School Uniform

[Dr. Gorgenflex]

Canada here, very few high schools have dress codes. People do abuse this, I myself have showed up in a Jon LaJoie's E=MC Vagina shirt and was asked to wear a jacket over it in some classes but nobody would ever consider a dress code.

 

[thenoblitt]

school uniforms are just a dumb idea in general, i mean its like look we are all wearing the same clothes we are now less likely to cause trouble yeah cause thats likely

 

[Weaver]

My school was too much of a broke shit dump to bother with uniforms.

 

[Trace2010]

Whatever you think of your uniform, you will realise exactly how easy you had it when you see what I used to have to wear at my first school. This is a quick photo of the old blazer in my wardrobe.

Spoiler

Yes, that is a banana yellow/navy blue barcode pattern.

Wow! How did anybody with any self esteem come out wearing THAT?

 

[Troublesome Lagomorph]

I hate school uniforms. I like not having a uniform and I don't find my schools dresscode to be a problem.

 

[Trace2010]

My school was too much of a broke shit dump to bother with uniforms.

Most of my district uses uniforms BECAUSE they are broke.

 

[Mr Montmorency]

You are obviously very set against this, As in most debates I see no way of changing your opinion so im not going to bother, my point was it helps but you obviously don't see it that way, I was using my experience as a teacher which I think should count for something but hey what do I know.

Your position as a teacher gives you no pull in this argument seeing as you don't wear a uniform anyway and don't know the problems people have to deal with when they're forced to.

If you're not going to bother, then you've given up and lost because you have no points. Don't act as if you're all high and mighty about it by playing the authority card.

You know just because I teach doesn't mean I don't wear a uniform you know I still wear a shirt and look respectful and even when I was a kid I wore a uniform so don't say I know nothing about the subject. I have points but you don't consider them valid for some reason when others have pointed them out and agreed with them.

I have not lost, in fact how can you lose when an opinion is subjective? a discussion is two people trying to convince each other that their viewpoint is the best, just because I see no point in trying to debate with you means I have lost it just means you not a very good person to debate with, you come across as very ignorant and aggresive, if someone disagrees with you then they are obviously wrong etc. There is being assertive and getting your point across and then there is being aggressive which just alienates peoples and makes people not want to talk to you, maybe you should take that into consideration.

Let's not go down this route again. Don't play the hero because you can't back up your points.

I'm not being ignorant. If being ignorant is being adamant that my conclusion is correct unless proven otherwise... then I guess I'm ignorant.

Also, as discussed at length throughout the topic, this situation is not subjective. This argument is not about "liking" the uniform or not, as subjectivity would denote. Many of the complaints have been over the practicality (or lack thereof) which denotes objectivity. So... yeah.

If this was subjective in any way, nobody would possibly be arguing over this because there would be no point. You're confusing the two because you yourself are ignorant about the situation and refuse to change your mind. Which is why you have "given up" if you truly had a decent point, you would have tried to convince us, and if it didn't work, you should have realised your point was flawed. But you played the "subjective" card.

Well my opinion is subjective, I think wearing uniform is good is subjective, I did raise good points earlier in the thread which I think you missed.

Here they are

1. It allows staff to easily identify pupils and distinguish them from intruders that might present a threat.

2. It helps to reduce bullying as everyone looks the same or similar whereas kids from poor backgrounds might be singled out if their clothes are seen to be scruffy etc.

3. It protects your real clothes from damage or theft.

4. It prepares you for work in the future as you will most likely have to wear a suit and tie in most jobs.

5. It helps you, most kids are tired in the morning and picking out clothes is a pain.

6. It helps you get into the work mentality, Uniform is for school and work, own clothes are for play and outside etc.

I went to some extent to explain why I thought those points were valid but like I said before you obviously disagreed and I'm not going to waste my time on someone who feels so strongly about the subjective when I know I can't convince them to my point of view.

Thats it, im not replying because there is no point, but hey if you want the last word and the need to feel like you have "won" then go right ahead.

1: If you can't identify intruders from the kids you see every day, you're a shitty teacher. If anything, the lack of a uniform would let you be able to tell who isn't from the school because they would be wearing clothing that wouldn't fit the styles of people who were in the school. How is this point subjective?

2: If you'd read my points, you would have noticed that I said that it costs more to buy a uniform than ordinary clothes, and that the lack of it would single you out more obviously than if you had turned up in inconspicuous casual wear every day. I am in fact "poor" myself, and these days, it's incredibly easy to get ahold of used clothing. How is this point subjective?

3: The fact that you can instead damage your uniform then opens you up to another shitty problem: now you have to buy a new one for about double it would have costed to buy normal clothes. This is ignoring the fact that if you're stupid enough to get your clothes stolen from you while you're wearing them, then obviously, you shouldn't be in school. How is this point subjective?

4: Yeah? Well, does expenses prepare me for the job? In a real job I could have no uniform at all. And that's not even the worse part of it, more jobs don't have a uniform, they have a dress code, and it usually makes sense due to work circumstances, such as working conditions. In school, you pay for some expensive blazer that you can "prepare" your time for work in by wearing it in the heat by force, ruining your learning all for looking "smart". On top of this, work clothes don't cost double ordinary clothes, because they ARE essentially ordinary clothes. It's dress code. How is this point subjective? Are you getting it yet?

5: If you can't get up early enough to prioritize and organise, then that means you're fucking up somewhere. If they don't learn that lesson by having to turn up in something new and clean every day, then how hard is it gonna hit them when they work and have a selection of clothes to wear? How is this point subjective?!

6: As I said, there is no way clothing can influence your ability to learn - essentially our IQ. You said that clothing changes your IQ. Does that sound stupid to you? If i sit in my underwear do I suddenly subconsciously turn into Homer Simpson? No? The how does it work here? How is this subjective?!

Do you know what subjectivity and objectivity are? Because clearly you don't.

I disagreed and I also DEBUNKED your points -- not "opinions", they were points -- saying that "wearing is good" is subjective, well done. But when you go on to back it up with objective points, don't expect to not get shot down.

If you're giving up, you're obviously hereby admitting that you have no points left and you can't justify it. Saying "it's just my opinion" or "it's subjective" just shows that you can take your opinions being debunked and thereby shows that you're ignorant and stubborn. If you would have gladly giving me and everyone else some points-- retorts, even, then maybe you would have been believed.

I win.

 

[Tharwen]

Whatever you think of your uniform, you will realise exactly how easy you had it when you see what I used to have to wear at my first school. This is a quick photo of the old blazer in my wardrobe.

Spoiler

Yes, that is a banana yellow/navy blue barcode pattern.

Wow! How did anybody with any self esteem come out wearing THAT?

Whoever said they did?

/emo

[sub]Yeah, it was pretty horrible...[/sub]

 

[Trace2010]

American here. I think much of the tension in the discourse on this thread has a lot to do with WHERE people are arguing from and not WHAT they are arguing about.

 

[Mr Montmorency]

-snip-.

Can't afford more clothes?! Fuck off, do you know how much uniforms cost? Give or take, it's over double the cost of any ordinary clothing item because it's tailor made for the school. If anything, it means nothing because then the indication for poor kids would be the ones who can't afford the uniform instead - making the whole idea mute in the first place.

Also, poor kids are never the ones who are bullied. The poor kids are the ones who do bully. They're poor for a reason, it's because they have shitty parents, ego, they're pricks. I know. I went to school with kids who never bothered wearing uniforms and turned up in tracksuit bottoms and Nike shoes - chavs.

You're really DIGGING now.

I can argue against you from a first hand point of view. I go to a (rather expensive) fee-paying school in Manchester (and before you call me a rich prick, I'm going to state that I am on a bursary), and the rich kids do take pride of place. There is a popular brand which is expensive called Superdry, and all the rich kids have it, and I have come in in cheaper items of clothing from Topman. You have no idea the kind of abuse I received, I got spat at, hit, shouted at etc. from all the posh children from their 3 story mansions in Cheshire, who deem that the poorer kids are inferior to them and therefore they can seize control.

So yes, poor kids ARE bullied, and quite frequently too...

PS. No, my parents aren't shitty, they work hard for the living they do, and look after me very well. I don't try to deny the fact that I'm poor, I take it on the chin and accept it, and as far as I'm aware, I'm not a prick...

The only thing you said here was that you were poorer than all the others, not the poor. I only said the downright poorest and stupidest are the ones who bully.

 

[Trace2010]

Whatever you think of your uniform, you will realise exactly how easy you had it when you see what I used to have to wear at my first school. This is a quick photo of the old blazer in my wardrobe.

Spoiler

Yes, that is a banana yellow/navy blue barcode pattern.

Wow! How did anybody with any self esteem come out wearing THAT?

Whoever said they did?

/emo

[sub]Yeah, it was pretty horrible...[/sub]

Sorry, but that's one of those things that people mention when they do "rising above" speeches. Our students usually use a combination of school polo, khaki and or "neat" jeans.

 

[Double A]

Well I'm from America and most schools don't have a uniform... but I really wish they did. Before, I had to wake up every morning and get the same outfit together... I didn't really like it that much at the time, but then the next year I went to a public school and everyone was dressed like idiots. I swear, everyone was sagging their pants or wearing skinny jeans or something equally dumb... I wish we had uniforms.

No... you don't. Then everyone would ***** about it.

We need a dress code.

 

[Mr Snuffles]

-snip-.

Can't afford more clothes?! Fuck off, do you know how much uniforms cost? Give or take, it's over double the cost of any ordinary clothing item because it's tailor made for the school. If anything, it means nothing because then the indication for poor kids would be the ones who can't afford the uniform instead - making the whole idea mute in the first place.

Also, poor kids are never the ones who are bullied. The poor kids are the ones who do bully. They're poor for a reason, it's because they have shitty parents, ego, they're pricks. I know. I went to school with kids who never bothered wearing uniforms and turned up in tracksuit bottoms and Nike shoes - chavs.

You're really DIGGING now.

I can argue against you from a first hand point of view. I go to a (rather expensive) fee-paying school in Manchester (and before you call me a rich prick, I'm going to state that I am on a bursary), and the rich kids do take pride of place. There is a popular brand which is expensive called Superdry, and all the rich kids have it, and I have come in in cheaper items of clothing from Topman. You have no idea the kind of abuse I received, I got spat at, hit, shouted at etc. from all the posh children from their 3 story mansions in Cheshire, who deem that the poorer kids are inferior to them and therefore they can seize control.

So yes, poor kids ARE bullied, and quite frequently too...

PS. No, my parents aren't shitty, they work hard for the living they do, and look after me very well. I don't try to deny the fact that I'm poor, I take it on the chin and accept it, and as far as I'm aware, I'm not a prick...

The only thing you said here was that you were poorer than all the others, not the poor. I only said the downright poorest and stupidest are the ones who bully.

Well I am technically the poor in my school =P

Also school uniform might be twice as expensive, but you have to buy lots of different clothes, whereas you can get away with just one school uniform...

 

[Fallen-Angel Risen-Demon]

HA! HA! HA!

Being in Sixth Form is sweet.

Basterd!
My freinds from 2 years up had induction day today.
I spent half of lunch standing below a hill where they were and starering at them with envy. The occaisional fist shake.
God it's been boring without them.
OT: There is no point to them. For every argument for them there is a better argument against them.

 

[Mr Montmorency]

-snip-.

Can't afford more clothes?! Fuck off, do you know how much uniforms cost? Give or take, it's over double the cost of any ordinary clothing item because it's tailor made for the school. If anything, it means nothing because then the indication for poor kids would be the ones who can't afford the uniform instead - making the whole idea mute in the first place.

Also, poor kids are never the ones who are bullied. The poor kids are the ones who do bully. They're poor for a reason, it's because they have shitty parents, ego, they're pricks. I know. I went to school with kids who never bothered wearing uniforms and turned up in tracksuit bottoms and Nike shoes - chavs.

You're really DIGGING now.

I can argue against you from a first hand point of view. I go to a (rather expensive) fee-paying school in Manchester (and before you call me a rich prick, I'm going to state that I am on a bursary), and the rich kids do take pride of place. There is a popular brand which is expensive called Superdry, and all the rich kids have it, and I have come in in cheaper items of clothing from Topman. You have no idea the kind of abuse I received, I got spat at, hit, shouted at etc. from all the posh children from their 3 story mansions in Cheshire, who deem that the poorer kids are inferior to them and therefore they can seize control.

So yes, poor kids ARE bullied, and quite frequently too...

PS. No, my parents aren't shitty, they work hard for the living they do, and look after me very well. I don't try to deny the fact that I'm poor, I take it on the chin and accept it, and as far as I'm aware, I'm not a prick...

The only thing you said here was that you were poorer than all the others, not the poor. I only said the downright poorest and stupidest are the ones who bully.

Well I am technically the poor in my school =P

Also school uniform might be twice as expensive, but you have to buy lots of different clothes, whereas you can get away with just one school uniform...

ONE stinking school uniform? Some mothers have better things to do than wash those clothes every night (like working in the kitchen or bringing me a beer). Usually, you have to buy 2 or 3 different shirts and trousers, give or take. It costs even more than double it normally would, in fact.

 

[Broady Brio]

Used to be...

Navy blue polo, navy blue sweatshirt, black trousers, black shoes.

We could take off the sweatshirt obviously not the same with the shirt.

 

[Mucinex-D]

I find school uniform irritating but I suppose they have to turn us into soulless machines somehow.

We've combated that by turning school uniforms into a fetish.

Mmmm.... School girl uniforms...

I kid, I kid... ~wink~

OT:
No we don't have uniforms (in most schools), probably due to the fact that we TRY (key word here) to have as much freedom as we can in all aspects of life, since everyone is all about the freedom here. Even if uniforms were made mandatory in most schools I could see mass rebellion against it happening. I think school uniforms are terrible, and I can only imagine how much it must suck to wear it.

 

[The_ModeRazor]

No uniforms here, and HOLY SHIT YOU GO TO SCHOOL IN JULY???
It ended for us on June 10. Ha!

 

[Trebort]

My school uniforms were always awesome.

T-Shirt, Jumper and black trousers. Simple and effective.

First school had Dark Blue jumpers with a light blue t shirt, my second school had the same uniform.

 

[MasterChief892039]

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