Sega: Sonic Will be "Fixed Over Time"

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randommaster

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matsugawa said:
It's good that Sonic Team is beginning to see that many of the changes they've made to Sonic's universe have not been for the better, but then again I often wonder if it's just time to retire the franchise for a while. It's like with Mario, we started off well with the side-scrolling platformers, then things went well in the 3D platformers, and then... well, there's really nowhere the series can go.
Every 3D Mario game has basically just been a moderate improvement (often only graphically) over Mario 64. Nintendo seems to be countering this by keeping the 3D platformers to a minimum (Mario 64 never had a direct sequel, neither did Sunshine, and Galaxy is only getting one now) meanwhile placing focus on Mario's other venues like Paper Mario, Brawl, Mariokart, and the sports games.
Sega, meanwhile, has tried to keep Sonic squarely in the platforming world, his occasional appearances in tennis games, racers, or even his one RPG seemingly preceded by "kicking and screaming". The reason behind this is, of course, that except maybe for Sonic Riders, none of these other genres help to show off Sonic's trademark speed. Then again, the exploration aspects of the sprawling, 3D worlds of the 2006 game and Unleashed don't help either.
I've loved the Sonic games since day one, and I might actually be one of the few Sonic fans who actually likes Sonic Adventure for Dreamcast even after all these years. Since then, though, the only Sonic games (on the main consoles, I haven't tried his DS games) that I've actually kind of enjoyed playing are the two Wii games, Secret Rings and Black Knight; they're the only games that effectively show off Sonic's speed yet give us the rich, sprawling 3D worlds afforded by the current consoles.
Sega seems to have been at a loss for what to do with Sonic, and that may be because of Sonic's now-wider audience. Like I said, I grew up with Sonic in his 2D days on Genesis, and I'm now approaching 30. There are, however, fans that have never known the 2D Sonic as their first impression may have been Sonic Adventure or Sonic Adventure 2, or anything after that. So, at the risk of sounding condescending, Sega has older fans on one side who want the former glory restored, and younger fans on the other side who want to see Shadow get his own game. Sega needs to remember that Sonic was never meant to appeal to younger gamers; Sonic has an attitude and still does, Mario doesn't and never has, but since now Nintendo is writing most of Sega's paychecks, Sega felt compelled to tone down the 'edginess' albeit I seriously doubt anyone at Big N told them to.
I don't see anything wrong with Sonic's expanding cast of characters; they're all balanced and diverse enough. There is, however, a kind of 'umbrella' dumbing-down of the series that, at times, seems to render the individual members of the cast indiscernable from each other.

I'm rambling, but it's because I love Sonic, but I wouldn't be sad if Sega just put him down and walked away for a while. There are times when absence makes the heart grow fonder.
Hey, I like Sonic as much as the next guy, but you don't see me talking about it on the internet.

Seriously, though, Sega needs to ask Retro Studios to make their next 3D Sonic game, or at least find people who aren't used to working on Sonic, but are fans of the franchise. Retro showed us that Mario isn't the only franchise that can make the transition from 2D to 3D successfully.

The thing is, though, that we will probably not see a simple 2D Sonic game on the consoles because even though it would go over well with fans, most people wouldn'tshell out $50 for a 2D platformer. We can probably look forward to a Sonic 4 on the digital market place, but I doubt that Sonic will be going anywhere different on the consoles.
 

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Ranooth said:
Just take Sonic Rush, kill Cream and Blaze (keep Tail if you must) put in millions more levels, HD graphics and an awesome soundtrack and you've got a good Sonic game
Agreed! Or a solo Sonic game in an open world environment (Zelda like maybe) without the bullshyt side street missions
 

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jman11288 said:
I've given up all hope on the games. I get my Sonic fix from the comic series by Archie, which is still going strong with over 200 issues. Much like the way Star Wars tends to be more awesome when George Lucas isn't in charge, the Sonic the Hedgehog universe is much more entertaining and Werehog-less when Sega isn't in charge.

They've managed to take just about every character from the games I hated (except Cream, who thankfully has yet to make an appearance) and given them a purpose in the main story. The characters develop! Shadow smiles once in a while! Tails no longer is completely useless! You want a good Sonic experience? Read the comics.
They should make a game based off the Archie series, that would rock!
 

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Well, at least they see what they are doing wrong. If only they would read forums like this and get some ideas.

A side scrolling 3D game would be ace, add a bit of a story, plenty of action, rings, boxes and emeralds. and viola! Brilliant game.
 

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You know, I'd probably be more cynical about this, if I hadn't actually liked Sonic Heroes and wondered what the hell everyone was talking about.

I mean, granted, I also liked Sonic 3D Blast, but I'll still acknowledge it as the worst Sonic game I've played so far (no, I haven't played 2006).
 
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Commander Breetai said:
Couldn't they...like...go back in time and fix him instead?

Maybe?
Wait-
Have Sonic run around the world fast enough to reverse the rotation of the earth and, obviously, time as well!
It's ironically brilliant!
Oh, then we kill him.
 

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MorteSphere said:
Since the introduction of Tails, Sonic has failed horribly. They should have stuck with side scrolling.
Somehow, ONE new character that appear in the SECOND game of the ENTIRE franchise has been the sole reason that Sonic games have been lacking in quality?

Didn't IGN say the same Bullshit?

The both of you are basically saying that only the first game was good? Yes, I see perfect logic in that.
 

Soxafloppin

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I liked the 'sonic' levels of sonic unleashed. The last great sonic game was sonic adventure 2 battle for the cube!
 

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Puppet M. said:
MorteSphere said:
Since the introduction of Tails, Sonic has failed horribly. They should have stuck with side scrolling.
Somehow, ONE new character that appear in the SECOND game of the ENTIRE franchise has been the sole reason that Sonic games have been lacking in quality?

Didn't IGN say the same Bullshit?

The both of you are basically saying that only the first game was good? Yes, I see perfect logic in that.
Basically I'm saying the first was good and they should have stopped there.
 

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Oh, just kill him off already.

EDIT: Downhill after Sonic 1? Rubbish. Sonic 2, 3, Sonic and Knuckles and Sonic CD were all better than Sonic 1. He started to decline at Sonic Adventure.
 

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Yeah, it's really hard to just turn around and fix a series at the drop of a hat -- when you feel the compulsive need to release a game once every six months.

I mean, HA, we wouldn't want to take our time and do a good job or anything!
 

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At the risk of sounding like a Fanboy (which, I guess I kinda am), it's going to more than just fixing the gameplay; the story and characters need to fix too. I say this because the Archie comic spin-off has shown me and everyone who reads it that you can do a lot with the Sonic mythos in terms of story arcs and character development. The games' version of everyone just feel hollow and one-dimensional compared to the comic, and NO I refuse to say they they need to just suddenly use the comic's continuity because it is it's own world as is the games. Just write the stories a little better so that Sonic is the focus; quit playing up on Shadow's popularity; and overall shoehorning in characters who don't affect the story and just save them for other games.

Now in terms of the actual gameplay, I actually think that Sonic Team have it down on that the games are about Sonic running fast and hitting robots. The problem may actually be time, Sonic 2006 is the proof that SEGA won't hesitate to rush games in production and shorten deadlines. If that's the case, then I would suggest keeping Sonic in hand held games with a console game every once in a while (it works for Kirby) so that way the games are easier to make and not worry about rushing anything, if that makes sense.

I have faith that the next Sonic game will good if not great, so that both the fans and critics can finally shut the fuck up about how Sonic was only good in the 90's (Adventure, Heroes, and Unleashed are better than these asshole let on).
 

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MorteSphere said:
Puppet M. said:
MorteSphere said:
Since the introduction of Tails, Sonic has failed horribly. They should have stuck with side scrolling.
Somehow, ONE new character that appear in the SECOND game of the ENTIRE franchise has been the sole reason that Sonic games have been lacking in quality?

Didn't IGN say the same Bullshit?

The both of you are basically saying that only the first game was good? Yes, I see perfect logic in that.
Basically I'm saying the first was good and they should have stopped there.
I've heard of the phrase "quit while you're ahead" but you're saying they should have quit before they even started. Again, logic at it's best!
 

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I don't care what anyone says, Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 were excellent games and show exactly how Sonic SHOULD be done in 3D. No one honestly gives a shit about Sonic having a near endless amount of friends playable in his games if they contribute meaningfully to the gameplay. And that they did. All the characters, except for Big the Cat, played quite nicely.
 

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Still, Ratcliffe doesn't necessarily think Unleashed was all that bad - while older Sonic fans might have been rather unhappy with the "Werehog" segments, those very same sections were "very well received" by younger children

Oh, so, what? We, the people who grew up with Sonic, should just put up with shit now that we're into 2 digit ages? Fuck those kids, WE were the ones who experienced Sonic when he was very first concieved, WE are the players who matter.
 

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Macgyvercas said:
To quote Yahtzee: "Sonic is done! He's past it! He doesn't need more games, he needs help! Specifically the kind of help that involves taking him behind a shed and tearfully putting both barrels into him confused oblivious little face. Stuff him, mount him, repurpose him as a litter picking device."
wow it took 13 comments for someone to quote that, by far my favorite yahtzee line
 

ActionDan

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Make it 2D and like Sonic 3 & Knuckles, in otherwords, have ONLY Sonic, Tails and Knuckles. 3 Best characters ever, and the best Megadrive game ever. The rest are annoying (especially Amy, I want to hit her with her own pink hammer)