Science Breakthrough: Plate Armor is Heavy

Tischfuss

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I think this video is very much needed in here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqC_squo6X4
Yes, it's lengthy, but it's worth it (at least if you're interested in this kind of stuff). But to summerize this in context of this study: The study is not only very poorly done "sciencemanship"-wise, but also very, very inaccurate.

(Seriously though, watch the video.)
 

Dangerious P. Cats

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I kind of question how scientific a study of 4 people is. One would assume that different people can be worn out at different rates by wearing/carrying things. I can, for example, carry much more than a number of people I know of equivalent size, shape and strength (though this is anecdotal). I would also suggest that the reason why modern soldiers have fewer problems with backpacks is that they train to run in backpacks in much the same way that medieval knights trained to run and fight in full plate armour.
 

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dogstile said:
mad825 said:
dogstile said:
Gottesstrafe said:
Can't say for certain, but I would also think that a good old fashioned english longbow or a crossbow bolt wouldn't have too much difficulty penetrating leather either.
Considering the British longbow could pierce plate, I doubt leather really is going to stop it.
At point blank range yes however it's more likely to leave a nasty dent and knock over the knight. Most of them where more likely to be hit in the openings between the plates.

Leather(hardened) would reduce the damage it did to the wearer ^.^
Well i'm not arguing it would reduce the damage.

HOWEVER, I still think that damage would kill the wearer unless it hit it at an angle and deflected off. I THINK...

These scientists should do this next.
The leather armor Romans used (2 layers of hard leather with a section of plate armor in between) might work, although I would think the lack of plating along the sides would present a few problems.

Oh, and as for that bit about how plate armor would fare against a longbow...



Edit: Did a quick bit of research online. The heavier selections of plate armor in medieval times could weigh up to 100 lbs. A fully decked out marine fighting in the middle east carries on average around 90 lbs. of gear (40 lbs. in body armor, clothing, boots, helmet, etc. and 50 lbs. in ammo, batteries, food, water, etc.), not including personal items or supplementary gear. Although I'm sure that the modern counterpart is much better in terms of weight distribution, I wouldn't necessary rule out that a knight that had a properly fitted set of plate mail who had also trained in it most of their life would find it THAT bothersome in terms of mobility.
 

marurder

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This report sucks. It isn't what the scientists worked on at all. They were QUANTIFYING how much harder it was. How about you keep your sarcasm to yourself and make wise cracks when NOT delivering something that could be interpreted as news?
 

WolfThomas

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A small price for living longer.

Also it's interesting stuff, but in no way proper research. A sample size of four for four different catergories with no control is in no way good science.

ReiverCorrupter said:
In addition to this, they would need to find people who came close to the actual size of the nights. Remember that people were much shorter back then (I think the average height was probably closer to 5 feet) and this would have affected the way they carried the armor.
I don't think a Knight would actually be that short, people on average were indeed much shorter, but someone of noble birth would not have been affected by malnutrition and protein deficiency like the peasants and commoners who'd drag the averages down. They'd probably be around the high 5's.

It's a similar misconception to the one with average life expectancy. People didn't just die in their 30-40s (well except for violence), the infant mortality rate dragged the numbers down.
 

Jyggalag

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"A material is heavier when wearing it than carrying the same weight in a backpack."

I think it's safe to say that we are all happy to have a firm grasp on the obvious. Is this seriously a "Science Breakthrough" or is this a joke?
 

Ryokai

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I'm actually surprised that it wasn't heavier. As an Israeli soldier, I'm expected to carry up to 60 percent of my weight into battle. What, have we made no progress in the last couple centuries that we're still lugging everything around?
 

Jason Danger Keyes

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In all fairness, somebody important enough to be able to afford full plate armour would probably be more interested in staying alive than actually being an effective combatant, so armour over fighting ability makes sense.
 

Whispering Cynic

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Wow... seriously, wow (slow clap). So our scientist friends *finally* figured out what my history teacher explained to us on highschool. Bravo!
 

Monsterfurby

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I've been LARPing for 10 years. I wear plate armor pretty close to its historical counterpart. Why didn't they just ask me?

Also, chainmail is much heavier.
 

Alon Shechter

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Oh wow, really?
And here I thought the only reason knights tire faster is because they have incredibly large penises!
 

Riobux

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I am glad to learn of this ground breaking news before I depart from this world. This information has not only changed my life, but it'll change the life of every other person alive. We could of never advanced technologically without scientific evidence that plate armour is not only heavy, but heavier than not wearing plate armour. I would like to thank the scientists involve for bringing this important news and can't wait to hear future scientific investigations.
 

Strazdas

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so you take a obvious fact. put it into inadequate conditions, and from result deduct obvious result regardless that conditions you were comparing it to (past) was different. this makes science look bad.
on the other hand, maybe we will see "us marine suit" in wow due to this?