Women should exercise responsibility and wisdom regardless, in all situations. So should men.
Sexual harassment and rape allegations rapidly being fired off against various streamers
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pro-tip: The quote in my previous post. Possibly elsewhere as well but definitely there.
Just because you didn't specifically say the exact words doesn't mean you didn't say it through meaning. Playing semantic games because you're called out on your nonsense is laughable and just makes you look worse.
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New allegations
A female Competitive Smash player (24) is accused of raping (in this case sex with some-one who can't legally consent) a 14 year old male fan / member of the smash community
The president of Evo who previously said Dead or Alive 6 didn't reflect Evo's core values has been accused of grooming young boys.
Now back to replying to stuff.
Carrying on the analogy if I have no shoes on am I supposed to run out onto a gravel drive in the rain without shoes?
What if I've left my coat with my car keys in it? Am I suppose to then just leave it at yours and walk home however far it is and get a locksmith when I get there because my house keys are inside.
There's also the case that when you're actually coming your body basically has a response that you're only going to go forward you're not going to pull back as such once you've passed the point of now return as such.
I mean I worry about quite where the cut off is. Are people meant to be the Bruce Lee of sex and be able to stop mid thrust within 0.1 seconds or will there be reasonable allowance given to finish the thrust already being done?
To be clear:
No I'm not saying dressed a certain way will cause rape anymore than dressing a certain colour means they're to blame because a murderer who is sent into fits of murderous rage killed them for wearing a purple dress.
I am saying don't create opportunity for the monsters to strike:
Don't leave drinks unattended.
Normalise and accept the use of drink testing strips more.
Don't walk home alone at night after a night out. Especially not down dark alleys.
Look after friends when drinking and try to nominate 1 person each time (changing each time) to be the responsible one who doesn't get completely plastered. Yes it will mean 1 person having less fun but it will mean some-one trying to look out for everyone else or you know agree not to get completely shitfaced.
Don't get into and don't let friends get into unlicensed minicabs
Carry rape ink or pepper spray or a rape alarm.
A female Competitive Smash player (24) is accused of raping (in this case sex with some-one who can't legally consent) a 14 year old male fan / member of the smash community
The president of Evo who previously said Dead or Alive 6 didn't reflect Evo's core values has been accused of grooming young boys.
Now back to replying to stuff.
See there is a line there however if you ask me to leave and then get mad / try to have me charged with trespassing because I don't immediately run out the door in whatever state I'm in there is an issue.
Carrying on the analogy if I have no shoes on am I supposed to run out onto a gravel drive in the rain without shoes?
What if I've left my coat with my car keys in it? Am I suppose to then just leave it at yours and walk home however far it is and get a locksmith when I get there because my house keys are inside.
There's also the case that when you're actually coming your body basically has a response that you're only going to go forward you're not going to pull back as such once you've passed the point of now return as such.
I mean I worry about quite where the cut off is. Are people meant to be the Bruce Lee of sex and be able to stop mid thrust within 0.1 seconds or will there be reasonable allowance given to finish the thrust already being done?
I take the stance women should take precautions when out and about becomes millennium of trying to teach people not to Kill hasn't stopped murders. There will always be monsters out there and trying to appeal to their empathy doesn't sound like it will be a very successful strategy.
To be clear:
No I'm not saying dressed a certain way will cause rape anymore than dressing a certain colour means they're to blame because a murderer who is sent into fits of murderous rage killed them for wearing a purple dress.
I am saying don't create opportunity for the monsters to strike:
Don't leave drinks unattended.
Normalise and accept the use of drink testing strips more.
Don't walk home alone at night after a night out. Especially not down dark alleys.
Look after friends when drinking and try to nominate 1 person each time (changing each time) to be the responsible one who doesn't get completely plastered. Yes it will mean 1 person having less fun but it will mean some-one trying to look out for everyone else or you know agree not to get completely shitfaced.
Don't get into and don't let friends get into unlicensed minicabs
Carry rape ink or pepper spray or a rape alarm.
Ideally, yes.
But how people explain how responsibilities work tends to say a lot. In practice, any mutually-engaged activity tends to involve responsibilities for involved parties. But when you read people commenting on occasions where things have gone wrong, you can see people loading the criticism in certain directions. Ultimately any crime victim is first and foremost the victim, and the ultimate blame lies on the shoulders of the perpetrator. One may point out shortcomings in the conduct of the victim, but I think care should be taken to ensure this is not to the point of excusing the perpetrator.
At least, assuming that extreme provocation or incitement by the victim is not involved, anyway.
I want to hear what Agema means, not someone that will blatantly lie about what I said.
Exactly right.
If you can't handle being called out for rape apologism, maybe don't write posts defending rape and blaming victims.
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Before the "I never did that" claim:
Sexual harassment and rape allegations rapidly being fired off against various streamers
Again, you are assuming they actually do their job, that just isn't the case, especially when someone powerful is involved, and they definitely don't give a shit about marginalised communities other than for the purpose of heading there when they need to meet infraction quotas, or when they feel...
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Sexual harassment and rape allegations rapidly being fired off against various streamers
Again, you are assuming they actually do their job, that just isn't the case, especially when someone powerful is involved, and they definitely don't give a shit about marginalised communities other than for the purpose of heading there when they need to meet infraction quotas, or when they feel...
forums.escapistmagazine.com
and if we include "liked" posts:
Sexual harassment and rape allegations rapidly being fired off against various streamers
Again, you are assuming they actually do their job, that just isn't the case, especially when someone powerful is involved, and they definitely don't give a shit about marginalised communities other than for the purpose of heading there when they need to meet infraction quotas, or when they feel...
forums.escapistmagazine.com
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I may read most of the comments later, but until then here is my take.
1. its about 93-94% of these cases that come forward are factual and legitimate. I have been on the small percentage of false accusation, and still believe this. This number is only a fraction of what normally comes forward, and even smaller when it comes to men. The former because there are still plenty of places in the so called developed world that will victim blame, slut shame said victims, come up with excuses as to how they should have been trying to not get rapped rather than, you know, telling rapists don't rape. Also still romanticized with the Bodice Ripper and 50 Shades. For anything assigned male at birth and stayed that way, guy gets rape is still a joke in movies and television and even less likely to be believed.
2. Yes there are bad faith accusers, always have been, in the same way there are bad faith everything else. Because of this you get all the information, and judge it from there or you get a situation like Johnny Depp where the world denounced him as an abuser and its just now we go: Ohhh, he was the abused."
3. As seen with the likes of JewWarrio, Russell Simmons, Vic Mignogna and others that have been outed as monsters that it is the one you least expect. Another reason to wait until all the evidence proves otherwise, wait and see.
Overall, I am not surprised. People get too used to the admiration and the money and it gets to their heads. This is but one symptom of it.
On the other hand you have always had those dude-bro types that seems to think no means yes, and yes means anal, be it a college fraternity or a gamer. The fame and money just made it easier to find their prey, willing or otherwise.
1. its about 93-94% of these cases that come forward are factual and legitimate. I have been on the small percentage of false accusation, and still believe this. This number is only a fraction of what normally comes forward, and even smaller when it comes to men. The former because there are still plenty of places in the so called developed world that will victim blame, slut shame said victims, come up with excuses as to how they should have been trying to not get rapped rather than, you know, telling rapists don't rape. Also still romanticized with the Bodice Ripper and 50 Shades. For anything assigned male at birth and stayed that way, guy gets rape is still a joke in movies and television and even less likely to be believed.
2. Yes there are bad faith accusers, always have been, in the same way there are bad faith everything else. Because of this you get all the information, and judge it from there or you get a situation like Johnny Depp where the world denounced him as an abuser and its just now we go: Ohhh, he was the abused."
3. As seen with the likes of JewWarrio, Russell Simmons, Vic Mignogna and others that have been outed as monsters that it is the one you least expect. Another reason to wait until all the evidence proves otherwise, wait and see.
Overall, I am not surprised. People get too used to the admiration and the money and it gets to their heads. This is but one symptom of it.
On the other hand you have always had those dude-bro types that seems to think no means yes, and yes means anal, be it a college fraternity or a gamer. The fame and money just made it easier to find their prey, willing or otherwise.
For the record Vic has so far contested the allegations and is still going through the court alleging defamation and the evidence against him isn't holding up.
E.G. a photo of Vic allegedly in charge of running a school play has the school having no record of Vic working there and photos presented weeks after the alleged play appearance show Vic with months worth of hair growth like going from a quite short cut to shoulder length suggesting the person in the photo is not Vic.
The picture of him with a fan that was claimed as unwelcome physical contact has seen the fan in question come forward and say the allegation is bullshit, she was 18 at the time and the trip was a present from her parents, her mother was holding the camera and she asked vic to hug her etc.
The only one not thoroughly debunked so far was Jamie's hotel room claims and even then her supposed star witness said he recalled nothing of what she claimed happening and if what she claimed had happened did he'd have remembered it.
late to the party I know as I am somewhat new around here but 14 times in one day? You are going to kill your guy. Sorry, bad joke I know, but couldn't resist.
That just means you have to be creative.... and orgasms don’t have to go tit for tat
So why was the defamation suit he brought against his accusers dismissed as a SLAPP suit?
Will take that under advisement. Worse case scenario I guess it's a good way to go out lol.
Problem with that the dismissal is being contested due to the seeming appearance based on all that happened that the judge didn't fully comprehend the case also evidence has emerged that some of the people in the case against him are convicted domestic abusers.
Oh and the anime company may have donated to the judge's re-election campaign.......
Reading some of the last few posts and now time for Sex Ed from a Mormon. And in no particular order...
You can orgasim while being RAPPED! Just because you don't want to but there is the motions in the nether region that is hyper sensitive to sensation and will act accordingly. This is one of the many reasons victims have issues as this is supposed to be a healthy part of being human, and a wonderful part of the human experiences and twisted it into something ugly. Biological females in general have this more so as men, some theorized to prevent much of the damage the unwanted event will cause.
Yes, women CAN have a higher sex drive, but not always, and in many areas this is discouraged. Man can be virulent as they damn well please, but whore and slut get thrown around or used in villainous characters.
To use a Warhammer example, the handful of female minis on the High Elf side were clothed, females on the wood elves was just as clothed or lack thereof as the males, but a female was pretty stripperific save for a handful of minies (namly 6th edd spearmen). But the casters looked dressed like they came out of a something closer to a harem out of Arabian Nights than a Land of Ice and Snow; the witch elves are berserkers with no armor, and the one noble model looked like an escaped slave girl compared compared to the male equivalents.
As for Vic, a after looking up his various court hearings, a number of them didn't go his way, so while we might have to wait and see, it looks like its leaning closer to rappy territory.
You can orgasim while being RAPPED! Just because you don't want to but there is the motions in the nether region that is hyper sensitive to sensation and will act accordingly. This is one of the many reasons victims have issues as this is supposed to be a healthy part of being human, and a wonderful part of the human experiences and twisted it into something ugly. Biological females in general have this more so as men, some theorized to prevent much of the damage the unwanted event will cause.
Yes, women CAN have a higher sex drive, but not always, and in many areas this is discouraged. Man can be virulent as they damn well please, but whore and slut get thrown around or used in villainous characters.
To use a Warhammer example, the handful of female minis on the High Elf side were clothed, females on the wood elves was just as clothed or lack thereof as the males, but a female was pretty stripperific save for a handful of minies (namly 6th edd spearmen). But the casters looked dressed like they came out of a something closer to a harem out of Arabian Nights than a Land of Ice and Snow; the witch elves are berserkers with no armor, and the one noble model looked like an escaped slave girl compared compared to the male equivalents.
As for Vic, a after looking up his various court hearings, a number of them didn't go his way, so while we might have to wait and see, it looks like its leaning closer to rappy territory.
I don't see a rhyme to this.
In other news: Doc is back. He was let go from Twitch and apparently without a reason. So now he's on YouTube. Speculations continue. Will Twitch ever tell us?
Does anyone else get the feeling that dyueh is a bot? I'm wary of someone who has only 3 posts in a year and 2 of them contain links to websites while one of them is quoting themselves.