Science Proves Your Grandma Right About Pop Music

Athinira

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John Funk said:
According to Serra, this is the first concrete proof of the so-called "loudness war" in which record labels keep escalating the volume at which they set their music.
I hate to disappoint the dear Serra, but it AIN'T the first concrete proof. Anyone who has done audio waveform analysis could have told him the same thing :eek:)
 

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Roboto said:
Mortis Nuncius said:
I can't remember the last time I heard good sax in pop music...

I'm really glad that now there's actually scientific proof to support my arguments.

Take that, you boombox-blasting hooligans!!
You can't have missed epic sax guy!
That was predominantly eurodance with pop influences.
 

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I would like to remind everyone of Sturgeon's Law - "90% of everything is crap."

90% of all the music on the radio now is crap.

90% of all the music on the radio when you were a kid was crap.

90% of all the music on the radio when your parents were kids was crap.

90% of all the music ever created since the dawn of time was, is, and forever will be crap.

We only remember the 10% that is not crap.

In 20 years, the people who are kids today will listen to their kids music and think it's crap... and 90% of it will be.
 

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Mad Sun said:
DSK- said:
I'll just leave this here. Insert more text here.

I got up to make a hipster joke about it not applying to hipster bands, but then they applied it to MGMT, so I sat down.
Heh, I don't even know what a hipster is, so it probably would have falled on dead ears (or in this case, dead eyes ;) ).
 

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tmande2nd said:
Next on "News everyone already knows": Bears shit in woods!
i wish there was a thumbs up function on the forums.

anyway http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I

pretty much ancient news... at least i believe every music student has come to the same conclusion, if not by ear then by looking at sheets.

what would be interesting is if we could see the trend by genre, whether or not electronic, metal or hip hop and so on
 

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Callate said:
Starting in 1955, eh...?

Did they factor in that

a) No one tries to sing like Frankie Valli anymore, and

b) This is a very, very good thing?
This is very true.

I personally think you'll find good music anywhere 50's, 90's, internationally and across all genres. Of course you're also going to sift through a lot of shit before you get there...
 

Waaghpowa

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I've been saying this for years, now I have proof!

All my favourite music is from the 80's and 90's. Say what you want about the 80's, but at least people were trying something new then.
 

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I think this really only applies to Americanised pop music, Japanese, European, Korean pop music is fine, some actually being great. The fact that nowadays Pop is not really a genre but a blanket encompassing the songs that were designed to make money without artistic merit is probably why this is true. But even saying that, the case is pop music has always been a stagnant genre since music has becoming more available to the average person even before the internet.

Also the average pop music listener has become stupider, the record companies know that they can pretty much print out the same song over and over again without repercussions because the average pop listener is essentially mindless. That is also why people say a song sucks because it is a year old, they see music as a fad.

Also fuck Simon Cowell, one of the biggest reasons why the music industry is shit today.
 

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The Pink Pansy said:
This being said it really doesn't matter how loud music is or how similar/different it is to other music. What is more important is that it sounds /good/ or conveys the ideas/emotions the artist is trying to convey.
The problem here being a lot of modern pop artists have nothing to say.

At least, nothing of interest to say.
 

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j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
It's actually pretty simple. Making up every song ever made are chord sequences and melodies that can be broken down and analysed with music theory. Through the Sixties and Seventies, we had a revolution of pop/rock music that brought new ideas and new chord structures to music. You had bands like Zeppelin, King Crimsons, Yes, the Beatles, Jean Michel-Jarre etc, reaching out and bringing in new ideas, new ways to play melodies, new ways to structure songs. Outside of Pop, you had artists like Miles Davis, John Coltrane and Mahavishnu Orchestra literally revolutionising not just song structure, but the very structure of music.

Ever since the Eighties, mainstream music has been on a downward slide. Instead of trying to make new advances in music, the way Miles Davis and the Beatles managed to, we've simply dressed up the same chord sequences under new toys and gadgets, and called that progress. The fact that the majority of the biggest pop hits of the last few years (Gnarls Barkley: Crazy, GOTYE: Someone I Used To Know, Adele: Rolling In The Deep, etc) all revolve around the same Minor I-b7-b6 chord sequence should be an indicator of how stagnant pop music has become. That chord sequence was already old hat when Phil Collins used it for In The Air Tonight. The likes of Zeppelin and Hendrix had already done everything that needed to be done with that chord sequence in Stairway and All Along The Watchtower, respectively.

If we do not identify stagnation and repetition when it occurs, then how can we ever expect music to innovate and take us to new places. The music of the Fifties and Sixties was powerful enough to ignite the biggest social revolution the West has ever seen. Shouldn't we strive to create music of that power and importance today?
Gah! Big post!

I don't think most listeners care about song structure progression. It's just about what pleases the ear. I don't know much about song structure, but Somebody that I Used to Know and Rolling in the Deep sound different to me, so the fact that they may not be so on a technical level does not bother me; I still dislike Rolling in the Deep as much as ever.

Besides how do YOU plan on stopping this stagnation? It doesn't bother me because I still have Black Metal (and as we all know THAT hasn't been stuck in place for the last decade.)

Captcha: Mumbo Jumbo

Lol, I've been playing Banjo-Kazooie.
 

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kyosai7 said:
SoulSalmon said:
Huzzah, I'm not going crazy, it IS becoming more bland!

Though I notice a lot of people tend to say 'all music after 2000' falls to this, and well, even in the last couple years we've gotten these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XlNbQv_Rg4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM1v-00C6AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWdkozMxkEc
(Stopping here because if I include more examples I'll start going overboard with them >.>)

Perhaps these might be 'samey' compared to the other songs of their genres, but I've never been able to actually mistake these songs for other songs like I've been doing with a lot of radio music recently.
I love you. I love Eluveitie. Folk metal is awesome :)
Eluveitie is the best.
Inis Mona (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iijKLHCQw5o) was the song that finally moved me away from the generic crap and into real music.
That single Folk Metal song (and indeed the whole band) expanded my music tastes further then I'd ever imagined, from Metal to Classical, from Ska to Electronic, from Chiptune to Funk...
 

Guitarmasterx7

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You find me someone with even remote knowledge of music theory that still likes modern pop music and I'll show you the only person who will care about this news story.
 

DeltaEdge

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Glad to see that there is at least some skepticism on the thread. As for me, I don't really listen to much music at all, let alone pop or rock or indie or whatever other genre is popular right now, so this really has little significance to me. As for why I bothered commenting, I have no idea...
 

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Devoneaux said:
Triforceformer said:
Ahh, that feeling when scientific studies tell us exactly what we want to hear. All skepticism goes out the window.
If I might ask, what is there to be skeptical about exactly?
Well I kinda agree with him actually... it's like the (bullshit) research that "proved" that IE users have a lower IQ than users of alternative browsers. Not that I'm saying that this is bullshit, but if you really give a damn about something like this, I'd check that there actually IS a "Spanish National Research Council" (there is, I googled - and if you can't trust Google, who can you trust?) and that Joan Serra is a member of it.

Basically you have to treat this kind of stuff with scepticism nowadays. If you don't, you might end up believing that Barack Obama is a muslim, or that key Republican party officials want to bring in a "three-strikes" policy whereby anybody getting a third "strike" would be sent instantly to Death Row. (And yes, both of those things are false, although if you believe the Internet, you might not think so.)
 

RJ Dalton

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Can we stop using the phrase "Science proves . . ."? That's bullshit. Science is a set of principles and guidelines for studying the world that help make said studies more accurate when properly applied. Science doesn't prove anything. *Scientists* prove things.
In theory.