstar are pretty renowned for their humourous dialogue but if the real gang members say "Naw, I'm not saying this" then is GTA still a parody of real crime or a simulation? Even the pedestrians of GTAIV were humourous.

 

[BarbaricGoose]

Isn't it a little naive to think that this one, single voice acting opportunity will be enough to magically turn their lives around, and get them out of the gangs and into a legitimate career? And no, it's probably not gonna lead to a career in VO. For just some throwaway role, they're probably being paid about $800. That's almost a month of rent, and nowhere near enough to start a new life. Maybe more if they're getting credit for supervising the script. Still, I wouldn't bet it's enough to turn their life around.

I don't know how to feel about this, really. For me, it's more about the fact that they'll probably suck at delivering their lines--they're not actors, after all.

 

[wulf3n]

I'm very interested to learn how one rejoins society without having left it.

Those who commit criminal activities to survive aren't a part of society, as they don't contribute to society. I didn't explain it because because it was so obvious.

Then you go on to assume I view prison as punishment and use that assumption to try and combat me. Which is funny, because I don't see prison as a punishment.

Then what do you see it as a day care center?

 

[Metalrocks]

i always had the feeling that rockstar is run by criminals but now they do hire criminals. the way they explain situations and pretty much know how things are in crime. just look at LA noire.
but well, i woulndt have bought part 5 anyway. gave up on it the series a long time ago.

 

[wulf3n]

They aren't part of society because they don't- oh man, even the people in the Space Station can see you are making this up as you go. You are a part of society until you are removed from it last time I checked.

Oh Glorious Genius Overload explain to me then exactly how one is removed from society [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society] and how that differs from what I said.

Prison is exactly what I said it is numerous times.

You know, it doesn't even matter what you "think" prison is because it doesn't change the fact that you prefer to send people there than prevent them from needing to be sent there.

Which again goes against the core of "violence breeds violence"