Sexy fantasy armor...

[Angelblaze]

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Don't pull the mobility card, if she really needs to move around quickly she can put on leather armor. I don't care if you're trying to be sneaky, that's no reason to leave your midriff bare.

I refer you to the list I have drawn up for you. All I had to do was look at TV Tropes for five minutes.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChainmailBikini

There's a lot of entries there.

And I didn't even look at these ones.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThongOfShielding

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Stripperiffic

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BareYourMidriff

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CleavageWindow

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Fanservice

I like how most of the listed examples are preety short, or also has equal sexual representation of armor.

Really, what I wanted are series where the men are all armored and ALL/MOST of the females have sexy armor. A DLC outfit or one off character doesn't count.

Also, exposed legs and shoulders/ arms don't fall under sexy armor.

I like how you apparently need 7 pages of rhetoric about a g-string.

But here,

have this:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1846467163/axe-princess

 

[SUPA FRANKY]

I'm on my laptop, so going for links will take too long, but I'll just name characters from the top of my head.

The Female Protagonist of Dragon Age 2
Meredith ( Dragon Age 2)
Aveline( Dragon AGe 2)
Ibuki (Street Fighter)
Rose ( Street Fighter)
Juri ( Street Fighter)
The Female Soldiers in Xcom
Faith ( Mirror's Edge)
Alex Vaynce ( Half Life 2)
The Female Characters of the Walking Dead Tell Tale Games
Transistor Protagonist
Many of the Female Armors in games like Wild Star, Star Wars, Guild Wars 2
The Female Cast of Star Wars: THe Old Republic
The Female Chaarcters of Skyrim
Lightning ( FF13)
Aqua ( kingdom Hearts)
Kairi ( kingdom Hearts)
Triss Merigold ( Witcher)
Current Lara Craft ( Though you can say for pre rebbot Lara, you wouldn't be wearing a burka when your running and jumping)
FemShep ( mass Effect)
Chun Li ( Street Fighter)
Lady ( Devil May Cry)
The Female Soldiers of Planetside 2
The Female SOldiers of Blacklight Retribution
The Protagonist of Assasin's Creed Liberation
many of the Trainers and Female Protagonist for Pokemon

See what I mean? I can barely think of a series where ONLY the female characters wear sexy armor ( If the males are fighting shirtless and wearing loincloths, then it's perfectly fine. I have a hard time finding the opposite)

 

[SUPA FRANKY]

Also, in reply to your Dragon Age Elf Sexy armor comment, I see no one complaining baout the Quanari in Dragon Age 2 fighting shirtless.

 

[SUPA FRANKY]

But fair enough, one sexy armor ( Not really sexy) in a game chocked fulled with equal protection. Just don't act like its an epedemic.

It's actually six, because every set of leather armor cuts out a good portion on the females to show some cleavage. The Dalish one just takes it up a notch and cuts out the midriff too. So, every female rogue gets to show off cleavage, without any real alternatives.

I never noticed. Most of the leather armors wear copy and paste in Origins.

 

[SUPA FRANKY]

I also like how some of your examples are optional outfits/characters you don't have to use.

How does that disprove anything? It is still sexy armor. You keep moving the goalposts. First by saying "there's barely any sexy armor" then "there's more non-sexy armor than sexy armor" then "Thighs and arms being bared don't count" and now "Optional armor doesn't count" you're dismissing a lot of my arguments with broad strokes, and I'm not finding them very convincing.

Also, why did you not quote me for this?

Sorry, I haven't used this forum in a while.

Anyway, let me rephrase. I want games wear only the female chaarcters wear sexy armor, and males don't. Because if everyone dresses liek that, how is that sexy? Do you consider the cast of 300, Pompei, Spartacus, Oliver Queen Training, The Werewolves of Twilight sexualized? No, so why would you think a woman would be if she was wearing the same get up?

I mean Disgea was one of your examples? What? The game wear preety much every demon boy goes aorund shirtless?

League of Legends? The game wear many of the male chaarcters go aorund shirtless?

 

[SUPA FRANKY]

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Don't pull the mobility card, if she really needs to move around quickly she can put on leather armor. I don't care if you're trying to be sneaky, that's no reason to leave your midriff bare.

I refer you to the list I have drawn up for you. All I had to do was look at TV Tropes for five minutes.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ChainmailBikini

There's a lot of entries there.

And I didn't even look at these ones.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ThongOfShielding

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Stripperiffic

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BareYourMidriff

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CleavageWindow

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Fanservice

I like how most of the listed examples are preety short, or also has equal sexual representation of armor.

Really, what I wanted are series where the men are all armored and ALL/MOST of the females have sexy armor. A DLC outfit or one off character doesn't count.

Also, exposed legs and shoulders/ arms don't fall under sexy armor.

I like how you apparently need 7 pages of rhetoric about a g-string.

But here,

have this:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1846467163/axe-princess

Too bad many of the examples are just retreads of the same examples, not to mention their attire is consistent to their character. Morrigan, a Succubus with all the powers of the Underworld is SHOWING CLEVAGE? Oh, but the males going around shirtless are fine I guess.

Also, obscure indie game doesn't really help your point. Everything has a niche. What I want are games were the MEN wear armor, and the females DON't. It's compeltely fine if everyone is shirtless and oiled.

 

[Erttheking]

I also like how some of your examples are optional outfits/characters you don't have to use.

How does that disprove anything? It is still sexy armor. You keep moving the goalposts. First by saying "there's barely any sexy armor" then "there's more non-sexy armor than sexy armor" then "Thighs and arms being bared don't count" and now "Optional armor doesn't count" you're dismissing a lot of my arguments with broad strokes, and I'm not finding them very convincing.

Also, why did you not quote me for this?

Sorry, I haven't used this forum in a while.

Anyway, let me rephrase. I want games wear only the female chaarcters wear sexy armor, and males don't. Because if everyone dresses liek that, how is that sexy? Do you consider the cast of 300, Pompei, Spartacus, Oliver Queen Training, The Werewolves of Twilight sexualized? No, so why would you think a woman would be if she was wearing the same get up?

I mean Disgea was one of your examples? What? The game wear preety much every demon boy goes aorund shirtless?

League of Legends? The game wear many of the male chaarcters go aorund shirtless?

Fair enough.

Here's the thing, why do you keep bringing movies into this? I thought we were talking about video games. And see here's the thing, there's a difference between a female sex fantasy. I don't seem to recall that many people talking about how sexy Leonidus is. I do however remember them talking about how sexy Jacob was in Twilight. There's a difference between the two because muscles in men can represent both power and sex appeal. It's hard to pin down exactly what makes one one and one the other, but you can usually tell by looking at it. Oliver in Green Arrow is indeed a sexy beast. Truth be told, I'd be more than happy for there to be more sexy shirtless men in fiction to balance out the females, but the scales are still too far tipped in one direction.

The men go shirtless in League? I can't seem to remember that many. Sure there's Lee Sin and Braum, but I draw a blank outside of that. And yeah there are a few skins for shirtless men, so fair enough.

 

[SUPA FRANKY]

I also like how some of your examples are optional outfits/characters you don't have to use.

How does that disprove anything? It is still sexy armor. You keep moving the goalposts. First by saying "there's barely any sexy armor" then "there's more non-sexy armor than sexy armor" then "Thighs and arms being bared don't count" and now "Optional armor doesn't count" you're dismissing a lot of my arguments with broad strokes, and I'm not finding them very convincing.

Also, why did you not quote me for this?

Sorry, I haven't used this forum in a while.

Anyway, let me rephrase. I want games wear only the female chaarcters wear sexy armor, and males don't. Because if everyone dresses liek that, how is that sexy? Do you consider the cast of 300, Pompei, Spartacus, Oliver Queen Training, The Werewolves of Twilight sexualized? No, so why would you think a woman would be if she was wearing the same get up?

I mean Disgea was one of your examples? What? The game wear preety much every demon boy goes aorund shirtless?

League of Legends? The game wear many of the male chaarcters go aorund shirtless?

Thanks

Yes,

Fair enough.

Here's the thing, why do you keep bringing movies into this? I thought we were talking about video games. And see here's the thing, there's a difference between a female sex fantasy. I don't seem to recall that many people talking about how sexy Leonidus is. I do however remember them talking about how sexy Jacob was in Twilight. There's a difference between the two because muscles in men can represent both power and sex appeal. It's hard to pin down exactly what makes one one and one the other, but you can usually tell by looking at it. Oliver in Green Arrow is indeed a sexy beast. Truth be told, I'd be more than happy for there to be more sexy shirtless men in fiction to balance out the females, but the scales are still too far tipped in one direction.

The men go shirtless in League? I can't seem to remember that many. Sure there's Lee Sin and Braum, but I draw a blank outside of that. And yeah there are a few skins for shirtless men, so fair enough.

Thanks, glad we could keep this civil. Just makes me mad when people exagerate this " SEXY ARMOR IS RAMPANT!". it exist, but not only do the series with them usually have the males dress similiarly, most of the games that has that as a selling point are too niche to be used as examples.

Also, the idealized biceps and six packs are sought after women. Just listen to some of the interviews the famele cast of Chris said about Chris Hemsworth's body. Just look at the people in the gyms killing themselves for that look. Because that look makes women ( and men!) go crazy.

It can't be too much of course, but all the rappers, Movie Stars, Super Heroes, etc take their shirt off for a reason.

 

[Aaron Sylvester]

A bunch of questions to those asking for internal consistency:
1) Would you fap to males wearing skimpy armor?
2) How many players of the game do you think will actually WANT to wear skimpy armour on their males (remember that the players are mostly male)?
3) Are you purely asking for internal consistency out of a selfish desperation to see equality no matter what the players actually want?
4) Do you think there are thousands/millions of female players out there looking to get easy titillation out of males wearing skimpy armour in videogames?
5) If so, where is their demand? Where is the supply? Where is the market? If the demand was so overwhelming then there would be an entire market of videogames catered just for them. Yet no such thing exists.

Fair enough.

Here's the thing, why do you keep bringing movies into this? I thought we were talking about video games. And see here's the thing, there's a difference between a female sex fantasy. I don't seem to recall that many people talking about how sexy Leonidus is. I do however remember them talking about how sexy Jacob was in Twilight. There's a difference between the two because muscles in men can represent both power and sex appeal. It's hard to pin down exactly what makes one one and one the other, but you can usually tell by looking at it. Oliver in Green Arrow is indeed a sexy beast. Truth be told, I'd be more than happy for there to be more sexy shirtless men in fiction to balance out the females, but the scales are still too far tipped in one direction.

The men go shirtless in League? I can't seem to remember that many. Sure there's Lee Sin and Braum, but I draw a blank outside of that. And yeah there are a few skins for shirtless men, so fair enough.

And thus we arrive at the root of this whole thing - the definition of sexy differs between males and females. Therefore everyone in this thread who is asking for "internal consistency" (consistency implying total equality) are a bit lost because they don't really know what they are asking for or WHY they are asking for it.
They purely want it out of an internal desperation to see ANY kind of equality even if it's just for the sake of equality...which is laughable.

"Females wearing skimpy armor? THEN THE MALES SHOULD WEAR SKIMPY ARMOR TOO. I DON'T CARE IF THERE IS ALMOST NO DEMAND FOR THAT, JUST DO IT FOR EQUALITY". From the developer and publisher perspective doing such a thing will make no sense considering what the majority of their playerbase comprises of, and the fact that sexy differs between male & female.

Beautiful females showing skin is a VERY easy sell for people who enjoy that stuff in their fantasy games, but giving shirtless males doesn't translate to "equality" because people either file it under male power fantasy (the joys of double standards) or simply don't find it sexy, or don't even consider it.

 

[SUPA FRANKY]

Ah, the male power fantasy. I really hate that excuse, because it's total bullshit. Why do most people want to be muscular ( barring athletes)? To either attract mates, look good for someone, etc.

 

[Aaron Sylvester]

Ah, the male power fantasy. I really hate that excuse, because it's total bullshit. Why do most people want to be muscular ( barring athletes)? To either attract mates, look good for someone, etc.

Don't forget looking good for yourself and countless health & fitness benefits.
I mean muscular within reasonable limits btw, not those "rooarrrr i can lift cars" muscles

 

[Frankster]

It seems like we're on the same page. In that case, you may want to check out Loren the Amazon Princess on steam. It goes for just that.

Yeah it seems our views are kinda more closely aligned then I thought, was initially under the impression you were against skimpy outfits on principle xP

I love Loren the Amazon Princess! I was bigging it up as an example of a good game that went through the steam greenlight process in another thread. I already owned it aswell as the expansion from the winter wolves site before it came out on steam Looking forward to the sequel!

 

[SUPA FRANKY]

Also, if dressed anyone would like more examples of sensibly dressed females

The SHin Megamei Tensei Series
The Female Cast of Star Ocean
Legend of Zelda Series
Sengoku Basara ( Yes, there are women with cleavage, but there are also men with their abs on full display.)
The SIlent Hill Series
The Resident Evil Series
Alice: Madness Returns
Portal
Many Fighting Games have armored females ( With both eye candy for the male and female)
Skullgirls Cast ( The designers were even female)
THe Female Chaarcters of Morrowind and Oblivion
Left 4 Dead Series
Darksiders
Costume Quest
Dungeons of Dredmore
Risen 2
Dark SOuls 1 and 2
Dragon's Dogma
Dota 2
Bioshock Infinite
Darksiders 2
Fallout Series

These are all wellknown games.

 

[Erttheking]

Ah, the male power fantasy. I really hate that excuse, because it's total bullshit. Why do most people want to be muscular ( barring athletes)? To either attract mates, look good for someone, etc.

Well, when you get down to it there's a difference between a man designed to be powerful and a man designed to be sexy.

Compare Kratos

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100727072252/godofwar/images/1/19/Kratos_rendering_concept.jpg

To the zesty man

http://www.themplsegotist.com/sites/www.themplsegotist.com/files/images/zesty_kitchen_aotw.jpg

Also, I can only speak for myself, but I want to be muscular because I want to be in shape.

 

[SUPA FRANKY]

Ah, the male power fantasy. I really hate that excuse, because it's total bullshit. Why do most people want to be muscular ( barring athletes)? To either attract mates, look good for someone, etc.

Don't forget looking good for yourself and countless health & fitness benefits.
I mean muscular within reasonable limits btw, not those "rooarrrr i can lift cars" muscles

Sure, I don't deny the health benefits, but that is most of the time not the reason. I'm sure many of the males in your and my life would give everything to look like Arnorld, The cast of Spartacus, Super Heroes.

hell, back to the power fantasy. WHy do most men want to be muscular? I mean they could easily make the characters skinny or obese. Just look at those linebackers, they are strong as fuck but don't look to preety. WOnder why men want the chiseled ab and defined chest.

 

[SUPA FRANKY]

Ah, the male power fantasy. I really hate that excuse, because it's total bullshit. Why do most people want to be muscular ( barring athletes)? To either attract mates, look good for someone, etc.

Well, when you get down to it there's a difference between a man designed to be powerful and a man designed to be sexy.

Compare Kratos

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100727072252/godofwar/images/1/19/Kratos_rendering_concept.jpg

To the zesty man

http://www.themplsegotist.com/sites/www.themplsegotist.com/files/images/zesty_kitchen_aotw.jpg

Also, I can only speak for myself, but I want to be muscular because I want to be in shape.

Eh, I don't see it. I know women/men would be throwing themselves at me if I looked like Kratos. Not saying there aren't health benefits, but why do many men feel insecure when the muscular action heroes take off their shirts to show off their muscles? Why do many women diet and excercise so excessively to hit that beauty ideal?

I get that RAWR HULK muscle definately isn't sexy, but that's rarely the case. Check out the cast of Magic Mike. Those guys had the same build as a Super Hero....wonder how much money that movie made...

 

[Erttheking]

Ah, the male power fantasy. I really hate that excuse, because it's total bullshit. Why do most people want to be muscular ( barring athletes)? To either attract mates, look good for someone, etc.

Well, when you get down to it there's a difference between a man designed to be powerful and a man designed to be sexy.

Compare Kratos

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100727072252/godofwar/images/1/19/Kratos_rendering_concept.jpg

To the zesty man

http://www.themplsegotist.com/sites/www.themplsegotist.com/files/images/zesty_kitchen_aotw.jpg

Also, I can only speak for myself, but I want to be muscular because I want to be in shape.

Eh, I don't see it. I know women/men would be throwing themselves at me if I looked like Kratos. Not saying there aren't health benefits, but why do many men feel insecure when the muscular action heroes take off their shirts to show off their muscles? Why do many women diet and excercise so excessively to hit that beauty ideal?

I get that RAWR HULK muscle definately isn't sexy, but that's rarely the case. Check out the cast of Magic Mike. Those guys had the same build as a Super Hero....wonder how much money that movie made...

It's less of how much muscle and more the attitude behind the muscle. Kratos is standing upright, scowl on his face, looking like he's three seconds away from caving someone's skull in.

Zesty guy is sitting in a tantalizing position with a smile on his face and a "Come hither" look who looks like he's three seconds away form having sex.

Also fair enough, I was just speaking from personal experience.

 

[Animyr]

One example I can think of; I think it's justified to object to, for instance, Ashley's sexualized character design in ME3. It doesn't fit the universe's style or her personality or her occupation as a front-line soldier or previous portrayals of all three. Miranda, by contrast, has a confident attitude in regards to sexuality, a deliberately cultivated femme fatale aspect to both her personality and her character design, and isn't a front line soldier, so I don't have much of an issue with a way she's dressed since it has enough situational justification to seem idiosyncratic to her character, rather then a fashion template for her entire gender.

That's the key; I wouldn't really mind sexual armor and such if it wasn't so ubiquitous, and so often present regardless of proper context, that comes to be expected, even demanded regardless of the situation. Stereotypes by definition encourage us to expect something by default that we shouldn't, and I don't think titillation should be something we expect from an entire gender, be it consciously or unconsciously, out the gate.

 

[Aaron Sylvester]

So, a question for the person who likes complaining about the male power fantasy but also likes going on and on about how men are the only demographic that matters to video games:

I think you quoted the wrong person because nowhere have I said men are the only demographic to video games. I only majorities and minorities, market and demand.

Do you think whatever male character you think is a sex fantasy for women was made that way for the female members of the audience that you don't even think they consider, or for the male audience members? I'm having a hard time reconciling the position that developers/publishers don't care about appealing to women and the position that there's all these male characters that were made to be appealing to women instead of men.

They obviously make it for the males.

Appealing to just women by means of titillation (i.e. present them with sexy males in revealing armor) is unprofitable because the demand for such a thing is almost non-existent. There are a few examples sitting in Japan (I think) but outside that nothing mainstream.

Sure a dev could try to make such a game purely for giggles, but ultimately it would have very few players because females in general just aren't interested in such a thing.
Meanwhile the typical erotic flash browser game catered to males gets TONS of viewers and there are so many of those types of games that it's literally impossible to count them all. Because they are driven by demand.

Here's something anyone can easily relate to - count the number of female strip clubs compared to the number of male strip clubs. I guarantee you that the former out-numbers the latter by orders of magnitude.

 

[Drummodino]

OT: I don't have a problem with unrealistic armour designs, as long as the fit the setting and actually look good. For example:

Spoiler

This is obviously impractical, but does it look good and fit the setting (Kill la Kill)? Hell yea it does.

Hell naw it doesn't. In fact, that outfit is the sole reason I have yet to watch the series. I don't care how Gurren-Lagann-AWESOME it is, that right there is just stupid.

And no, I didn't have a problem with Yoko's outfit. Skimpy as it was it was still something people have actually worn.

Trust me, it fits the setting. I'd recommend giving the series a shot, at least watch the first seven episodes or so. You might be pleasantly surprised