Serious Sam Studio Exec Joins Anti-Windows 8 Chorus

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thesilentman said:
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thesilentman said:
The OS itself is pretty damned sweet and worth the upgrade from XP[footnote]All you XP advocates either upgrade to Windows 7 or this, because the less bloated OS excuse doesn't work anymore.[footnote]Link for proof: [link]http://www.howtogeek.com/128130/htg-explains-why-its-good-that-your-computers-ram-is-full[/link][/footnote][/footnote] or Vista [footnote]You won't be shafted, but for 70 USD, it's a damned fine deal.[/footnote]. It's the implications of what MS wants to do in the future that's worrying people, specifically the developers.

OT- My issue with Windows 8 is Secure Boot, which is a whole 'nother issue. For gaming, Win8 is perfectly fine, even better as Win8 uses less RAM then 7 (we're factoring in the link that's in footnote 2).

Once again, 70 USD to get up to speed on the latest OS, that happens to be where most games are played, isn't that much; if anything, it is a damned fine good deal.
Actually it is 40 USD if you get it by march January.

15 if you got a 7 pc recently
Fix'd for you. I also went by the volume (user disk, not OEM) license of Windows 8 Professional, something I should edit my post to say.

As soon as Dreamscene works, I'm getting it =D
 

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DewMan001 said:
Okay, I'm getting sick and tired of this. It's not going to hurt gaming. Windows 8 is going to do nothing to gaming. You can still run Steam and all of your other games through the desktop portion of Windows 8 and here's a picture of me doing so;
http://dewman001.tumblr.com/image/35185898481

Can we please stop bitching now that Windows 8 is out in the market?
Implications, implications, implications! People don't want MS to become Apple in the next few years, hence mass panic from the gaming industry.
 

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DewMan001 said:
Okay, I'm getting sick and tired of this. It's not going to hurt gaming. Windows 8 is going to do nothing to gaming. You can still run Steam and all of your other games through the desktop portion of Windows 8 and here's a picture of me doing so;
http://dewman001.tumblr.com/image/35185898481

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thesilentman said:
Implications, implications, implications! People don't want MS to become Apple in the next few years, hence mass panic from the gaming industry.
Okay, instead of an anti-Win 8 campaign, how about an anti App Store campaign. Plus I'm fairly sure that Microsoft isn't in any sort of hurry to ditch the desktop area. To do so would not only cause mass outrage from the game industry but would also lead to a mass exodus from the enterprise and business world who need to use Windows to run their business programs.
 

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I still don't get it... personally, I haven't used Win 8 and I'm really not interested in doing so, but my friend tells me that he can install and run each and every single game he has, Steam or not, so... I'm seriously confused, what's the big deal?, is it really necessary to go through the Windows Store to make any software for it?, can't I just install anythin I want and call it a day?, can't anyone just keep making software for Win 7 and add compatibility to Win 8 and bypass their store?...

So many questions and I'm still pretty confused...
 

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DewMan001 said:
thesilentman said:
Implications, implications, implications! People don't want MS to become Apple in the next few years, hence mass panic from the gaming industry.
Okay, instead of an anti-Win 8 campaign, how about an anti App Store campaign. Plus I'm fairly sure that Microsoft isn't in any sort of hurry to ditch the desktop area. To do so would not only cause mass outrage from the game industry but would also lead to a mass exodus from the enterprise and business world who need to use Windows to run their business programs.
The thing is, MS is going for an integration of mobile and desktop computing. The idea is going to take a while to kill in MS. The funny thing is that Linux has an app store too. But Linux's philosophy is 'make a personal system', whereas Windows' is 'the consumer should be able to use this thing without training.' Those two, rather famously, are NOT mutual.

SupahGamuh said:
I still don't get it... personally, I haven't used Win 8 and I'm really not interested in doing so, but my friend tells me that he can install and run each and every single game he has, Steam or not, so... I'm seriously confused, what's the big deal?, is it really necessary to go through the Windows Store to make any software for it?, can't I just install anythin I want and call it a day?, can't anyone just keep making software for Win 7 and add compatibility to Win 8 and bypass their store?...

So many questions and I'm still pretty confused...
The only problem is that many people are having kneejerk reactions that MS is going down Apple's path. For the openness of Win8, it's there, but if you want to make apps that work on a Windows 8 tablet, be prepared to go through the Store. Everything else can be installed the way we're used to on Windows systems.

So for gaming you'll be fine. Not unless MS follows Apple's thinking, which is very unlikely knowing MS' main target: the enterprise and business sector.
 

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SupahGamuh said:
can't anyone just keep making software for Win 7 and add compatibility to Win 8 and bypass their store?...
For now, yes. The concern is that Microsoft may one day break out the black turtle necks and put an end to Windows as an open platform.
 

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thesilentman said:
So for gaming you'll be fine. Not unless MS follows Apple's thinking, which is very unlikely knowing MS' main target: the enterprise and business sector.
That's an important thing to note - microsoft can only close off their OSes so far before it has a major deterimental effect on their core markets.

If too many productivity and business/enterprise software developers/publishers tell MS where to stick their certification they won't be able to fence off their OSes without taking a major hit in the markets they rely on. Hell, just getting into a pissing contest with Autodesk and Adobe alone could cost them their market share in several industries.
 

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Oh hey. Guess what my windows 8 does.

It runs any game.

Guess what else I can do? Pin any shortcut to the start screen. I can even pin shortcut to random files.
You know what i could do with windows 95? all the same you mentioned.

Windows 8 is an attempt to copy IOS, the worst OS for general usage.
 

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Strazdas said:
Windows 8 is an attempt to copy IOS, the worst OS for general usage.
The funny thing is, iOS is still shit when it comes to the functionality. Compare the iPad and a tablet running the full version of Windows 8. MS gets money for that alone, the ability to install applications not in the store and to productively work on it, something I've wanted for years.
 

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Wait wait. People are calling this guy dumb for saying this? People were practically making flags and waving them out in their yards when Gabe Newell said the same damn thing.
Funny how that works, eh?

And as Ladavac made clear, the problem isn't what Windows 8 is doing right now - it's what it or some successor might do in the future if Microsoft continues moving toward the "walled garden." Everyone calling him an idiot would do well to remember that he's not some random crank, and he's not alone.
 

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I've got a free license from my college that I've been considering installing. From what I hear the transition is seamless and leaves everything intact. It would be a shame for me to lose the custom desktop I recently created...

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e259/geneyusskev/Deusexdesktop.jpg?t=1352267906

I'm not one to jump on hate bandwagons, I'm just unsure of what surprises I will experience when I do upgrade.
 

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Andy Chalk said:
jollybarracuda said:
Wait wait. People are calling this guy dumb for saying this? People were practically making flags and waving them out in their yards when Gabe Newell said the same damn thing.
Funny how that works, eh?

And as Ladavac made clear, the problem isn't what Windows 8 is doing right now - it's what it or some successor might do in the future if Microsoft continues moving toward the "walled garden."
Yes, exactly. Windows 8 itself isn't the problem (except certification), it's the possible trend it represents that has people concerned enough that they're speaking up now before a any possible closed system Windows is released as a fait accompli and it's too late to do anything about it. I like to think of it as preventative bitching.
 

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OK, so if Windows is bad for the consumer or not is up to preference. Some of us are going to love what Windows 8 offers, some are going to hate it and some wont care that much.

Now few of us are actually making games here so we don't have to look too closely at how Windows 8 is from that point of view. Gabe Newell, Notch and this guy probably have looked over it in detail in order to see what OS they are supporting/not supporting and the conditions on it.

How call me a Windows 8 hater all you want (I am planning to upgrade 2 of my computers during Christmas to run it) if that's what you think I am, but when you say that Windows 8 wont be bad for gaming, did you consider the fact that they might lose support from some big names due to their policy good or bad?
 

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Andy Chalk said:
jollybarracuda said:
Wait wait. People are calling this guy dumb for saying this? People were practically making flags and waving them out in their yards when Gabe Newell said the same damn thing.
Funny how that works, eh?

And as Ladavac made clear, the problem isn't what Windows 8 is doing right now - it's what it or some successor might do in the future if Microsoft continues moving toward the "walled garden." Everyone calling him an idiot would do well to remember that he's not some random crank, and he's not alone.
I don't know. I think it's funnier that many of the people I hear lately commenting on how stupid it is to complain about something that might happen in the future are the same people I've seen constantly ***** about some monopolistic, sinister turn Steam might take in the future.

I guess hypocrisy is a common bedfellow now-a-days.

Anyway, you're right. Calling Ladavac and the others "idiots" over their statements is a bit of a knee-jerk response. These are people who, generally speaking, have their fingers on the pulse of the gaming industry. To simply dismiss their concerns because we don't quite share them might not be wise.
 

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All of the freakout against Windows 8 and the Store is nothing short of pure speculation. Slippery slope at its best.

Windows 8 works great with everything that i've run with it.

How about this...

IF Microsoft decides to actually go down the road of self castration, which I doubt will happen... THEN we can respond accordingly and abandon ship from the operating system.

Until then? Let's stop with the conspiracy theories. Because that's all stuff like this is... panic associated with something that hasn't happened yet and likely won't happen at all.
 

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jollybarracuda said:
Wait wait. People are calling this guy dumb for saying this? People were practically making flags and waving them out in their yards when Gabe Newell said the same damn thing. I don't get it. I guess if it's Valve, it must be a message from the gods or something.
Imagine if someone from EA had said it. Everyone would be championing Windows 8.
 

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well, i just stick with my win 7. no rush for me to get 8 anyway. i just keep an eye out what MS has in mind.
 

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Frostbite3789 said:
jollybarracuda said:
Wait wait. People are calling this guy dumb for saying this? People were practically making flags and waving them out in their yards when Gabe Newell said the same damn thing. I don't get it. I guess if it's Valve, it must be a message from the gods or something.
Imagine if someone from EA had said it. Everyone would be championing Windows 8.
Naw, people would be having strokes from cognitive dissonance.