Yeah, I guess wondering why people go see almost universally panned movies makes me an idiot, doesn't it?Jepix said:
Script For Transformers 2 Will Probably Suck
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Hang on hang on just a second. Who thought the script was going to be good anyways? It's a mickey bay film. He like to explode things, and I'm pretty sure he's impressed by the exploding part he forgets about the filming part so even they look kind of crappy on screen.
Just curious: When people complain about the live-action Transformers, are they comparing it to the comics or the old cartoon? Honestly, I don't think many in the general audience have ever heard of, much less read, the comics. The cartoon was (and still is, in the newer incarnations) full of cheesy comedy and obnoxious human characters. Might want to take off those rose-tinted glasses and go watch the old show before you accuse these movies of not adhering to the source material.
First thought: English, ************, do you speak it?GloatingSwine said:
/but I kid
Second thought: thank god there's google.
Final thought (one short google later): I don't think one or the other is a problem, it's when they try to combine them. Let's face it, Bay is not going to be the guy who changes the way action is shot by combining two awesome styles. Changing the way explosions are done is an accomplishment enough. If we give him a prize for it, maybe he'll retire.
Or we could, you know, expect that people who loved these things would want to see them improved upon instead of being the shitty cartoon of our youth.Namulith said:
And I say this as someone who was so hardcore that I didn't like the cartoon, b/c they made the Dinobots seem stupid. Anyone who read the tech specs of Grimlock knew he was not dumb. Yeah, I was that kid.
Caveat: I was young once. I've let it go. I just want things to be good, instead of shitty because 'hey, it's just for 12 yo boys; who gives a fuck.'
No. You don't get to make crappy product just because it's for kids, or for the kid in some grownup. And when you have that much money, the right people can get paid to do something cool.
Well the first one WASN'T THAT BAD. Admit it, it as enjoyable and quite funny at some points. Seriously since when did we watch Transformers 'cause of the script or "AMGEH EARTH'S IN PERIL!" crap? Action, giant robots, cool cars. What more do you need?
No I'm not. If you read the post, I say: tech specs.Namulith said:
So this excuses the suck? That other things suck and hell, it could've been worse?
The long and short of it is: some people want to excuse the suck. Others do not.
And given the money they had, and the talent they could've brought to bear, I don't feel like excusing the suck. I especially don't feel like excusing the suck of something that should've been done right, namely the action sequences. Which if you read my original post, was where I ceased to forgive all the cutesy bullshit, summer movie moments, and concessions that needed to be made to introduce the franchise to the masses. That stuff is fine if the big bang sequence at the end works, and it doesn't.
Transformers failed as an action movie. The thing it's supposed to do well. That it could've been worse isn't exactly refuting my argument, since that's true of damn near anything, as you point out.
The problem is; it could've been a hell of a lot better, and it should've.
Not disagreeing with you. There are dozens of changes I feel could be made to make the movie suck less. All suckage considered, I still think it was a fun movie. That's not what my post was about.
I'm just trying figure out where this hate for the comedic and human character elements stems from, when those have been a staple of cartoon series since the beginning.
As far as tech specs, they say lots of things that are never supported in the animation or comic, Grimlock's intelligence being an exception.
I'm just trying figure out where this hate for the comedic and human character elements stems from, when those have been a staple of cartoon series since the beginning.
As far as tech specs, they say lots of things that are never supported in the animation or comic, Grimlock's intelligence being an exception.
I'm not entirely certain why this thread was reactivated, but I'm assuming it's because of other Transformer related news.
Revenge of the Fallen was a colossal piece of shit. For the love of god, never rush quality...but seeing as how the box office speaks for itself, sometimes quality doesn't matter.
There were several good scenes, action speaking. But there were also a lot of plot holes and over-done scenes. Not to mention some really bad characters. Oh Yeah there was some sexual innuendo which was totally not appropriate. I did a face palm.
What it boils down to is a crappy script overall. But the action scenes are very well done, and parts of the movie are quite enjoyable...then it's like getting hit in the nuts.
Revenge of the Fallen was a colossal piece of shit. For the love of god, never rush quality...but seeing as how the box office speaks for itself, sometimes quality doesn't matter.
There were several good scenes, action speaking. But there were also a lot of plot holes and over-done scenes. Not to mention some really bad characters. Oh Yeah there was some sexual innuendo which was totally not appropriate. I did a face palm.
What it boils down to is a crappy script overall. But the action scenes are very well done, and parts of the movie are quite enjoyable...then it's like getting hit in the nuts.
