Sexism against men

[Haratu]

I have met many fathers who are often criticised when going out with their daughters without the mother for being child molesters and so forth, one even got kicked out of a public park for simply taking a photo of his daughter playing in the park. It is just as common for women to molest children as it is for men to molest children (well, at least where I am it is), yet people have a problem with a man and his daughter but not a woman and her son.

If people want men to step up and be great fathers and take a role in life, especially if a woman is to be working as well. it seems society wants woman to take on traditional men's jobs but is unwilling to let men take on some of the traditional women's jobs. How is that equality?

 

[retyopy]

I have met many fathers who are often criticised when going out with their daughters without the mother for being child molesters and so forth, one even got kicked out of a public park for simply taking a photo of his daughter playing in the park. It is just as common for women to molest children as it is for men to molest children, yet people have a problem with a man and his daughter but not a woman and her son.

If people want men to step up and be great fathers and take a role in life, especially if a woman is to be working as well. it seems society wants woman to take on traditional men's jobs but is unwilling to let men take on some of the traditional women's jobs. How is that equality?

I apologize in advance for this.

True Dat!

 

[Andothul]

How can a women rape a man, they wouldn't be har, and if they were it wouldn't be rape.

The level of ignorance of male anatomy in this statement boggles my mind.

 

[inquisiti0n]

God, I can't believe they said something so stupid. Seriously, physical strength =/= a good thing, nor does it =/= a bad thing. It just is.

Most females are more flexible and agile than most males, does that make them better? No it makes them different.

Different =/= better or worse it = different.

Why is so much of humanity so intolerably stupid?

Who exactly are you referring to when you say "they?"

 

[Panda Mania]

HOWEVER, dear sir/madam, keep in mind that the vast majority (and I do mean vast--I'm speaking on a global scale here) of situations involve men marginalizing women. Think not of the petty lawsuits of favoritism here ("she's only the boss 'cause she's a woman!"), but of the dire conditions of millions of women around the world--women suffering economic oppression and brutal gender-based violence. Until this world finally, finally comes to treat women as equal, I think the focus should be on empowering women. Not to say that cases of "reverse-sexism" should be ignored, no, not at all, but they shouldn't be the thing people get outraged about. Visit Pakistan and Chad and Egypt and India and then tell me who needs justice.

While it's undeniable that women in such countries face real issues, it's a mistake to defer to feminism in thinking that that's what they need most. What they require are basic human rights, because in reality, the lives of men there aren't much better.


Alot of "female empowerment" policies are simply financial handouts. For example, most western universities have female-only scholarships for STEM programs. Is it realistic to expect men to see their female peers as equal when they're being handed money for basically having a vagina? I mean really, is that gonna help people see each other as equals? Not to mention that the justification of such scholarships even existing is incredibly weak and laughable.

Wait, hold on, I wasn't talking about here...I was talking about over in Third World countries, where any kind of scholarship is rare since...well, education itself is scarce.

Men don't have it much better? *shuffles feet* Well...Eh, I guess by our standards, it all looks pretty terrible. But if you lower your perspective and look at the society on its own, women do not have the same rights as men do. Not in a "oh, they're just different rights" way, but in a "their worth is less than that of men" way. And human rights is the answer to such a society, but a part of human rights is about equality and equal opportunity, and that includes the equality of the sexes.

Feminism needs a new name. -_- It's causing more problems and misunderstandings now than solutions.

And in answer to your "handouts" point...Yes, many policies about empowerment, period (not just female) are unfortunately more of a "throw money at 'em!" nature. That's why smart, shrewd people come up with aid that seeks to help people help themselves. That's how you can tell a good humanitarian aid organization from a bad one.

 

[Haratu]

For those pointing out women are different then there are several generalisations that are useful:

Women are better at:
organising
Mathematics (not applied)
Have heavier brains (implications unknown)
Immune system (resist disease better)
Genetic disease (less genetic disease in women)

Men are better at:
Physical Strength
Applied mathematics
Spatial awareness (3D orientation)

Apart from those there are several social skills that are handled different, but whether one is better than another is highly debatable since males and females deal with them differently based upon culture.

 

[Screamarie]

I get the whole issue and yes there is inequality. Yes, it is horrible that men get raped and yes, we need more attention to it, but there has to be at least some male ego in the fact that male rape isn't reported. Considering the general mindset of America and how they view men, what man is going to actually stand up and have written in a paper or broadcasted on TV that "A woman overpowered me, beat me, and raped me" It's sad, it shouldn't have to happen, but it's true. I'm not saying it's all men's fault, I'm just saying that there are other reasons for it.

Feminism has gotten out of hand. There are plenty of women who use feminism to keep men down, thinking that it's somehow vindication because of what happened in the past. I don't agree with these women and I think they're using their gender to get their way. But there is still good in feminism, not every woman out there takes it too far to the point where anything against a female is considered offensive, there are still men out there that believe that feminism was a tragedy and that women should be still in the kitchen, so there is still use for it.

What you're getting upset about is getting more and more attention and it will change, but given time.

And even more than that...you're getting upset about a commercial. Think about it. Girls win against boys, boys win against girls, in cartoons and commercials all the time. It's a commercial garnered to get young girls to buy shoes that will get them to beat boys in sports. Young girls that think boys drool and girls rule. I think your reading a little too much into advertising.

 

[retyopy]

I think this thread has gone to bad, bad places. please don't hold me responsible for anything anybody says here.

 

[OmniscientOstrich]

Yeah, except no one has said that men have it as bad as or worse than women, people are just specifically talking about issues of sexism that men face, and then you decided to condescend all the men who've been raped, all the men who've been fucked in divorce courts and all the men who've suffered domestic abuse by just telling them to deal with it because women have it so much tougher. You really do make me feel ill.

No I did not tell the men who had to face those atrocities to deal with it. I told the people who have never had to face any such discrimination of this manner, who feel the need to defend the rights of their gender regardless of their privilaged position (I guarantee you it is ALWAYS males complaining about this) and who think that political correctness, progressive attitudes and feminism are creating more or causing the ignorance of more descrimination towars our gender. Those people and only those people I firmly told to deal with it.

 

[Panda Mania]

I only support Feminism in developing countries.
I support Egalitarianism in developed countries.

I like that philosophy.

 

[Sariteiya]

I certainly feel there are huge double standards at work nowadays. Men are portrayed as stupid, boorish, violent and oversexed. Rape against men is funny, etc.

However, I really don't feel like men should feel these stereotypes are all women's fault. Consider that a lot of shows and media that perpetuate these views are produced by men or written by men. I think it's less of a "female conspiracy", and rather an unattractive habit of society in general.

 

[Booradlee]

Who exactly are you referring to when you say "they?"

I think to fully explain first it must be understood that the word 'You' can be used in the plural.

Our mutual speaker was referring to the person who spoke in the plural, but not speaking directly to them to show his disdain for what they said.

It is not incorrect to refer to one person as a 'they'. Particularly when speaking in the Gender neutral.

 

[inquisiti0n]

Men don't have it much better? *shuffles feet* Well...Eh, I guess by our standards, it all looks pretty terrible. But if you lower your perspective and look at the society on its own, women do not have the same rights as men do. Not in a "oh, they're just different rights" way, but in a "their worth is less than that of men" way. And human rights is the answer to such a society, but a part of human rights is about equality and equal opportunity, and that includes the equality of the sexes.

I think saying that "more" rights automatically means they have it better is kind of shallow. Working conditions in third countries are terrible, though the ones working the worst jobs there are usually the men. Men also have far more responsibility, both in and out of the family, and generally face more stress. Not to mention that third world countries have a lot of wars and conflicts, which are almost exclusively fought by men. And stuff like conscription, etc.

Again, I would never make a broad statement that either sex undeniably has it worse than the other, I just think you're vastly oversimplifying it if you're only looking at rights.

 

[ItsAChiaotzu]

Yeah, except no one has said that men have it as bad as or worse than women, people are just specifically talking about issues of sexism that men face, and then you decided to condescend all the men who've been raped, all the men who've been fucked in divorce courts and all the men who've suffered domestic abuse by just telling them to deal with it because women have it so much tougher. You really do make me feel ill.

No I did not tell the men who had to face those atrocities to deal with it. I told the people who have never had to face any such discrimination of this manner, who feel the need to defend the rights of their gender regardless of their privilaged position (I guarantee you it is ALWAYS males complaining about this) and who think that political correctness, progressive attitudes and feminism are creating more or causing the ignorance of more descrimination towars our gender. Those people and only those people I firmly told to deal with it.

Seriously, every time you post you just sound more evil, it's scary.
I mean, because how fucking dare someone who hasn't been abused try to stick up for people who have, the fucking nerve. Ugh, I'm done, I don't wanna get banned talking to you.

 

[retyopy]

Yeah, except no one has said that men have it as bad as or worse than women, people are just specifically talking about issues of sexism that men face, and then you decided to condescend all the men who've been raped, all the men who've been fucked in divorce courts and all the men who've suffered domestic abuse by just telling them to deal with it because women have it so much tougher. You really do make me feel ill.

No I did not tell the men who had to face those atrocities to deal with it. I told the people who have never had to face any such discrimination of this manner, who feel the need to defend the rights of their gender regardless of their privilaged position (I guarantee you it is ALWAYS males complaining about this) and who think that political correctness, progressive attitudes and feminism are creating more or causing the ignorance of more descrimination towars our gender. Those people and only those people I firmly told to deal with it.

Except it's not always males. I've experienced woman saying that the way other woman are treated by men in other countries is awful, all the while sitting on a comfortable couch, watching tv.

 

[Navvan]

The truth is there is sexism against men, and no it isn't right. The reason you don't hear about it is because its not that much of an issue currently. What I mean by this is that when there is sexism against men its not an issue for the standing for men as a whole. Men are generally hold the most control of a business, society and proportionately more influence/power due to historic repression of women. Is that changing due to the feminist movement? Yes, but we aren't at equality yet.

The examples you gave are only "loosely" sexist. Both the movie (two guys get helped by a girl) and the commercial aren't so much a downplay of men as they are an appeal to the underdog. In those scenarios it was expected for the men to win/help the girl because something to that effect is what is normally portrayed in media. Thus by having the females win they make it an underdog story.

The problem with people ignoring male sexism (and I'm talking more signifigant that the underdog stories) is that some day it might actually become a problem. In 100-200 years we may actually have developed a proportionately equal society in terms of power distribution between the sexes and if male sexism at that time is continued to be ignored the roles may become reversed. I'm not really worried about it though as I think once power distribution is equalized sexism won't be much of an issue for either side.

 

[retyopy]

I certainly feel there are huge double standards at work nowadays. Men are portrayed as stupid, boorish, violent and oversexed. Rape against men is funny, etc.

However, I really don't feel like men should feel these stereotypes are all women's fault. Consider that a lot of shows and media that perpetuate these views are produced by men or written by men. I think it's less of a "female conspiracy", and rather an unattractive habit of society in general.

but we aren't blaming women, were in hell did you get THAT?

 

[inquisiti0n]

...of their privilaged position...

...well, you've definitely internalized everything you learned from feminism 101 huh


oh the privilege system, so intricate with all its complexities.
+1 point for being an ethnic minority.
+1 point for being a woman.
x3 point multiplier bonus for being gay.

 

[retyopy]

Yeah, except no one has said that men have it as bad as or worse than women, people are just specifically talking about issues of sexism that men face, and then you decided to condescend all the men who've been raped, all the men who've been fucked in divorce courts and all the men who've suffered domestic abuse by just telling them to deal with it because women have it so much tougher. You really do make me feel ill.

No I did not tell the men who had to face those atrocities to deal with it. I told the people who have never had to face any such discrimination of this manner, who feel the need to defend the rights of their gender regardless of their privilaged position (I guarantee you it is ALWAYS males complaining about this) and who think that political correctness, progressive attitudes and feminism are creating more or causing the ignorance of more descrimination towars our gender. Those people and only those people I firmly told to deal with it.

Seriously, every time you post you just sound more evil, it's scary.
I mean, because how fucking dare someone who hasn't been abused try to stick up for people who have, the fucking nerve. Ugh, I'm done, I don't wanna get banned talking to you.

If you get banned for that, then I will ban myself.

 

[Booradlee]

I only support Feminism in developing countries.
I support Egalitarianism in developed countries.

I like that philosophy.

Thank you. I am am very supportive of women's suffrage, especially in the 1950's.

I just feel there comes a time where simply empowering one side stops helping. All people should be empowered to an extent, but equality will not be reached by pumping all sides with social steroids.

(this is me defining a problem, and hoping that's the same as helping solve a problem)