Fair enough. Like I said, I haven't really paid much attention to the whole Iron Man franchise, that makes a little more sense now I don't take it solely in the context of the first movie (I got superhero fatigue shortly after that came out).EternallyBored said:
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I just pulled it from his quote and removed his bit because I was responding to you (or what I thought was your post based on his quoting). Apparently the original source is incorrect, so disregard it, though my statement I feel is still accurate, just wrong source.Fappy said:
Well if that's the level of sophistication that Tony's suits currently impart to him, then there is even less of an issue with Riri taking over. If he's actually giving her the keys to the castle, so to speak, she's now going to have access to nano-tech to make her move faster/stronger, think faster, and basically be a walking powerhouse....just like Tony.EternallyBored said:
So...yeah, I have even less of an issue (didn't have an issue anyway, but you get the point), of someone taking Tony's place in the mantle of Iron Man. Given how pretty much all of his capability as a superhero comes from the suits themselves, having someone else in the suit doesn't really reduce the capability of the superhero, and she's got plenty of room to grow...just like Tony did at the start of his career.
Considering how bulky that suit looks (thanks Metalix!), a scrunchy or some ergonomic consideration based on how the helmet gets put on would do the trick.JustAnotherAardvark said:
Still, I'll go with Unstable Molocules, because having a 15 year old MIT student rip those off would piss Reed Richards off to no end. It'd be hilarious.
I mean, Tony Stark built the first suit in a cave, so it's not exactly the most improbable thing. 'Joined [insert prestigious institute] at [insert improbably young age]' seems pretty par-for-the-course in terms of superhero backstories, especially for a tech-centric one. I really wish it wasn't though.inu-kun said:
OT: I'm not really into comics or superheroes so I'm not really fussed either way. I mean, yeah, she really should have just been her own character (why do we need another shlub in power armour? Can people just not think of any other good tech-based abilities?) but it's not exactly uncommon or new to have an established identity or hero be taken up by a different character.
If Rey is considered a halfway competent female character, I'd hate to see what constitutes an incompetent one. The bar is evidently being set lower for female characters as well if that's the case as well, which is quite sexist in its own way given that pretty much every medium has shown itself to be home to great female characters who don't need to be graded using a different metric to male ones.McMarbles said:
It honestly makes me wonder how they're going to respond if he actually does win, since they have a history of keeping the real world president the same as that in the comics at the time (which is really weird in its results since it means there have been 6 elected presidents in the past 15 years of the setting)Areloch said:
Considering all Rey has is the standard suite of Star Wars Protagonist powers, what would you consider a competent female character to look like?Zontar said:
I'd say Leia to be obvious but even Padme managed to at least be a consistent character who didn't effectively become a new character in virtually every scene while also having flaws that actually weighed against her positive aspects.altnameJag said:
Plus the whole not going from the beginning to end of the entire Hero's Journey in 5 minutes didn't help. At this point Rey has nowhere left to go, she already defeated her nemisis and he's only still alive because
The entire fight between Kylo and Rey felt like it was written with their roles reversed and the fight's turn being when Kylo stopped holding punches but somewhere in pre-production someone accidentally switched their names and forgot to put them back. I honestly wonder how they're going to handle the villains in Episode 8 because Kylo may be still alive but he sure isn't going to be seen as a threat by the audience.
So, is Tony Stark a black woman now, or am I missing something?inu-kun said:
OT: I came here expecting Rescue. Gotta say, I'm a little disappointed. Oh well. All that's left to do is wait to see how she's written. Then I'll decide whether the evil feminist cabal has struck again. As for her hair, screw the naysayers! Her hair is fabulous!
The circumstances under which Marvel's writers have revealed their new characters, or status quo changes, have been a little irritating lately. Iceman is gay now? Cool. We find out because Jean invades his privacy and tells him he's "Full gay". Ugh. That could have been handled so much better. Thor's debut also made it obvious that Odinson will become worthy once again, which makes me wonder how long the new Thor will last. We've got two Spider-Men running about, and I don't even know what Morales' origin story is anymore. I certainly hope Miles remembers living in a different world. And finally, Legacy Characters are pretty worthless if the originals are still doing their thing.
I don't want to sound like a broken record, but I'd like to see a proper ending for characters like Odinson, Stark, Parker, and Cap. Y'know? Odinson becomes King of Asgard, Stark and Paker get married (To each other or to Potts and Watson, whatever) and retire, and Cap becomes director of S.H.I.E.L.D., forcing the other characters to step up and take their place, like Thor already has. That way we get a proper conclusion to their stories and the Legacy Characters don't feel worthless.
Also, the Odinson may be returning very soon if the new The Unworthy Thor book is any indication.
I imagine the cool toys play a part in that, too. Batman "has a plan" for everything, but Stark has an armour for it, and that's super marketable.Happyninja42 said:
Can it at least be an unstable scrunchy? I mean, like, do you even super-science?altnameJag said:
Rip them off? Reed gives 'em away; wouldn't be surprised if there's a vending machine at MIT.altnameJag said:
So basically her ending is going to be the thing the internet has second only to her being Luke's daughter on the list of "things people hope doesn't happen"? I mean hell, the whole point of the movie was to be a quasi-remake of the original, so if you have not-Vader there why would we expect him to be anything other then the primary antagonist to be overcome? Everything else is a beat-for-beat repetition of the original, and it's not as though there's much place else for her to go up given she's already a Jedi master in terms of her abilities.LifeCharacter said:
His scenes are almost exclusively of him being a whinny man-child and he got his ass kicked by a literal novice who had no idea what she was doing because she had no experience with the weapon and fighting style being used. The nerf to the gut should have been used to emphasise just how out of her leagues he was by having him win despite the injury, not have her because of it. But that would result in dramatic tension, and you can't have that in an Abrams movie.
A lifetime of training against a person who was a starving scavenger who should consider it a miracle that she managed to just look anything other then sickly due to her circumstances.
This is the Star Wars equivalent of a US Navy Seal who's the top of his unit and spent the decade before joining using his free time in thee cadets and the boy scouts at the same time loosing a fight to a homeless kid who can't even manage a proper meal just because of an injury that isn't that big of a deal all things considered (sure it would kill a normal mook, but he isn't a normal mook). I mean he managed to literally walk it off enough to sprint faster then Rey could and take a path at least twice as long as the one she and Finn did to catch up to them and somehow cut them off. At this point he's mastered the force too much to have his physical abilities compared to a baseline human.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if one of the later movies retcons the fight as his having thrown it because Smog wants to see what she can do or some other bullshit that tries to make it come off as less stupid then it already was.
That's been brought up as a counter-example a few times now, and while I don't remember how it was handled in the comics so well, if it's even remotely like the movie, he was also surrounded by millions of dollars of military-grade equipment and told to build stuff. Sure, he sidestepped their orders and somehow built a robo suit without them noticing, but lacking for expensive, fancy material he wasn't.Drops a Sweet Katana said:
How on earth does a 15 year old MIT student get access to that kinda stuff?
Oh absolutley, I'm just saying, they are basically the same heroic archetype. Normal Guy + High Tech Sciencey Stuff = Superhero capable of taking on gods and other crazy shit. And considering how popular Batman is, it doesn't surprise me that Iron Man is popular. Though I don't know if he was always popular? Or if the movies revitalized him in the comic world? Speaking from my own experience, I never read Iron Man, but I knew of him in the general sense, but never really paid him any mind. Then Iron Man 1 came out, and I loved it, still do. So it wouldn't surprise me if Downey was the shot in the arm for the character to become more prominent in the comic world. Or maybe he was always popular, I dunno.Something Amyss said:
As to why in another post, someone asked why they don't just use that one girl who is already established, probably because nobody knows who she is? She sounds pretty obscure of a character, but if you are trying to target a younger market, and a demographic that is under-represented in the comic scene, your best choice is to come up with a new character that is young (roughly the age bracket of your target audience), and put them in the spotlight. It's self insertion power fantasy at it's most basic. And it works. Most people hate Wesley Crusher, but as a kid actually named Wesley, who was roughly the same age/size/hairstyle/personality/interests as that character, you bet your ass I was totally invested in that show, because I wanted to see how this kid that was almost a clone of me did in the fantasy science world I dreamed of living in.
So yeah, a young, intelligent girl, suddenly becomes a hero? You bet your ass it's going to draw attention of audience members that previously might not have bothered buying an Iron Man comic. It's brilliant marketing, is hardly a new tactic on their part, and expands the readership to a new, less catered to demographic. I fail to see why this is a problem from any angle.
Though I do find it funny that people are saying "Why don't they just make new characters/heroes?!" But then when they did do that with this character (not the new hero bit I admit), others are saying "Why don't they just use this already established character?! Why make a new character?!" Seems highly contrary to me.
Uh...she's at MIT where they have that stuff for the students to mess with and build shit? An Institute of Technology (in the Marvel universe no less), having access to crazy technology. It boggles the mind! xDAreloch said:
Or maybe people are just sick and tired of mysteries from Abrams that never pay off and are always underwhelming, assuming you can't figure it out from the trailers alone (which happens about half the time anyways).LifeCharacter said:
Hey, just because one tiny thing was different doesn't meant that difference was good.
And let's not pretend the internet is homogeneous enough to be consistent on issues.
Well I any many others seem to feel differently. I know quite a few people in the screening I went to where laughing at him.
Yes, that is what happened. And it didn't make a lick of sense from a basic storytelling perspective.
Or maybe it's just the fact with how much emphasis was placed on the character being far beyond what a baseline human is, the expectations are placed at where the movie implies his actual level is instead of down to where it goes out of its way to state it isn't.
Well I would hope that at least the later movies aren't as by-the-numbers, no-risk, no-creativity, 100% nostalgia driven where anyone with even a passing understanding of the cliches of cinema would see everything coming 10 minutes before it happens (how many people under the age of 8 didn't know Han was going to die the moment he yelled "Ben!"? The answer is probably pretty low)
This is the Marvel Universe, New Jersey public High Schoolers have access to that shit. Mile Morales' High School apparently built a giant energy generator that collects static electricity in large enough amounts to be commercially viable. Kamala Khan's high school class built a flying bubble controlled by an intelligent shark for a science fair project (refer to my posted image of skyshark a couple pages back). One of her classmates is not a superhero and cloned a biomechanical t-rex.Areloch said:
The Spiderman villain Shocker built super high tech vibro gauntlets and a suit immune to those same vibrations in a prison machine shop. In a lot of places its shown you can just buy superscience technology off of mercenaries and villains if you've got the money. Superscientists in comics treat technology like a sort of magitech or tinkertech, it doesn't need some complicated industrial base to create superscience, or any sort of complicated mechanisms, you can create death rays in your basement out of old microwave parts.
M.I.T. is actually one of the few places where it makes sense for superscience technology to exist. As for the age, not even going to comment on that, comics often advertise themselves to kids, pretty much every supergenius that gets flashbacks to when they were 10-15 years old was building stuff just as stupidly advanced as a knockoff Iron Man suit that breaks on its first real test.
No, what she should have had was a past that wasn't needlessly mysterious for a multi-movie mystery that got old before the credits.LifeCharacter said:
A child with a shotgun is still a child, and a villain who's only a threat to mooks and those contractually destined to die is not a threat to Our Heroes.
Frankly only someone new to Star Wars could have enjoyed that little scene. Even ignoring the fact that The Force was completely redefined in Force Awakens from what it has been for the totality of Star Wars until now, there's nothing magical about a character who learned space magic exists having a sudden mastery of it 5 minutes after learning it exists and using it at a level one can only describe as a master.
Well at least there's one thing we can agree on.