Seattle "Superhero" Arrested For Pepper Spray Assault
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People justify their own inaction by saying that there is no good in people, but when someone acts, when someone shows that there is good in people, it jeopardizes the justification of the many for their own inaction, inadequacy, and failures.NameIsRobertPaulson said:
Its standard ego self-defense.
"Why should I do it if no one else will do it?"
And if someone does it...
"Look at him showing off, what a fool."
Actually its been done a lot, think of the first part of kickass before things got awesome, where some local people dress up in costumes and go to the streets to fight crime and often made to look a bit silly on the news.JasonKaotic said:
Yeah so its not common, but its not unheard of either, it jsut tends to be the smaller cities or towns rather than say places like NY. From what ive heard at least.
You don't think running around, spraying pepper spray into an angry crowd is at all risible? The guy dresses up as a super hero and goes out into the street with weapons; of course he was looking for trouble! That is the difference between a decent member of the public stepping in to break up a scuffle, and a kook like this: an innocent person can argue they were just doing the most reasonable thing at the shortest notice.SadakoMoose said:
If you are the kind of person looking out for trouble on purpose, and your primary intention is to get involved in this sort of thing, you can't argue you were taking the best, most reasonable course of action. You are making a stupid choice and trying to take the situation into your own hands, which is very irresponsible and potentially very dangerous to all involved. That is why he is an asshole. Because he prioritised his super hero antics over doing the right thing, to the endangerment of the public.
Quite, my good madam / sir. He strives to be a hero, but like we all know, no one likes vigilantes, especially cops. Because we all know that cops hate being shown up, sense their authority figures and what not. Nothing wrong with the concept, just people tend to be a douche when it comes to letting the community CLEANSE the community. Cops, if you don't want Phoniex Jones, step up your police force.NameIsRobertPaulson said:
Ewyx said:
You both are very much correct. Not his fault he wanted to stop a fight, its the cops fault for not being there first.SadakoMoose said:
This upcoming court could be the start of something new, mainly a newly created law to ban or outlaw masks vigilantes. This could be the end of the other establish mask individual like Shadow Hare and that superhero group (the one with Motor Mouth, Nyx, Life and etc).
24 Comments before anyone mentions the fact that someone was HIT BY A CAR and this Phoenix guy chased after it, good on him.draythefingerless said:
Pepper spray is nothing, so what your eyes hurt, and kicking the shit out of each other wasn't going get them injured? He should get let off, not even with a warning, give him thanks and send him back on the streets.
didn't kick ass show why this was a bad idea? a bystander calling the cops is more effective and safer than a masked vigilante. I totally wish we lived in a world where that was not the case, but someone is gonna be killed. might be him, might be the "villain", but it'll be someone.
Eventually, I think the argument will be that his presence in the situation -- wearing a bright costume, carrying crime-fighting devices, yet not displaying a badge or other official markers -- served as an escalating influence, possibly even provocation.Earnest Cavalli said:
It's probably the most sensible argument against costumed vigilantism. Having student hall monitors did the same thing in many elementary and middle schools--when people realized these people had no official power, antagonizing them became a game. While that certainly qualified those people as "jerks," it eventually came down to such things not being worth the trouble. If they don't have the power, they shouldn't have the position.
Charged with up to year of incarceration when there is even video evidence that it is self-defence.
This is why Batman kept his secret identity.
ITT: police have a monopoly of force
(Off topic: why did the cops call Batman in to interrogate The Joker for The Dark Knight, all he did was slap him around and make a vague threat of killing Joker, any cop could have done that (and a short while later in the film actually did!). Batman is supposed to do what the police can't or won't do)
This is why Batman kept his secret identity.
ITT: police have a monopoly of force
(Off topic: why did the cops call Batman in to interrogate The Joker for The Dark Knight, all he did was slap him around and make a vague threat of killing Joker, any cop could have done that (and a short while later in the film actually did!). Batman is supposed to do what the police can't or won't do)
So funny the comments here.
Most of the time when a group of people does something bad, for example beat someone up, most comments are like "This society is sick, why doesn't any do something, where are all the heroes?"
Then, when someone has the balls to actually do something (it's his own fault and decision if he puts himself in danger), the comments change to "Wow, what a moron, why does he act like such an idiot and do something so stupid."
Sigh, people just don't know what they want.
Most of the time when a group of people does something bad, for example beat someone up, most comments are like "This society is sick, why doesn't any do something, where are all the heroes?"
Then, when someone has the balls to actually do something (it's his own fault and decision if he puts himself in danger), the comments change to "Wow, what a moron, why does he act like such an idiot and do something so stupid."
Sigh, people just don't know what they want.
to the people talking about the pepper spray and the taking weapons looking for fights....
1. so a woman who carries a pepper spray in her bag is a criminal offense?
2. cops stroll the night looking for trouble too. thats their job. to ensure they are safeguarding everyone. thats what this guy was doing. going thru the night, hoping he might stop any ongoing crime. looking to start a fight and looking for a fight to stop it are two different things.
2. he even avoided touching people in that fight. all he did was separate them(like normal thoughtful good hearted people do when they see a fight) and he used the pepper spray in his own defense.
1. so a woman who carries a pepper spray in her bag is a criminal offense?
2. cops stroll the night looking for trouble too. thats their job. to ensure they are safeguarding everyone. thats what this guy was doing. going thru the night, hoping he might stop any ongoing crime. looking to start a fight and looking for a fight to stop it are two different things.
2. he even avoided touching people in that fight. all he did was separate them(like normal thoughtful good hearted people do when they see a fight) and he used the pepper spray in his own defense.
Charging in with the intent to pepper spray someone, which can cause injury and in extreme cases fatality, may be a just thing to do depending on the situation, but that doesn't mean the law would side with him. Also, vigilantism (apparently a word!) is against the law.Earnest Cavalli said:
Not sure whether to believe the vid is "real" or not. When will one of these nutjobs slash the Waltons' (heirs to the Walmart fortune and all around little shits) tires?
This is why i don't exactly trust law enforcements these days because i like to raise the question from time to time: "who enforces the enforcer?" because i still believe in vigilantes as some police enforcements can be quite a joke as you stated and with that abuse of power they displayed it's no wonder i don't trust police forces especially when they clearly didn't arrest those women or the people throwing rocks which by the way can do far more damage than a pepper spray so i am highly inclined to agree with you Signa.Signa said: