Sexsim: have the tables actually turned?

[AdumbroDeus]

Most of the issues that men have in modern society are a direct result of the fact that oppressive attitudes towards women are still omnipresent.

 

[masterbazza]

i feel like this should be mentioned.
they banned men sitting next to children. No joke.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10357510

 

[orangeban]

7 times more likely to commit suicide

Uh, not actually true. Women are more likely to attempt suicide, but men are more likely to succeed. Which is a bit odd, but the theory as to why is that women tend to go for options like medication overdose where as men seem to prefer stuff like hanging, the latter of which tends to be less easily survived.

so... men are more likely to commit suicide...

Well kind of, but not because of some great sexism against men (though it could be argued that the more lethal method of suicide employed by men is the fault of the accepted image of masculinity but that'd take some proof). Men are more miserable, they are simply better at killing themselves.

 

[Kije]

I hate to be the guy to do this but...

Just sayin' bro.

 

[orangeban]

i feel like this should be mentioned.
they banned men sitting next to children. No joke.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10357510

What a strange article, accusing supposed "political correctness gawn mad!" of not being politically correct enough (e.g. being discriminatory). I guess it stems from differing definitions of political correctness.

Still, absurd policy.

 

[StoneCutter]

Last year I took an AP LA class, which was for the most part really boring. But one of the better articles we read was "The End of Men", which talked about how women are in many cases becoming better off than men, and how the trend is continuing. I would definitely recommend it to anyone interested in the subject.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/07/the-end-of-men/8135/

 

[oppp7]

I certainly dont think anyone can say its universally easier or harder to be a man or a woman, but there is certainly a lot of unacknowledged sexism directed at men these days.

No, we aren't. Women still have to deal with shit that men don't have to, and you can't say the same about the opposite. I have no idea why everyone on the internet is so against feminism.

Because of feminazis. I know the movement, as a whole, demands equality, but them dumbshits are looking for supremacy.

Anyway, getting a job as an engineer (especially electrical engineering) is much easier as a woman. This is an unfortunate problem that we currently face.

Being the lazy, never-had-a-summer-job bastard that I am, I don't know much about affirmative action and all that, but is it really worse than having a worse biological setup (periods, pregnancy...), more prone to receiving violence (rape, spousal abuse...), and several other things I could mention, but am too lazy to elaborate on(lower income, larger share of housework, media problems, more strict social standards)?

This is pretty much what im talking about, because men have nowhere to turn when they are sexually or physically abused by a partner it keeps the rates down and since the rates stay low they can justify not having options for them. someone here has already mentioned the reaction to an abused man having his penis cut off when he tried to obtain a divorce.
You can very much say the same about the opposite, in the western world men rarely have even a basic medical knowledge of their anatomy and usually have a better understanding of womens periods than any number of serious medical issues that can happen to them, men face more violence, more poverty, more abuse then women and systematically have less legal recourse in almost every category. men make up 98% of workplace fatalities are 7 times more likely to commit suicide and are the sole victims of paternity fraud, which is especially discussing with the current "liability theory of sperm" being used that more than once has been used to force a man to pay his rapist to care for the child the act conceived.

Sources? (I used Wikipedia)

 

[Boaan]

Just a short thing I'd like to add: while I agree that women do have it quite bad in some situations, I don't think any woman can say they're afraid of being in a serious relationship in countries like US or Canada just because of how the system can favor the opposing sex in a situation of a breakup or divorce.

 

[Daddy Go Bot]

Last year I took an AP LA class, which was for the most part really boring. But one of the better articles we read was "The End of Men", which talked about how women are in many cases becoming better off than men, and how the trend is continuing. I would definitely recommend it to anyone interested in the subject.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/07/the-end-of-men/8135/

Men are still main-doers in the world, and still the ones who maintain it. IF men as a whole would become redundant it would be because of our own actions and creations.

Women are pretty good at adapting to the world men create, but that's pretty much where it stops.

 

[Thaluikhain]

No. Women aren't as oppressed as they used to be, but that hardly means that men are being oppressed by women, it's not an either/or situation. Feminism is about equality, not dominance.

However, people do not give up privilege lightly. If you believe that men should dominate women, that's it's just the way things are/should be, that it's to your personal benefit, than changing the status quo in favour of equality is going to seem frightening and dangerous.

Rights movements do not "win" when one groupcollectively says to themself "Oh, yeah, we've been a bit of a dick, we should stop doing that and be nice to people", they "win" when one group is forced kicking and screaming to treat others as equals.

And...I'd challenge anyone to honestly say that, after growing up in this society, that there's no part of them that's never thought that men are better than women, that homosexuals are unnatural, that PoC are subhuman, whatever. Everyone has been influenced by our culture to favour inequality, the trick is to recognise this and work against it.

 

[jawakiller]

Biggest source of inequality among the sexes? One word: Boobs.

They have them, we don't.

You can have them if you want to let some screaming, squirming hungry little wrinkly spawn suck them dry.

Why you so mean to nerds? They don't know any better.

 

[Orks da best]

reverse sexism i.e. double standards, either way they need to go, like...right...about...now!

 

[Hamburger_Time]

Wow, I never knew that I am currently living under the jackboot of a feminazi gynocracy!

 

[BRex21]

Sources? (I used Wikipedia)

Okay from a previous post on domestic violence:
http://www.patientedu.org/aspx/HealthELibrary/HealthETopic.aspx?cid=M0907d
and here is a press release with pie charts
http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/content/42/15/31.2.full
Here is a list of a few hundred studies breaking down the numbers, you can look up individual ones if you like, but the researchers broke it down and said that almost all studies showed women were at least as aggressive if not more so.
http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm
and here is a different study finding women more often the aggressors
http://ajph.aphapublications.org/cgi/reprint/97/5/941
If you're still not convinced i suggest you read some of Erin Pizzey's work, a woman who founded some of the first women's shelters and who found that many of the women there were just as violent as the men they left. She was kicked out of her feminist organizations and subjected to death threats for saying this.
Yet rulings like this: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_FyA4HAXVGIJ:www.law.berkeley.edu/files/BlumhorstAmicusBrief.doc+nomas+files+amicus+brief+blumhorst&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
pop up all over the states and the western world stating that since violence against men is a non issue womens shelters don't need to follow the law and admit men all the while ignoring that they aren't willing to spend any additional money for new shelter based on budget shortfalls.

I grabbed this link from one of my other forums, it contains the clip from the talk where they say an abused man deserved to have his penis cut off for trying to leave his wife. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP4VeMJp9pE&feature=player_embedded

Here is a case file where a boy was, by the legal definition, raped http://www.lawlink.com/research/caselevel3/74059 naturally he is the only one who will face the possibility of jail time. I have more cases I can grab if you like.

 

[thehorror2]

The tables have most certainly NOT turned. Now things are even worse than they were before because while we haven't really ended sexism against women, we've now got sexism going the other way as well. (Against men, and positive discrimination in favor of women. Comes through a lot in stereotypes. Try and count the number of commercials/sitcoms/movies in which the woman is portrayed as being superior to her husband/boyfriend/every male in the commercial. Now count how many of those commercials are for cleaning products/sitcoms with the woman in a more "traditional" role/movies are comedies.)


/le depressed.

 

[v3n0mat3]

All I'm saying is that my cute female friend got a job at GameStop, and I, more qualified than her, got passed up. Constantly. Yeah.

I love you girls, I really do. But, Christ, I need a job...

 

[Daddy Go Bot]

Wow, I never knew that I am currently living under the jackboot of a feminazi gynocracy!

Ah yes, the good ol' shaming tactics. Might wanna try something new?

 

[Vault101]

There never was a table to begin with. But ever since feminists introduced it, men have been shafted by it ever since.

EDIT- Christ in a handbasket, so many uniformed feminists and manginas in here I don't even know where to fucking BEGIN. Holy hell.

there kind of was.....

by "table" I mean back then..well in alot of ways it sucked to be a women
-it was harder to have a career, you were pretty much expected to find a man and pop out some babies...and HE is better than you!
-you would be look down upon for doing anything different...or god forbid want to do somthing in a feild dominated by men
- and if you want to go back even further than that you were an inferior species, and had little to no rights whats so ever

or some it up Trix style "silly woman! doing things is for MEN!"

of coarse things are pretty good now, jut saying not so much back then, now days its a much less black and white issue

 

[drisky]

Work place wise, women have it harder. Socially men have it harder, as both genders tend to prefer their female friends. Thats the biggest break down I think. Basically women have a harder time being respected, men have a harder time being liked. There is all sorts of trade offs with double standards these days its hard to measure other then opinions of which affects you more personally.

 

[Vault101]

I certainly dont think anyone can say its universally easier or harder to be a man or a woman, but there is certainly a lot of unacknowledged sexism directed at men these days.

No, we aren't. Women still have to deal with shit that men don't have to, and you can't say the same about the opposite. I have no idea why everyone on the internet is so against feminism.

Because of feminazis. I know the movement, as a whole, demands equality, but them dumbshits are looking for supremacy.

Anyway, getting a job as an engineer (especially electrical engineering) is much easier as a woman. This is an unfortunate problem that we currently face.

Being the lazy, never-had-a-summer-job bastard that I am, I don't know much about affirmative action and all that, but is it really worse than having a worse biological setup (periods, pregnancy...), more prone to receiving violence (rape, spousal abuse...), and several other things I could mention, but am too lazy to elaborate on(lower income, larger share of housework, media problems, more strict social standards)?

This is pretty much what im talking about, because men have nowhere to turn when they are sexually or physically abused by a partner it keeps the rates down and since the rates stay low they can justify not having options for them. someone here has already mentioned the reaction to an abused man having his penis cut off when he tried to obtain a divorce.
You can very much say the same about the opposite, in the western world men rarely have even a basic medical knowledge of their anatomy and usually have a better understanding of womens periods than any number of serious medical issues that can happen to them, men face more violence, more poverty, more abuse then women and systematically have less legal recourse in almost every category. men make up 98% of workplace fatalities are 7 times more likely to commit suicide and are the sole victims of paternity fraud, which is especially disgusting with the current "liability theory of sperm" being used that more than once has been used to force a man to pay his rapist to care for the child the act conceived.

while I dont disagree with your points, the "98% of workplace fatalities are men" thing I think dosnt have much to do with sexism,

but more that men are more likely going to do jobs that are risky, such as working around machenery, contruction sites, dangerous chemicals (mining) and such where there is more room for error

unlike say an office where the biggest risk is impaling yourself with the stapler